and james im saying this hoping you demolish my times... no sarcasm, i really do mean it

 

Although this will just perpetuate his oversized ego.... James does have a couple of things up his sleeve that should be a big help for next time.

 

already spoke to him... im not going to say his mods on here though... hopefully he does get the suprastick right first....
Maybe next season we should have a KingJames vs Grand_hustle17 thread where we go back on forth on 1/4mi times lol... im sure ppl will chime in

 

Looks like the next track day is Dec 13 at Fayetteville. I might really try this time and do a little weight reduction + bypass PS. I guess that depends on whether I've gotten my shifter bracket replaced by then.

 

my figures cross for kingjames, hope for 13.83 or better

 

Well the bracket is on order from courtesy. 43 bucks! not so bad. Looks like I will be testing a Kinetix SSV manifold at the next track event, as well.

 

And to think James isn't even shooting for you. According to him he wants to beat me down the track. Something tells me he'll need nitrous to make it happen... at least while I'm NA

 

u bought the manifold from the dude from VA?...if u did i hate u...lol

but good luck with the kinetix....u got an extended rev limiter?

 

I have a UTEC. I just changed over to open loop fueling a couple of days ago and got it tuned up to 7100. After I install the kinetix I'll do a retune.

 

hmmm...if u dont break 12s now ...i dont know what else to say....

but arent the ports on the kinetix bigger than the ports on our stock lower IM???...

 

I heard something along those lines on the older manifolds. Not sure if that is still the case or not. I'll be measuring and probably port matching my spacers though.

Only reason I didn't break 12s already was because I didn't get a good run after it started getting cold (negative DA) since I was broke already.

 

How much difference is there in the height between your street tires and your slicks? 24.5" doesn't seem very tall but then again, I'm not sure of the height of the stock tires on a 5.5 gen (225/50/17). If the slicks are shorter enough to require another shift, that could be your lower trap speed issu. Had that problem when I changed rearends in my old Chevelle. Went quicker but had to upshift right before the traps and lost 2 mph in trap speed.

 

Wait, so did those sawblades fit over the stock brakes without modification? If not, how did you get them to fit?

 

I have to shift to 4th regardless of tire size. The loss in trap is very likely the fact that they aren't radial tires. They vibrate/shake alot towards the end of the track and I'm sure that reduces accelleration.

I think 23" slicks would actually be best for NA. I am only halfway through 4th when I trap on the 24.5" slicks. You could get more out of 4th without having to shift again on the 23" slicks with better accel in early gears. That said, I got these slicks for nitrous and trapping 110+ its better to have the 24.5" slicks for a higher top speed in 4th gear.

 

Nope they didn't fit over the stock brakes. I had to shave some material off my calipers.

 

how much material??? seems like those wheels as a legitimate option would be HUGE for us 5.5 genners

 

Not much, maybe 1/8" of material in a few spots. I haven't had any issues with having done it. IMO it is a pretty big deal that we can run 15" wheels in the front because there are far more tire options than other sizes and you get the most sidewall.

 

 

Well, off to the wheels/tires classifieds I go

 

Yep I got my track wheel/tire combo used for a great price from a forum member.

 

Well the shifter bracket is on order with 2 day air shipping for reassurance, and I should be getting the kinetix this Friday.

I also ordered a 6">3" velocity stack and a 6"x9" AEM dry flow filter to replace my ghetto spectra filter.

I added 5-7 degrees of timing throughout the whole RPM range a few days ago because I was still tuned for summer weather. The ECU is demanding 30+ degrees of timing in the high rpms! With the Kinetix installed I'll go ahead and street tune up to 7100 and see how much more timing I can add.

For the track day on Dec 13 I think i'll be pulling out my passenger and rear seats, as well as the power steering belt. That should be around 50 lbs and roughly 8-10whp respectively. I'm hoping for good gains overall including the extra timing, tuning, higher rev limit, and IM.

 

Ok, this filter... is HUGE. It will fit fine, and I am going to use it, but this ****er could supply a 8 liter turbo deisel with air.

My reccomendation if you get one, 6" by 4" or so. LOL

 

PICS!!!

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I'm just going to use the comically oversized filter. It fits





And new bracket vs old bracket... apparently this is an updated design. Will it break too!?

 

My initial impression of the kinetix is that it feels smoother and pulls hard from 3k and up and doesn't fall off as much before redline, but this is butt dyno speaking.

I am very tempted to polish off the KINETIX badging on the manifold. Shiny > some gay company name

 

The kinetix runners are exactly matched up to the LIM, but the holes are more round while the stockers are more oval. After doing a little measuring, it looks like there is plenty of room to port match the LIM and spacer by rounding them out a little then tapering where material was taken off.

I'm getting a spare LIM sent to me to either take to get port matched to the upper OR do some research on the logistics and do it myself since I probably have all the tools required.

 

added a time slip picture to the first post.

 

sweet..interested to see when you bring the K.IM to the track and see if you can rip some better times..i bet that thing is going to love the bottle..

 

I won't be spraying nitrous again for a long while, I don't even have a kit installed.

 

Yea, I had the kinetix manifold about a year ago. And i noticed the samething. I even have pics of the kinetix and stock mainfold lined up side by side that i sent to Cattman and kinetix after i lost HP on the dyno. I lost 10whp mid range and 20wtq mid range but gained 6 whp at 6.3krpm. mThis was b4 my ECU, and at the time, it just wasnt worth it. I got mad that i spent $800+ dollars and lost money trying to test a product for a company that wouldnt back there product. I ended up selling it to a guy that did car shows. On a side note, Kevin007(R.I.P.) said he made 12whp across the board, But he also never dynoed it against the SSIM!They should have made a LIM to go with that thing, it would have made some good power. Watch out for welds where they meet the canister, They are known for breaking there. Goodluck buddy!

 

Yeah I think the reason people haven't seen much for power gains N/A is because of the LIM ports not matching. I'm going to do some port matching and see what happens.

When I tuned on the kinetix today, I had to add fuel and it certainly felt better in the butt dyno than the vias deleted stocker did yesterday.

I ran a SSIM for around 8 months and always ran bad at the track with it. I swapped to the vias delete stock manifold and ran 5 1/10ths quicker.

 

Well went out and got my temperature correction tables situated by looking at old data logs from the summer. I may try water/meth sometime next spring when it starts getting hot, see if I can run more timing in the heat!

Right now in the 30s and 40s I'm running as high as 33 degrees of timing up top. In the summer the highest I ran was 27 b/c I'd get knock above that.

 

That's a pretty big difference.

 

I'm sure other factors were involved, but part of it was definitely the IM. Butt dyno told me lowend/midrange was pretty horrid with the SSIM with a peaky topend.

 

Goodluck, hopefully you can get me to change my thoughts on the kinetix... not too much a fan right now either, hopefully you get some good gains and break 12's

 

Breaking 12s i wouldn't necessarily blame on the Kinetix alone since I'll be doing other things to the car that weren't done last time (PS belt removal, weight reduction) as well as a better tune. I don't think i'll see full potential from the kinetix until I have a port matched LIM, either. I guess I'll hold my breath as to whether I'll get the LIM in time to do porting before Sunday.

 

It could be because of the tune. People have picked up a lot of midrange using Z33 VTC maps in conjunction with the SSIM.

 

Maybe. I haven't seen any dyno-proven gains. It's likely with Z33 VTC maps, the stock mani would still be better.

I can already see that I will end up with a Greddy Vmanage eventually. It's crap having to spend 500 dollars to have intake VTC control, but the gains both for N/A and especially boosted applications are hard to look over.

 

Hey Sparks, I`ve been looking at the Kinetix for some time also. Is it the SSV or the old version. I`ve been talking to Tim from Speed force Racing and they also sell there version of the IM, with no real dyno numbers he`s telling me 25-30 whp on a FI car. I`ve been back and forth on this thing for some time and just don`t know. Some people say its just a shinny piece of metal that looks good in the bay. What numbers do you expect?

And btw man is that a big filter.lol

 

Not to be rude sparks. You should probably start a new thread. I know other people would be interested in this also.