didn't the Dodge Spirit R/T run mid 14's? faster than the mustangs of its day!

 

I just looked up some times and found a few guys saying they ran 14.0s @ 97-98 totally stock. They had 225hp 225tq if i remember correctly, not sure how heavy they are. Probably around 4th gen weight I'd guess.

 

that is sick. I'm surprised they aren't more popular. I've been to some of their forums and there are a couple die hard fans that still modify them but I would think they would be just as popular as 1st gen DSMs!

 

There were only 1399 of them made though so that explains much of it. That and they were notoriously unreliable I've read, cracked heads were basically expected I think lol.

 

I have beat a 05 tl from a stop three times, err lights in a row.

How's kzoo neal. This is woody from GR, I used to own team toilet's red hatch.

 

Maxima's will have a chance with auto 3rd gen TL's, but the 6-speeds unless you have some decent mods or the driver is ****ty, you don't have a chance in hell. Those things pull like a ***** once they're out of the hole.

 

Seeing as how I started this whole debate I think its important that I tell you my grandma bought the '06 Maxima SE!!!!!! I kinda pushed her (extremely hard) into it, but we also test drove the new 5-speed TL. It was very close, off the line I felt like the Maxima won, but out on the highway then going WOT the TL won. So I guess its all a trade off but the max took the win.

 

You sir, don't have a clue what you are talking about. Need I start listing 1/4 mile times again? Please do some more research before you post more misinformation.

 

he's backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...

 

Now, their right though about the TL's horsepower ratings, im not sure exactly but didnt they re-do the HP of the new TL with the SAE tests, the new tests that take manufacturer "bumping" out of it and said its now 258 hp so basically its 258 all along... so with that and it being a 3.2 so it has 230-something torque against a 3.5 with 255/246 STOCK im gonna go with the maxima. at least off the line. Also, they DID make the new TL in 6 speed right or just auto? I'm just trying to see the big issue here, a 6 spd/auto TL vs. a 6 spd 5.5 gen/6th gen or auto 6th gen... 5.5 gen maxima should come out on top if the trannies are the same in the race, 6th gen im not sure about their weight in comparisonto the TL.

 

Good point.

I don't believe that's what the true rating is.

Yes they did and still do come in 6MT

Simply said the TL has better top end horsepower.

TL and A34 are similar in weight.

 

6spd vs 6spd its the max, but with auto vs auto id take the TL. also, did anybody meantion the dodge stealth vr4 as a fast fwd? im pretty sure those are fwd.

 

They're AWD. The non-turbo are FWD, but as.s slow.

Even though there's not much of a difference, thought I'd point it out to you.

3000GT VR4 and Dodge Stealth R/T.. Never was a Stealth VR4.

 

What about the grand am GT/olds cutlass W41 package from the early 90's with that 2.3 DOHC HO quad 4 that put out 190HP stock with a 5 speed? Or the monte carlo Z34 with the 3.4 DOHC, that mighta been heavy though. How about daytona shelby 2.5 turbo(FWD??) mazda 323 GT turbo, hmm cant think of any others

 

3000gt, thats what i meant. didnt know they came in awd. that makes the shape of the car make a lot more sense than the fwd version

 

Yup, my friend was the one that ran a 14.0@99mph in his 04TL. He's on the Acurazine boards.
Since then he has modded the car: INJEN, Pulley, straight pipes, and Comptech Exhaust. That thing is nothing to mess around with. We've done a couple of friendly runs, I btw have an AUTO 03 Max(Intake and Headers). At the time we did the runs, he had just the intake and exhaust. And from 50-110 he had me by 1.5-2cars. Hope this sheds some light on this on-going debate.

 

Isn't the new Golf GTI R32 the fastest FWD production car? Something craxy like 280bhp I think...gosh.

5.5s 0-100kph / 14.0s 1/4 Mile / 250kph Top Speed...not that I like these hyped-up German s***-boxes but they are fast...and they look like

 

The GTI R32 is all wheel drive 250hp, and a porky 3500lbs (at least in the USA they are, not sure what they are like in other parts of the world)... and SRT-4 is faster than it is anyhow.

Woody- sup man I just noticed you posted in this thread. I didn't know you had a maxima these days.


The quad 4 HO GM cars were OK, but nothing compared to the SRT4, etc. They were like 4th gen max quick if that, but not in the realm of the fastest by any means. Mazda 323 GTX was AWD, I don't think there was a FWD Turbo 323. There was a 626 turbo, MX6 GT, and Probe GT which were all turbo 2.2L FWD, and only mid-low 15s at absolute best (145hp 190ft-lb, I had a couple.)

I don't think they had a Z34 monte carlo with the 3.4 DOHC, they had a Z34 lumina with the 3.4 DOHC. That motor sucked, the car was heavy, and it was slow compared to the fastest FWD cars.

The few shelby daytonas with the 225hp turbo fall under the category of the Spirit RT mentioned earlier, same motor.

 

Yes the Monte Z34 also got the 3.4L DOHC V6 in 95 & 96. I know, I've got a '96 in my driveway. And they didn't "SUCK" as you put it, they simply had some issues. They were GM's first foreray into an all aluminum mass production engine that they themselves produced (not subletted to someone else). A lot of what they learned from that excercise was purposely done so they applied all the correct stuff to the LSx motors. I've also had three others (a Lumina, Grand Prix and Cutlass) with the dreaded "X" motor and when I worked in a Chevy service department, I got all the "X" motored cars given to me to service. In 1997 they replaced all 3.4L DOHC V6's with the 3.8L Series 3800 V6. I'll explain why in a second.

To preface, let me say, in it's day there were few FWD cars on the road that could keep up with them, let alone anything in it's direct class domestic or foreign. The quickest of my quar*** of "X" motored cars was my 1995 Lumina LS with it. One morning at 3am I surprised some cocky mustang GT owner with a door to door 135mph blast down the Eisenhower Expressway. When an "X" motor is running 100%, they are a mechanical symphony, have absurdly sharp throttle response and have a powerband very similar to an LS1. Down low, they were a little tepid (the lesser powered 3.8 was actually stronger down low), but from 4,500 - 6,000 rpm, this motor was an absolute animal as one would expect from a 4 cammer.

The engine died though because 1) they were noisy (I thought they sounded great personally) and had a patchy service hustory. 2) They were about 50/50 in terms of reliable vs. having to be in for service all the time. My Lumina I spoke about never had a problem. Conversely that Monte I have in my driveway has been a thorn in my ****. It's actually burning oil now (rings) but at 130,000 miles on it which is about 60,000 miles past the average life expectancy of the engine. And 3) They were a nightmare to work on. I know, I got them all! Book times for this engine were almost double that of a series 3800 which means GM was paying more labor than normal and doing it more frequently due to their spotty record. In order to replace an alternator it required the dropping of the front subframe/engine cradle. When doing A/C on one, I preemptively replaced the alternator while I was down there as it was a better safe than sorry scenario. To replace the plugs on the backside required relocation of the coil mount on 96's and removal of the upper intake plenum. At least on the 96's, GM heard enough complaints and made the intake tube to the upper plenum removable making the plenum itself easier to remove. 95 and earlier versions were a pain in the a... All these servicability issues though weren't faulty design. It simple was a matter of a large top end motor (in terms of dimensions) shoehorned into an already cramped engine compartment.

But to answer your comment about Monte, yes, they did come with the 3.4L "X" motor as we call it.

Oh, and your comment about the car being heavy? All of them are about 100 pounds lighter than my GTP. Learn a little about the engine itself before saying "it sucked!" There also wasn't any Maxima in 1995 with that could run with it, so it was far from slow. My best time with the Lumina was 14.2. @ 97 mph (if I recall correctly). I never ran across a Maxima at the drag strip that ran anywhere near that in it's day. Now in 2006, that would be a different story. But 11 years ago, that simply wasn't the case.

As to fast FWD (to the original poster), my GTP runs 13.8's on 12psi of boost. And of course, few here will run with a new Grand Prix GXP! The current gen Maxima is quick, but it doesn't hold a candle against the LS4 in terms of straight line acceleration off the showroom floor.

 

You talked a lot of fact and fiction...and bragged quite a bit...... Let's run... My automatic V6 and yours .....

 

Your definition of sucking differs from mine. To me, any engine that can be described as you just described it above pretty much sucks. "patchy service history, 50/50 in terms of reliability, burning oil at 130k miles which is 60k past their average life expectancy" (70k mile life expectancy wtf, how does that not suck lol, I drive that much in two years).

Heavy? 100lbs lighter than a 3400lb GTP does not make it a light car. That's still a good 200-400lbs heavier than a 4th or 5th gen maxima.

Slow? Even modded at 14.2 @ 97 that's still that's still quite a bit slower than the quickest stock FWD cars out there (the GXP and the SRT-4), so it falls into the relatively slow category as well. Stock the autos were good for low to mid 15s at best, and the 5spds might JUST be able to scratch 14s. Even 1995 maximas were quicker than that so you are wrong there, and they aren't even close to the fastest stock FWD cars ever.

 

Well the original thread was "one of" fastest FWD factory cars, so of course a lot of cars who had more power than they needed, or than their competitors, are gonna get thrown out there just because they ran times worth mentioning- 14.2 in a lumina?? i didnt know they could do that! the GXP and Neon, sorry SRT-4 are gonna stand out b/c they run some of the best from factory. Both of you guys are right in a way, talking about engine-wise what sucks and what doesnt. I learned some things about the 3.4 dohc that i didnt know, all i had heard up til now was that it was real problematic, just not why, but to some people that can be because of all the labor to do repairs(and the 60,000 mile expectancy, whats up with that)? Its the same as some ignorant person looking down on the VQ because it has expensive "coil-on-plug" or saying its junk because of the MAF sensor issues some of us have, they simply dont know what really goes into it.

GM's engines and technology have always been built in a different kind of way, some would say favoring "old technology" but if you really read about it, thats not the case, the L67 3800 series III s/c has always had 280 ft/lb from a cam in block pushrod design, the 04-05 GTP comp G prix beat the maxima(among other fast cars) in a bunch of tests they ran, including quarter mile with 29 mpg to boot. As far as repair goes, then yeah you guys have got it there- ever tried to change the serpentine belt on a 3400? Gotta remove a motor mount, or the back plugs on one? Their hard enough to get to and thats a pushrod engine too, i wonder how bad it was on the 3.4 twincam. And the LIM gasket leaks? that gasket on 3x00 60 deg. v6 usually went before any other normal maintenance item on the car. Overall i still like them, but as far as the fastest factory car goes, have we got it figured out? What exactly does the SRT4 run? I know the GXP is like 13.7 correct?

 

2006 Chevy Monte Carlo SS 303hp V8

Low 14's/High 13's stock

 

Same thing as the Grand prix GXP and Impala SS, its the LS4

 

those small gay little dodge iroc r/t's ran a mid 14 in the early 90's

 

I'll take a 02-03 TL-S over the 04 TL any day. The older J32 motor they had responded VERY well to headers and intakes. Sure the old TLs have tranny issues but aside from that those cars run very strong.

Since I work at Acura as a tech I get to drive the wheels off the new TLs for all kinds of squeaks n rattles. Friend of mine at work and I lined up my Max vs a 6spd TL and we ran our "almost 1/4" straight behind our shop, at the end I was good 2 cars ahead of the TL. My car is far from stock, and has 152ish K miles on it.

As for the Aspec being faster..... just a better driver. The Aspec kit adds some heavier 18" wheels, but better tires, body kit, shocks and springs- lowers about .5" and thats it ! AUTO Aspecs get more aggressive brake pads on the front, where the 6spd keeps its stock Brembo pads. There is no extra power from this dealer installed kit.

Fastest NA 4 bangers out there now- RSX Type S with bolt on regularly runs low 13s with 100+MPH traps. Few tricks here and there and you can hit 250-260WHP with some IPS cams, HonDATA and select bolt ons with otherwise stock internally engine that is still a 2.0L.

 

I know its not the fastest but what about an Eclipse GS-T. those are pretty quick.

 

What year because I thought those were AWD.

 

gsx = awd gst = front.

I do remember that motor trend quoted when they tested the current body style altima 3.5 with the 5 speed transmission when they first came out, that it was the fastest FWD car they've ever tested.

As far as tl's being faster then maximas. 6th gen auto vs 05 tl auto 6th gen would win because of torque. Highway theyll win.
there is even someone on this forum who has raced one with his auto 6th gen off the line and said it wasnt even a race.

I did race ( on my uncles property upstate so its legal -=p) an 05 tl auto, with my 95 eldorado etc (beast) from a stop. He was at my rear quarter till 90 which then his car pulled on me to where i was at his back bumper. Never got to race my eldo vs any 6th gens though. 300 hp and 295 lbs of torque, car was a luxury monster.

 

[QUOTE=BlackBIRDVQ]I'll take a 02-03 TL-S over the 04 TL any day. The older J32 motor they had responded VERY well to headers and intakes. Sure the old TLs have tranny issues but aside from that those cars run very strong.

Since I work at Acura as a tech I get to drive the wheels off the new TLs for all kinds of squeaks n rattles. Friend of mine at work and I lined up my Max vs a 6spd TL and we ran our "almost 1/4" straight behind our shop, at the end I was good 2 cars ahead of the TL. My car is far from stock, and has 152ish K miles on it.



Well, I have diff thoughts, I am a technician as well drive more than your acuras, hondas ect ect. I drive ever car that comes into the door. 02-03 TL type S is a great car but 04 with only A-spec kit looks way better. Yes the 04 TL's have rattle issuse and everything above the sky. Have you driven their MT 6 speed. Diff world compaired to the auto's. Comptech makes exhaust, intake and a supercharger for that car. Just slapping on a superchager your putting 300+ hp to the ground. Pretty impressive if you ask me. exhaust, headers and a supercharger can make the new TL possibly a very high 12 sec car. The slips ive seen are mid 13's with a supercharger and suspension mods.

 

comparing similar year models what would win in a race a 02-03 tl-s or a 02-03 maxima auto. id like to go find one and race but i havent been able to find any that are willing to and theres none at the track..

 

I hate to hijack this thread....anyone know what a 2000 5 spd SE runs in the quarter mile stock? I'm drag racing it for the first time this Friday and I just wanted to see what I might expect.

 

good idea, atleast this way i can pretend my car is faster then most.

 

your grandma must be cool if she lets u race her car...

 

not to be off subject, but does anyone know where there is a track in western Wa. that doesn't require a roll cage???

 

has anyone in a 02-03 se auto raced an 02-03 tl-s? i havent found any still that will play.

 

Since the begining of this thread I was thinking about Volvos. The S70 is quite fast http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/s70.html the T5 models are turbo 5 cylenders. I always liked the 850R. To bad I know jack about Volvos.

 

My friends RSX-Type S, gets Mid 14's I believe stock, However funny thing is... When he went to test it out, He must of not shifted fast enough and he got a 15.5 run. lol

 

Also, Are we talking just new production cars? Or other FWD cars that are quick?

 

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