gtp and max
Originally Posted by vipermike2002
Well thats your opinion. But I think a BMW 318 is a piece of crap, why didnt you buy a real BMW instead of that 17 second 4-banger.
Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
On the otehr hand, I've seen many GTP's in the 14's, just now at 14.1, but I do believe it, I too have a story.
My friend had a GT L36, dropped a GTP L67 engine in there, but the blower seemed to be causing it to lose to my car, 95 SE. A few weeks later he got a blower off a Regal GS, and well after we changed them out, he made my 95 look silly.
IMHO it think the nissan motor are, and have always been one of the strongest motor out. As far as the GTP, they are powerful cars and i do believe that these cars car run quick times. I still not sure a STOCK GTP can run 14.1. I have seen quarter mile times get messed up at a track. Does this guy have a time slip that says 14.1, and if so did he back his time up with anoherlow 14 sec pass.
And why don't we discuss a real race:
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
And why don't we discuss a real race:
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
Originally Posted by Jay_pee99
And why don't we discuss a real race:
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
www.gp-owners.com check the timeslips section, search that site if you are curious to see what they have been able to run in the past.
Originally Posted by Imagetusucka
Personally, i think your little calculations are wrong,how about this, you can spend all the time you want playing with your calculations but i know for a fact, that the car shifts at around these points, the car Shifts at 5600 RPM, and leaves first gear at about 48 WOT it shifts out of second at around 85 Mph, once again at 5600, so it is not as dramatic as Jcy states, he was a littleoff on the scond gear, and 3 mph on first.
Tire Radius 225/60R16's (non Comp-G) .60 X 225=135mm. 135mm=5.31inches(mm->inch conversion=mm X .0394=inch)+1/2 of 16 (rim size)=13.31
Final Gear Ratio 2.92 (1st gear) X 2.93 (Final Drive)
MPH=(5,600rpms X 13.31)/(8.5556 X 168)
MPH=74536/1437.3408
1st gear MPH=51.86@5,600rpms
=9.26mph/1,000rpmsUnless I got the wrong equation
Originally Posted by M44droptop
this guy is a moran A gtp is a piece of crap they dont go near that fast even though they make power they still weight 4000 pounds, that guy is talking out of his as$
Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
Wow your first two post and you're trying to start a flame war. No ones going to take you seriously because
A: Your first post was a flame towards another Member
B: Your profile says you drive a 17 second Bimmer
It doesn't matter if you think a 3,400lbs GTP sucks, its still a quick car.
A: Your first post was a flame towards another Member
B: Your profile says you drive a 17 second Bimmer
It doesn't matter if you think a 3,400lbs GTP sucks, its still a quick car.
Originally Posted by vipermike2002
Well thats your opinion. But I think a BMW 318 is a piece of crap, why didnt you buy a real BMW instead of that 17 second 4-banger.
Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
ok sorry I called it a piece a of crap I just get angry sometimes and a gtp isnt really that bad of a car and they are fast but if you think a bmw is crap then what whatever, and its just as much a bmw as a m3 in the fact that is handles better due to weight distribution and just being lighter, so you can just think what you want.
Originally Posted by M44droptop
in the fact that is handles better due to weight distribution and just being lighter, so you can just think what you want.
The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
Originally Posted by vipermike2002
I like BMW's. I wouldnt mind owning a E36 M3 if I could ever find out around here. But I dont like some of there drivers. "some" BMW drivers think they own the road, switching lanes with no signal, speeding, and cutting people off. They think because they drive a BMW they are somehow better than me. Yeah you guys might say people in GTP's or people in ANY car drive like *******s but I think its more the people who drive expensive cars that drive.
Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
A 318iC weighs similar if not slightly more than an M3. Not only that, a 318iC's has less structural integrity without that B and C-pillar. Add to that, the suspension is softer and it has less contact patch on the ground and with the top down, is rear weight biased.
The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
A 318iC weighs similar if not slightly more than an M3. Not only that, a 318iC's has less structural integrity without that B and C-pillar. Add to that, the suspension is softer and it has less contact patch on the ground and with the top down, is rear weight biased.
The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
I saw a magazine that had a handling shoot out between the NSX, Corvette, Viper, 911...and the M3 won! This was from I believe 97 or 98, and the M3 they used for the test was a coupe.
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