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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 11:18 PM
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you should also make note in the text of the video that it was full interior, not some stripped out shell of a car.
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
oh i see, yeah it definitely has more in it. i didn't want to say it before you confirmed, but that shift sounded pretty brutal, I bet you're giving up almost a tenth right there. i know when I shift 1-2, you cant even tell that I've shifted except for the wheelspin and change in engine tone, I suspect yours are the same way normally.
Lol you can be honest, you're totally right, it was definitely not up to my usual standard. I've timed my shifts before via the EU datalogger at .3 seconds when I'm on my game, that's from throttle off to throttle on, so the actual gear change is even quicker. Yesterday's runs were far from perfect, not only the tuning/engine control problems but my driving too, sixty foots, shifting, R/T - all of it. I definitely was tired and rusty. Oh well, it just means there's lots of headroom yet. Still ran 12's so I had to post it, being a milestone.

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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SPiG
It is still stretched to 4:3 for me.

Great runs. Congrats on the new PB.
Check your video player settings maybe, it's definitely in widescreen now, you might just have your player settings forcing 4:3 or something?

Edit: copied from another post... maybe this sheds some light?


Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
this video is definitely 4:3.

it's kind of like anamorphic letterbox--it's a widescreen frame, but with black bars on either side of the letterbox video.
Originally Posted by DandyMax
Sorry I guess you're right, I'm not being specific enough. The overall video is 4:3 yes but the portion showing the actual race, that's letterboxed because it was originally shot in true 16x9 widescreen, so as long as you're seeing the letterboxing top and bottom and the car in the correct proportion, not looking tall and squished then the video is correct. In the first video the car was out of proportion...

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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 11:45 PM
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I have a thousand dollar bounty for Dandy's HEAD!!!!!!

Good work Dandy!!!!!!!!!
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Is this on youtube??? Gots to place it on myspace page... hahaha
Congrats
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 12:57 AM
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Is this on youtube??? Gots to place it on myspace page... hahaha
Congrats
Keep checking over the next couple days it will be there (same username) and on StreetFire too, I'll have to re-render it in a format that works for YouTube though.
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I noticed you said you are planning on revving it to 8200. what were you running it to at this time and how do you know the oil pump is going to be able to handle it?
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
I noticed you said you are planning on revving it to 8200. what were you running it to at this time and how do you know the oil pump is going to be able to handle it?
Took it to 8000 a couple times but it was breaking up and lacking power up past ~7100 or so due to the tuning issues. The rev-up pump should live up there (I think/hope), z350lover's built Z in AUS had one and he ran it to 9600 IIRC with Ferrea valvetrain. My backup is the oil pressure cut off switch though, if the pump goes hopefully it'll save the engine, unlike the last one that seized up the bearings.

What are you doing up at 4am? lol. Better question is what am I doing up...

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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 03:59 AM
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im not shocked at all,lol. hold it down son.
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 06:40 AM
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I know I congratulated you on TMEC, but good job Dandy!
PS. Does that Time slip show one of Hadley's times as well?
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Took it to 8000 a couple times but it was breaking up and lacking power up past ~7100 or so due to the tuning issues. The rev-up pump should live up there (I think/hope), z350lover's built Z in AUS had one and he ran it to 9600 IIRC with Ferrea valvetrain. My backup is the oil pressure cut off switch though, if the pump goes hopefully it'll save the engine, unlike the last one that seized up the bearings.

What are you doing up at 4am? lol. Better question is what am I doing up...
Z350Lover had the limit at more like 8200-8400 RPM IIRC. The oil pump will be fine considering the 3.0's demand for oil throughout the engine is less than than the 3.5's.



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Originally Posted by nismology
Z350Lover had the limit at more like 8200-8400 RPM IIRC. The oil pump will be fine considering the 3.0's demand for oil throughout the engine is less than than the 3.5's.



Congrats.
Thanks. You could be right on his rev limit, you know my memory sucks most of the time, for some reason I had 9600 stuck in my head..

But yeah, even if he only went to 8200-8400 it's not lower than I plan to go. My modeling suggests valve float could start to happen >8200 with the S1's so that was kind of my self-imposed limit at this point. The DEK buckets/shims are still a little heavier than the 3.5 even though I've lost over 7 grams per spring assembly (IIRC) going to the HR springs and retainers.

Tuned up properly it will make enough power up there to make it worth revving to that point though.. I love the top end on my car now, I fully expect it to trap 109+ once I get all the issues/tuning sorted out. (And no, it's not a dog through the low/mid range either.. haha)

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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 10:13 AM
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video made my nipples hard lol
damn thats sweet
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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Dandy do you know what the weight of your car is?
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Check the time slip database....its 2800
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Mother of god!!! I have been waiting for someone to do 12's all motor and the end has come. Makes me want to do all motor now.
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Mother of god!!! I have been waiting for someone to do 12's all motor and the end has come. Makes me want to do all motor now.
12's all motor has been accomplished for quite some time now, actually.
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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12's all motor has been accomplished on a VQ for quite some time now, actually. But this is the 1st 3.0L to do it.
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 03:08 PM
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Maybe if you put the same amount of money into the 3.5 it can be really fast... but will it be a rev engine like this? With that setup can you slap on a turbo, tune the car and get a high revving 3.0 with 100 shot spray?? Wouldn't that make it fast has hell since he has all of the big mods like cams valve spring and all of that? Plus i have seen a lot lighter maxima's then that so i am pretty sure anybody who attempts this can break the records...
Didn't someone do 11.7 turbo on 93? what about this setup turbo nitrous with race gas? Am i talking crazy here? Just bored with ideas....
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by VQrebuild96
Maybe if you put the same amount of money into the 3.5 it can be really fast... but will it be a rev engine like this? With that setup can you slap on a turbo, tune the car and get a high revving 3.0 with 100 shot spray?? Wouldn't that make it fast has hell since he has all of the big mods like cams valve spring and all of that? Plus i have seen a lot lighter maxima's then that so i am pretty sure anybody who attempts this can break the records...
Didn't someone do 11.7 turbo on 93? what about this setup turbo nitrous with race gas? Am i talking crazy here? Just bored with ideas....
hey im sc'd with nitrous so anythings possible,lol. and i still can't break 11's, oh well.
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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Nice run dandymax! Time to update your signature!
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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Good job Dan, I always had faith in that 3.0L. I've done 3.5L swaps, tranny swaps for people.... but it never impressed me enough to ditch the DE-K for a 3.5L.

Oh BTW I still need to send ya my EU for em resistors to be soldered in, I need to finally put the EU in the car. Boost is waiting
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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gave me goose bumps

AWESOME music was a nice touch
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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I just watched the video. Awesome, just awesome! I can't wait to see what you do in the future as it sounds like you're far from done!
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Thanks to all who've posted with congrats, much appreciated.


jr schultz: you, kind sir, are right; I'm only starting to get serious now...



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Is this on youtube??? Gots to place it on myspace page... hahaha
Congrats
It's up on both StreetFire and YouTube now, just look for my user name (DandyMax). The StreetFire one is bigger/better quality though...

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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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dan i havent been on the org much, but what a treat ! congrats on all the hardwork and the amazing 12 second pass !! i know after having the car sitting around for almost a year must have been tough, but this was worth the wait aye. VQ30DE-
K power A32 maxima runs 12.8 all motor !

hats off to the VQ 3 Liter King !

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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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dan i havent been on the org much, but what a treat ! congrats on all the hardwork and the amazing 12 second pass !! i know after having the car sitting around for almost a year must have been tough, but this was worth the wait aye. VQ30DE power A32 maxima runs 12.8 all motor !

hats off to the VQ 3 Liter King !

CORRECTION: It's a VQ30DE-K
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can't wait to see in cabin video and dyno #'s after tuning!
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CORRECTION: It's a VQ30DE-K
made necessary corrections
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Originally Posted by MADVQ
made necessary corrections
Didnt know you changed your S/N. 5 more tenths and your their!
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you can thank dandymax for that as well, as he installed my EU and transformed the chariot into a 13 second warrior.
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someone should start a thread in a honda forum about this...
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dandys car should be in a few online mags !
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I was thinking that. if the message gets out they may want to contact him.
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Holy god, that's extremely impressive for a VQ30DE-K. Great job

Haha, poor VE.
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Originally Posted by VQrebuild96
Check the time slip database....its 2800
Great job man - make us all proud! Anybody want to speculate on times with a perfect launch and a 2650lb weight? The engine work was the hard part after all.
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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Great job man - make us all proud! Anybody want to speculate on times with a perfect launch and a 2650lb weight? The engine work was the hard part after all.
12.3XX - 12.4XX
That engine has lots of potential, too bad sometimes we dont give it the credit it deserves.
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Holy god, that's extremely impressive for a VQ30DE-K. Great job

Haha, poor VE.
Be a soldier and crack 12's in your VE.
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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Fantastic job, Dandy! And no wisecracks about how Canadian air is actually 20% nitrous.
It IS 20% nitrous! We run faster!

Ridiculous timeslip. 8200 on stock rods!? I'm beginning to think VQ30DE and VQ30DET rods are the same or very close!

I just pulled out a stock VQ30 crankshaft yesterday and the thing looks INDESTRUCTIBLE. It must weight 25 pounds. We kept the crank, rods and retainers from a junker 3.0.

The 3.5 is NOT the way to go. The reason is piston speeds;

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pistonspeedcalc.html

At 7500 RPM the 3.5 reaches the critical speed of 4000 feet per minute. This is pretty much the limit on stock 35 rods. Piston speeds is what dictates how much stress the bottom end is put through.

What makes the VQ30 such an incredible motor is the extremely oversquare design. It has a super small 73.3 mm stroke VS 81.4 mm for the 3.5. What this means is that at 7500 the VQ30 is only doing 3600 feet per minute, so it strains as much at 7500 as the VQ35 at 6750.

In order to reach 4000 feet per minute, the 73.3 mm crank has to reach a mind boggling 8325 RPMs! That's why Dandy can get away with 8200 on stock rods. And to think Nissan imposes a 6550 rev limiter on that bottom end.

The best NA setup for a maxima is not the 3.5, it is the 3.2! Buy a junkyard VQ35 for 600, a junkyard VQ30 for 300, VQ35HR pistons for 300, ARP rod bolts, cams and valve springs and you have an 8000 RPM monster that still displaces only 3160 cc or so. But it would have the better VQ35 heads and the lighter VQ35HR pistons. Plus oil squirters and the fact that the 3.5 is 35 pounds lighter.

Are you gonna try the 3.2 next Dandy? I know this one has mid 12's@110 in it. Maybe a custom intake manifold or a modified 00VI next?

Theorically we could rev a 3.5 up to 8000 with eagle rods but then if you put eagle rods in a 3.0 you could go up to 9000 RPM, which is absolutely insane. Like an S2000, but 3 liters.

The most insane setup would be a Darton sleeved 3.8 liter VQ35 block. Instead of giving you 38xx cc with the 81.4 mm crank, it would give you about 3466 cc with the 73.3 mm crank. So you would have a 3.5L revving to 9000 continuously. It would probably make something crazy like 110 HP per liter with the right supporting mods.

In order to run what Dandy runs now, he's probably doing 100 HP/liter right now! Put that in your pipe and some it, Honda boys.

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It IS 20% nitrous! We run faster!

Ridiculous timeslip. 8200 on stock rods!? I'm beginning to think VQ30DE and VQ30DET rods are the same or very close!

I just pulled out a stock VQ30 crankshaft yesterday and the thing looks INDESTRUCTIBLE. It must weight 25 pounds. We kept the crank, rods and retainers from a junker 3.0.

The 3.5 is NOT the way to go. The reason is piston speeds;

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pistonspeedcalc.html

At 7500 RPM the 3.5 reaches the critical speed of 4000 feet per minute. This is pretty much the limit on stock 35 rods. Piston speeds is what dictates how much stress the bottom end is put through.

What makes the VQ30 such an incredible motor is the extremely oversquare design. It has a super small 73.3 mm stroke VS 81.4 mm for the 3.5. What this means is that at 7500 the VQ30 is only doing 3600 feet per minute, so it strains as much at 7500 as the VQ35 at 6750.

In order to reach 4000 feet per minute, the 73.3 mm crank has to reach a mind boggling 8325 RPMs! That's why Dandy can get away with 8200 on stock rods. And to think Nissan imposes a 6550 rev limiter on that bottom end.

The best NA setup for a maxima is not the 3.5, it is the 3.2! Buy a junkyard VQ35 for 600, a junkyard VQ30 for 300, VQ35HR pistons for 300, ARP rod bolts, cams and valve springs and you have an 8000 RPM monster that still displaces only 3160 cc or so. But it would have the better VQ35 heads and the lighter VQ35HR pistons. Plus oil squirters and the fact that the 3.5 is 35 pounds lighter.

Are you gonna try the 3.2 next Dandy? I know this one has mid 12's@110 in it. Maybe a custom intake manifold or a modified 00VI next?

Theorically we could rev a 3.5 up to 8000 with eagle rods but then if you put eagle rods in a 3.0 you could go up to 9000 RPM, which is absolutely insane. Like an S2000, but 3 liters.

The most insane setup would be a Darton sleeved 3.8 liter VQ35 block. Instead of giving you 38xx cc with the 81.4 mm crank, it would give you about 3466 cc with the 73.3 mm crank. So you would have a 3.5L revving to 9000 continuously. It would probably make something crazy like 110 HP per liter with the right supporting mods.

In order to run what Dandy runs now, he's probably doing 100 HP/liter right now! Put that in your pipe and some it, Honda boys.
Wow, this sounds so delicious!!! GReat info and very easy to understand your theories.



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