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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vipermike2002
Well thats your opinion. But I think a BMW 318 is a piece of crap, why didnt you buy a real BMW instead of that 17 second 4-banger.

Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
Don't pay any attention where it's not deserved.


On the otehr hand, I've seen many GTP's in the 14's, just now at 14.1, but I do believe it, I too have a story.

My friend had a GT L36, dropped a GTP L67 engine in there, but the blower seemed to be causing it to lose to my car, 95 SE. A few weeks later he got a blower off a Regal GS, and well after we changed them out, he made my 95 look silly.
Old Jan 12, 2005 | 05:41 PM
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IMHO it think the nissan motor are, and have always been one of the strongest motor out. As far as the GTP, they are powerful cars and i do believe that these cars car run quick times. I still not sure a STOCK GTP can run 14.1. I have seen quarter mile times get messed up at a track. Does this guy have a time slip that says 14.1, and if so did he back his time up with anoherlow 14 sec pass.
And why don't we discuss a real race:
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
Old Jan 12, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay_pee99
And why don't we discuss a real race:
1985 max 5speed v.s. 99 pontiac GT stock for stock
'the real race' in this topic was a 04 GTP Vs. a 5.5 gen Max, but someone thought it would be nice to mention the VQ30DE maxima.

www.gp-owners.com check the timeslips section, search that site if you are curious to see what they have been able to run in the past.
Old Jan 12, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagetusucka
Personally, i think your little calculations are wrong,how about this, you can spend all the time you want playing with your calculations but i know for a fact, that the car shifts at around these points, the car Shifts at 5600 RPM, and leaves first gear at about 48 WOT it shifts out of second at around 85 Mph, once again at 5600, so it is not as dramatic as Jcy states, he was a littleoff on the scond gear, and 3 mph on first.
MPH=(engine RPM X Tire Radius)/(Final Gear Ratio X 168)

Tire Radius 225/60R16's (non Comp-G) .60 X 225=135mm. 135mm=5.31inches(mm->inch conversion=mm X .0394=inch)+1/2 of 16 (rim size)=13.31

Final Gear Ratio 2.92 (1st gear) X 2.93 (Final Drive)

MPH=(5,600rpms X 13.31)/(8.5556 X 168)

MPH=74536/1437.3408

1st gear MPH=51.86@5,600rpms =9.26mph/1,000rpms

Unless I got the wrong equation
Old Jan 12, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by M44droptop
this guy is a moran A gtp is a piece of crap they dont go near that fast even though they make power they still weight 4000 pounds, that guy is talking out of his as$
Why even make a post like this? I understand disagreements, but no need to insult or degrade anyone. This is a forum, and a very nice one, for discussion, not to hide behind the computer and throw insults.
Old Jan 13, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
Wow your first two post and you're trying to start a flame war. No ones going to take you seriously because

A: Your first post was a flame towards another Member
B: Your profile says you drive a 17 second Bimmer

It doesn't matter if you think a 3,400lbs GTP sucks, its still a quick car.
your right about bombing on him and I apologise but I never said my car was faster .
Old Jan 13, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vipermike2002
Well thats your opinion. But I think a BMW 318 is a piece of crap, why didnt you buy a real BMW instead of that 17 second 4-banger.

Why does everyone think GTP's dont run 14's stock? I have herd numbers from 14.1-15.3 bone stock stock for a GTP. Granted the ones that run low 14's have very good drivers and the track conditions must have been perfect and that ones that ran 15's probably didnt know how to drive there car yet. And a Grand Prix isnt that heavy its only about 3400 pounds.
ok sorry I called it a piece a of crap I just get angry sometimes and a gtp isnt really that bad of a car and they are fast but if you think a bmw is crap then what whatever, and its just as much a bmw as a m3 in the fact that is handles better due to weight distribution and just being lighter, so you can just think what you want.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 05:35 AM
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ok sorry I called it a piece a of crap I just get angry sometimes and a gtp isnt really that bad of a car and they are fast but if you think a bmw is crap then what whatever, and its just as much a bmw as a m3 in the fact that is handles better due to weight distribution and just being lighter, so you can just think what you want.
I like BMW's. I wouldnt mind owning a E36 M3 if I could ever find out around here. But I dont like some of there drivers. "some" BMW drivers think they own the road, switching lanes with no signal, speeding, and cutting people off. They think because they drive a BMW they are somehow better than me. Yeah you guys might say people in GTP's or people in ANY car drive like *******s but I think its more the people who drive expensive cars that drive.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by M44droptop
in the fact that is handles better due to weight distribution and just being lighter, so you can just think what you want.
A 318iC weighs similar if not slightly more than an M3. Not only that, a 318iC's has less structural integrity without that B and C-pillar. Add to that, the suspension is softer and it has less contact patch on the ground and with the top down, is rear weight biased.

The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by vipermike2002
I like BMW's. I wouldnt mind owning a E36 M3 if I could ever find out around here. But I dont like some of there drivers. "some" BMW drivers think they own the road, switching lanes with no signal, speeding, and cutting people off. They think because they drive a BMW they are somehow better than me. Yeah you guys might say people in GTP's or people in ANY car drive like *******s but I think its more the people who drive expensive cars that drive.
I know what your talking about there are always going to be people like that and yeah they are really hard to find mine was bought out of LA at a auction.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
A 318iC weighs similar if not slightly more than an M3. Not only that, a 318iC's has less structural integrity without that B and C-pillar. Add to that, the suspension is softer and it has less contact patch on the ground and with the top down, is rear weight biased.

The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
yeah I am kind of cripled with the convertible but because of the four banger is not as tall so it sits way lower than the six and with the soft top my center of gravity is way lower, with the right suspension and body stiffening also some wider rims and tires it should handle well.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreamingVE
A 318iC weighs similar if not slightly more than an M3. Not only that, a 318iC's has less structural integrity without that B and C-pillar. Add to that, the suspension is softer and it has less contact patch on the ground and with the top down, is rear weight biased.

The best handling E36 in stock form is the 1997-1998 M3 sedan. It weighs less than the coupe and convertible, has the same tires, and has a more solid foundation due to having a B-pillar. But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.
Wow, I always thought the coupes weighed less...well, I still want the coupe anyway! I like the E36 M3 more than the E46. Don't get me wrong, the E46 looks beautiful, but it lost some soul the E36 had. I would love to own an E36 M3, turbocharged of course I saw a magazine that had a handling shoot out between the NSX, Corvette, Viper, 911...and the M3 won! This was from I believe 97 or 98, and the M3 they used for the test was a coupe.
Old Jan 14, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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But if we want to go into special limited editions, then it would be the 1995 M3 lightweight.[/QUOTE]

yeah the 95 M3 lightweight is really nice but starting in 96 they changed the 3.0 to a 3.2 which has more power.
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