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My Max Ain't A Rocket, but 13.56 Ain't Bad....

Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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My Max Ain't A Rocket, but 13.56 Ain't Bad....

I was able to get to KCIR last night and get some track-time with the virgin 23/8.5/15 M&Hs mounted on 15x8 alloy wheels. I got four runs in, and finally figured out a working combination of tire pressure and burnout that worked OK.

R/T=......-.011
60'=.......2.045
330=......5.661
1/8=......8.715
MPH=.....80.40
1000=....11.351
1/4=......13.565
MPH=.....101.37
Tire.Press=.....17lbs

Best R/Ts of 4 runs were .031 and .097. Best MPH was 103.18. On the 4th run, I was messin' with a guy in a camaro - I let him leave first and ran him down - a 13.744 to his 14.354. Just like PINKS, eh? Fun, anyway. You can't take this sport too seriously....

The 60's were 2.132, 2.102, 2.045 and 2.093...

The tires seem to like a hard burnout and less than 20lbs of air. I didn't get to try different launches - just brought the engine up to 2700 and went WOT and sprayed the 50-shot at launch, then hit the 75-shot whenever.

The 13.565 happened when I did the above and sprayed the 75-shot while in first gear, with 17lbs of air. Obviously, more to learn here. It's fun having people come up and ask "how did you do that?"

I did talk to one guy that had built (and later sold) a '92 max w/turbo. He claimed a low 13-sec ET. ( If you see this, IM me!). Maybe he can help me turbo my car..... His buds had a friend who was looking to mod a Maxima, so they pumped me about my car - especially the MEVI. I recommended the *.org as the font of all Maxima wisdom....
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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hey nice runs dude. what do you think can be done to lower ur 60'? u think shorter tires 22" (m/t) would helpt a bit?
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hey nice runs dude. what do you think can be done to lower ur 60'? u think shorter tires 22" (m/t) would helpt a bit?

Funny - no, the 23" are appropriate for the car - they put 8 1/2" of rubber on the ground, with a full 8" rim. I just have to figure out how to get-er-done. The launch on a 2800-stall torque converter, the M&Hs, spraying two stages of nitrous and burnouts done jest-right is going to take practice, and one-change-at-a-time testing. The slicks are very stable now, burn-outs are really smoky, and the tires impressed the sh*t out of the tech-in guy. At least he wanted me to have the required-for-11.5sec-and-under-ETs-flameproof-jacket on before I ran. I told him that if having the jacket would guarantee the times, I'd buy one now!

Now the late-model vette that was spraying two NX nitrous stages last night was doing fine for himself, at least he created LOTS of smoke - no times visible while I was waiting in line.

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Nice runs. If you can lower those 60's a bit the times will only improve...

It's always fun having people come up asking about the car isn't it!
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Nice runs. If you can lower those 60's a bit the times will only improve...

It's always fun having people come up asking about the car isn't it!
Yup - it's really the color, right ??
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Im still a noob and you have given me alot of advice n dont want to offend u or anything, but with slicks and spraying out of the hole shouldnt you be in 1.8ish 60' ? thats what jime has done with same setup but with the stock TC, i think the same slicks and 50shot out the hole. i kno u can get into 12's.

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perhaps the mevi is slowing your 60' down?
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Im still a noob and you have given me alot of advice n dont want to offend u or anything, but with slicks and spraying out of the hole shouldnt you be in 1.8ish 60' ? thats what jime has done with same setup but with the stock TC, i think the same slicks and 50shot out the hole. i kno u can get into 12's.

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perhaps the mevi is slowing your 60' down?
There are other factors as well... weight being a big one...
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Yup - it's really the color, right ??
Must be... lol
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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oh lol thats right. grey99max had told me he goes in full trim. even with spare.
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Hey very nice times man. They are much better than your previous ones. Congrats.
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oh lol thats right. grey99max had told me he goes in full trim. even with spare.

Try 3300 lbs track-weight..... I'm not stripping my car for the track - I went to KCIR last night exactly as I went to Maxus, except for the slicks, (and you can't compare cars based on published mods) ......
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Im still a noob and you have given me alot of advice n dont want to offend u or anything, but with slicks and spraying out of the hole shouldnt you be in 1.8ish 60' ? thats what jime has done with same setup but with the stock TC, i think the same slicks and 50shot out the hole. i kno u can get into 12's.

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perhaps the mevi is slowing your 60' down?
First you get the parts, then you learn to use them...
Old Jun 19, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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Launching 6th gen auto

Any 'tricks'? first 4dr auto... been shifting all my life, feelin' trapped! But, Im sure theres a tech. that works best.

Apprec. any info
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nice runs. if i could've cut those 60' times when i sprayed i would've been real low 13's. I think I need to pick up another nitrous kit.


nice runs man.
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Any 'tricks'? first 4dr auto... been shifting all my life, feelin' trapped! But, Im sure theres a tech. that works best.

Apprec. any info
With the stock engine and transmission, when you stage, hold the brake and bring up the RPMs to 1000 - when the last yellow shows, let off the brake and roll into the throttle over a second or so. Don't spin. Once it's floored, leave it there. Do the DR mod on your tranny.

Repeat this with different stall RPMs and how fast you open the throttle - you'll find the combination that works the best for you. Better tires = better 60'.

Practice, change one thing, practice. You might be pleasantly surprised about how much quicker you are once you find your sweet-spot...
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nice runs. if i could've cut those 60' times when i sprayed i would've been real low 13's. I think I need to pick up another nitrous kit.


nice runs man.
I dunno -after looking over your latest times, which are outstanding for N/A, if you sprayed in the upper gears, you would reach the mid-13s for sure. With stickier slicks, heaven help us all!

I'm going out again Wednesday to work on launching with my M&Hs. I still don't have the "perfect launch" figured out - but I do have R/T pretty well nailed..

Headers and a 70mm TB are next, I think... I can move out pretty quick in the first two gears, but I don't have the HP for the top end, yet.
I wonder sometimes how well the car would run w/5spd ???
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I dunno -after looking over your latest times, which are outstanding for N/A, if you sprayed in the upper gears, you would reach the mid-13s for sure. With stickier slicks, heaven help us all!

I'm going out again Wednesday to work on launching with my M&Hs. I still don't have the "perfect launch" figured out - but I do have R/T pretty well nailed..

Headers and a 70mm TB are next, I think... I can move out pretty quick in the first two gears, but I don't have the HP for the top end, yet.
I wonder sometimes how well the car would run w/5spd ???

My car has already been a best of a 13.59 @ 104.26 mph w/ a 75-shot and that was with the stock intake manifold and ECU. That was run on a set of 225/50/15 BFGoodrich Drag Radials on Millenia wheels with a 2.21 short time. I didn't spray until after i passed the tree which still resulted in wheelspin through the rest of 1st and some of 2nd gear. I plan on picking up another kit real soon, like next week soon. lol. I'll probably just throw another 75 shot on there but I'll be running it with the JWT ECU and the '00 vi just to see how it does.

I got a set of 26" Hoosier QTPs i've been using and ran those N/A times with but i think i might try and find a set of 24.5" tall M&H slicks to use.

i got more i can type but i think i'll just hit you up on aim or something when i get back from the beach this weekend.
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Originally Posted by UNCDooD
My car has already been a best of a 13.59 @ 104.26 mph w/ a 75-shot and that was with the stock intake manifold and ECU. That was run on a set of 225/50/15 BFGoodrich Drag Radials on Millenia wheels with a 2.21 short time. I didn't spray until after i passed the tree which still resulted in wheelspin through the rest of 1st and some of 2nd gear. I plan on picking up another kit real soon, like next week soon. lol. I'll probably just throw another 75 shot on there but I'll be running it with the JWT ECU and the '00 vi just to see how it does.

I got a set of 26" Hoosier QTPs i've been using and ran those N/A times with but i think i might try and find a set of 24.5" tall M&H slicks to use.

i got more i can type but i think i'll just hit you up on aim or something when i get back from the beach this weekend.

Darn 5spds.... I made 6 passes last night, and the first three gave me 2.0x 60's after a short burnout. R/T was only in the .1xx sec. range. This track had sucky prep, so after going into second gear and second-stage spray, I still could'nt get below 13.7x all night. Bah. Best MPH was 102.04.

By run #4, the top end pull was weak - a sign my plugs were burning away. About 10 full-power runs and I gotta re-gap them back to .032. I have a set of those BFGS on those Millenia wheels. They warp real bad on a hard launch at 17psi, and steer funny, which brought on the M&Hs. They launch like a dream - stay stable, and grip well - but not any better than the BFGs. Watch your ignition advance when sprayin' with the JWT - I use side-gapped NGKs and 104 Sunoco to prevent preignition...

Enjoy your beach.. I was in Maui in Feb., and they got beaches! and whales.... just heaven - and my wife's younger sister lives on the West shore, in Napili Bay. And they have a NHRA 1/4 strip on the island.

I'd appreciate any advice you can shove my way - my setup is way slow for the parts on it. ?? Later..
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Friends....?

You said in one of your posts that you have some friends that are intersted in building a Turbo Max?

I'm toying around with the Idea of selling mine.

I just built my wife a 92 Typhoon and I think I'm hooked on building one for myself....

Here's the spec's on my 89 Maxima.

CA Car... IE no rust.

Black exterior
Cloth Interior with (NISSAN Motorsports) headrests
CD player... Bose disabled..
5spd with SPEC stage 3 clutch
370cc Injectors
Duel inlet fuel rail setup
225LPH fuel pump (Warbro)
Live Edit (sofware and Pocket programmer installed) Tuned.
TA49 Turbo (GN Stye) supports 550hp
3" downpipe to 2 1/2 exhaust Very quiet
Front mount IC
2" cowel hood
Turbo setup has been on there for 30,000miles.
Ported heads/upper/lower plenums
Ect ect ect.
New nitto's on all 4 corners.
Borbet rims
Best run before new downpipe last year was 13.40@107mph at US41 Dragway. On pump gas with 12lbs of boost.
That's faster by a tenth than a new GTO and 3-4mph faster too.

Very clean Dependable fast car.. Can't buy another Maxima or anyother car this fast or clean for the price.....

Anyone who's seen the car knows that for sure.

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Old Jun 25, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Boosted Maxima
You said in one of your posts that you have some friends that are intersted in building a Turbo Max?

I
I just built my wife a 92 Typhoon and I think I'm hooked on building one for myself....



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No, actually I said I met some guys whose friend was trying to build a Maxima - sorry.... Don't know anyone in the market, but your Maxima looks impressive - and uber-fast. Is the engine a 3.0 ??

I saw and photographed a Typhoon at KCIR - a 4.3L turbo, right? Some sort of small Blazer chassis - anyway, a small 2-door SUV? I hear those are really rare - true ? He was running it in Test-and-Tune but I never saw him run... He was using a radiator hose as the boost charge pipe - he knew it wasn't great, but all he had....
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The hose you had seen that fed the putred liquid/air intercooler that was factory on the trucks is stock.. terrible setup... I did a front mount IC on her truck already and ditched a ton of stuff under the hood so I can actualy work on it.
They are very rare... in 92 and 93 they made less than 4500 of them.
They were and are still the fastest production SUV ever made.
AWD 4.3L
That's why I'd like to build up another one.

I'm in no hurry to sell my Maxima.. It's a blast to drive and gets great MPG.
If the price is in that range for my Maxima it'd give me a headstart on locating and fixing up a Typhoon.

Yes.. my Max is the single cam VG 3.0..... With the MPH in the 1/4 it'd turn 12's with the right tires.. It'd be faster with good gas and more boost. The engine will take it with no problem... just worry about what I've read here about transmissions feeling the stress with that much power.

IF you hear of anyone intersted let me know... sure save them a bunch of trouble of building and tuneing to have one that's turn key.
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Try 3300 lbs track-weight..... I'm not stripping my car for the track - I went to KCIR last night exactly as I went to Maxus, except for the slicks, (and you can't compare cars based on published mods) ......
nice times especially with that weight. im a healthy 3600lbs with me in the car and when i break 12's people cant believe it. when i was pushing just a 75 shot no boost the most i could break was 14 flat so even with the mistakes you did its still pretty damn good.
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hey cmax when u did the 14 flat did you also have the 3600lbs?
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hey cmax when u did the 14 flat did you also have the 3600lbs?
no maybe 3200, but that was with my 18's and street tires.
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cuz i managed a 14.4 with 75shot and weigh 3200 without me in it. 17" 2k2 titaniums / street tires. but the pressure was only at 900psi.
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cuz i managed a 14.4 with 75shot and weigh 3200 without me in it. 17" 2k2 titaniums / street tires. but the pressure was only at 900psi.
that seems pretty good, i did get decent traction though. i forgot to mention the were pole position summer tires, and probably as close as you can get to drag radials.
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well i didnt have traction problem, i berly chirp fron the line the track was very well prep'd.

grey99max, do you spray inbetween your shifts? uv given me pointers but i dont know if i ever asked you that, my nitrous cuts off at 6k and starts after it shifts. I dont know if im loosing a lil time by not spraying there.
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well i didnt have traction problem, i berly chirp fron the line the track was very well prep'd.

grey99max, do you spray inbetween your shifts? uv given me pointers but i dont know if i ever asked you that, my nitrous cuts off at 6k and starts after it shifts. I dont know if im loosing a lil time by not spraying there.
H3ll, yeah, , I spray straight through the gears now - the 50-shot is on all the time when at WOT. The DR mod does wonders for shifting. The 2nd stage 75-shot is usually on just after launch until just before the 1-2 shiift - I let off the floor button for a second - then get back into stage 1 and 2 for a combined 125-shot to the end. The 2-3 shift is fast and hard. I like it.

After using up so many N2O bottles, I don't use the window switches at all. The automatic shifts before fuel cut, so no need - if you don't play at shifting manually..

streetzlegend, did you ever get your new tires? You were getting DRs, I think. Those should really help.

I've been cursed with bad tracks the last couple of weeks - everyone was complaining about lack of prep at HPT last Wednesday - I couldn't get below 2.0x 60' and had lots of drama with the slicks spinning. VHT isn't that expensive!

Of course, on Sunday I towed 90 miles to Kansas City only to be told at 2PM that there was no more cars being admitted! So I towed another 90 miles back home. Bogus event... but full stands, so maybe the gate guy was right.
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H3ll, yeah, , I spray straight through the gears now - the 50-shot is on all the time when at WOT. The DR mod does wonders for shifting. The 2nd stage 75-shot is usually on just after launch until just before the 1-2 shiift - I let off the floor button for a second - then get back into stage 1 and 2 for a combined 125-shot to the end. The 2-3 shift is fast and hard. I like it.

After using up so many N2O bottles, I don't use the window switches at all. The automatic shifts before fuel cut, so no need - if you don't play at shifting manually..

streetzlegend, did you ever get your new tires? You were getting DRs, I think. Those should really help.

I've been cursed with bad tracks the last couple of weeks - everyone was complaining about lack of prep at HPT last Wednesday - I couldn't get below 2.0x 60' and had lots of drama with the slicks spinning. VHT isn't that expensive!

Of course, on Sunday I towed 90 miles to Kansas City only to be told at 2PM that there was no more cars being admitted! So I towed another 90 miles back home. Bogus event... but full stands, so maybe the gate guy was right.
No I finally descided that I am going straight for the 22x8x15 M/T's, because like you, others have also told me that they regret getting DR"s because they still spin them. so im just not going to waste the money with DR and go straight for slicks. I finally purchased a bottle warmer, i should get it this mid week and i might go to the track this friday if the weather permits. i will let u know how i do.
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No I finally descided that I am going straight for the 22x8x15 M/T's, because like you, others have also told me that they regret getting DR"s because they still spin them. so im just not going to waste the money with DR and go straight for slicks. I finally purchased a bottle warmer, i should get it this mid week and i might go to the track this friday if the weather permits. i will let u know how i do.
I'd like to know how things work for you - with a hot bottle, 22" slicks, and a decent track, you should pull some good numbers! Edit: People forget that nitrous is either ON or OFF - no throttle control here! The sudden blast of power can spin most any tire...

Heat 'em up (use the Ebrake), launch hard, and hang on... daymn, I'd like to see you run - any way to get a video? I just remember going through the same steps you are doing and how it feels to get everything working right. (and how many ways you can scr*w up, too). Good luck.
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thanx alot, ill try and get some footage
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