i'm probably going to get flamed or something but here it goes so, the vg30dett will not fit into our max. that is definaltey true because if you go and look at the dumb thing you can tell it won't fit. But how about the vg30det? the intake isn't nearly as big. if mounted transversely the turbo would be in the front (so i'm not sure about the clearance there, i might hit the radiator making it impossible to put in but i'm not sure) crossover pipe would go right over the tranny. someone think this would work or is it just that the heads are to big? here's some pictures for an idea of what looks like. it's an ebay ad so do get mad (get glad ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1866059859

 

OK, this is the first I've ever seen a single turbo VG30DE engine, I never even knew they existed. Cool. If I had a VE max, I'd buy it in a second. the only prob is the ECU, research would be required big time, but at the least all the turbo crap could be put on a stock VE for some fun. The heads are likely the same size as any other VE. Very interesting. I can't stop looking at the pics

 

lol, same here. i've had my computer on everyday since i found it trying to figure stuff out about it. i knew they existed. they were talked about on hybridz.org. they are a bioth to find though, literally. i'm having the hardest time finding them. i'm sure jwt could throw together an ecu. might be a little costly but probably well worth it if it could fit in a max. hmmm.. now i'm starting to think of the downside. are piece of junk trannies. would need lots of tranny reinforcement to handle that engine if it would fit.

 

With a 5-spd, just do a good rebuild, cryo treat everything (case and all, except gears, for now) put in an upgrade LSD unit, and go to town. If those little Hoda's can run 9's on stock trannies (really) I'm wiling to see how far I can push my 5-spd when I get the VG30ET in there, booosted to hell..just have to get a spare or two!!

 

Oh yeah, I posted the link on Z31.com..those guys know a **load of stuff about nissan motors. I learned a good portion of what I know from that site. Check it out www.z31.com

 

i've acutally had the cryo treating in mind. i was going to send it in and have them treat everything but the gears but i'm going to wait and find out if my stupid bike sells so i can have the money to do this. i've looked at the z31 site a little bit. i've not really looked into depth though. i'll go check it out some more now.

 

Here's what i found out about this engine from a guy on hybridz.org
"VG30DET was a single turbo DOHC engine pushing 255Hp with a single T25 turbo.255hp was @ 6000rpm. this engine was found in the Cima/Gloria Y31-Y33 cars..."
"i have gotten prices of $800 for these engines."

 

why not build your own turbo? Just buy some piping and an Intercooler and A rebuilt Turbo and put it all together. If you go to custommaxima.com, look at the turbo kits for the 4 gens. I am going to do something of that nature with my VE30DE engine along with cryo(it will cost alot).In fact does anyone know how much cryo is?

 

here's an e-mail i got from a company called 300 below www.300below.com sorry it's kind of long

We have been successfully doing cryo here in Decatur, IL, for over 10 years, using our computer-controlled system which allows us to duplicate past successes. We actually don't "dip," as that would cause the parts being treated to drop from room temperature to minus 300 degrees (F) which could actually damage your parts. Instead, we drop the temp. at less than 1 degree per minute using the vapor off the liquid nitrogen rather than the actual liquid nitrogen. This is far more gentle and works much better. Now, as to your application. We have done many big block and small block engines, but I don't believe we have ever done a Nissan V6 although I know of no reason why we should not. We will treat the block, sleeves, and main caps, from disassembled 6-cyl. or 8-cyl. aluminum engines for $337.50/each, or we will treat essentially all the engine parts for $562.50. I don't tell you how to build your engine, but I will tell you how it should be prepped for us to treat it for you. Transmissions? We do a lot of them. The cases, gears, shafts, bearings, forks, planetariies, input shafts. Rearends and axles? We do them to. The cost of treating the parts in transmissions and rearends is $2.50/per pound. We load our processors twice each week. The friday loads are normally shipped out the following Tuesday. The Tuesday loads are normally shipped out on Friday, so the treatment takes about 3 days. We treat for many top motorsports teams, but they normally don't want anyone to know as that would give away their advantage. The advantage is typically improved performance with reduced wear and breakage. Thanks again for your e-mail, and please call me on our (800) number, (800)550-2796, so we can talk further.

 

That seems about right moneywise, but I have seen lower prices. Just shop around a bit. Everything must be disassembled of course (seals and lubes don't do well in -300 temps!) Also, If you are doing any machining, do the coarse machinework first, cryotreat, then finish machining. The temp treatment can change dimensions slightly. If tight tolerances are required, this is something to consider.

 

Take some measurements of the DE motor. I took measurements 2 years ago. The search has prevented me from posting the info though .

 

this is for the DETT from what i could find
Engine:
Length= 15.5"
Height= 9.5"
Width= 14.5"

edit: i knew something wasn't right and looked into those dimensions some more and found that was for the dang block only. i'll search some more for the whole thing.

 

those headers look like they are pointing down don't they?

somewhat it seems

 

What the?? It is deceiving when they are not on the engine. The engine ( I assume these are for a Z31) doesn't sit totally horizontal, so that combined with clearance allowances makes 'em look like that just laying on a table. Nice pieces though.

 

well they are made for the VG but they are actually made for the 510 conversion. they just didn't look like normal headers that kind of did a 90 and shot back. these look like they are position down a little more.

 

i put the picture on my computer and spun them. they are angled just a little too much.

 

Got it. I checked the website. At first I thought that said S10 conversion. I was like whoa, what the hell? Then I saw 510, minor dyslexia, I'll be .K.O

 

lol! i thought the same thing too aat first.

 

Check out Pro-Tech transmissions. In NY I think. They do all kinds of tranny stuff and will put a LSD in our VG30E open diff trannies, among other services. Not one of those overpriced Quaiffe ATB diffs (the jury is still out on whether it will drop into our trannies), but they assured me it could handle high HP applications. I bet all that's involved is some trimming of the case halves...could do it with a dremel (only aluminum you know). I need to try that. Anyway, Cryo it, rebuild it, put in an LSD and we've got the tranny DONE! Then all I'll need is a 450HP VG30ET.

 

Off topic, but wanna laugh your *** off, check www.1badride.com and click


It's from a rpofile of a guy on z31.com

 

(I'm still trying to figure out if that engine will fit in my car...)

 

i bet it will man. It's still a VG30DE no matter how you look at it. Heads are likely the same, just different intake and valvecovers. Get the manifolds, turbo, bigger injectors, fuel pump, and you are on your way. But I bet the actual VG30DET has lower comp pistons. Put an IC and it would work well with the high comp pistons.

 

lol!! that was kind of funny

 

my friend purchased this engine for his datsun 280z. I also got a jdm vg30et as you all have probably already seen. while my engine is out i'll see if this det works. top end wise, i think it will fit. bottom end, probably not. the accesories on that thing stick out really far. some are a little farther than the heads. i'll find out more. side by side comparison of the two engines, they look very similar in size. the head angle of the det is less than the et i think. my friend called jwt to find out what he should do for this engine. jwt guy said to buy a 90-93 300zx N/A wiring harness and ecu and it would hook right up. then you send the ecu to jwt and they'll do the proper stuff to it. then they also said to get the nitrous spool up kit and all in all it would cost around 1000 dollars. he would be pushing 400 hp then. i'll find out more when we start tearing our cars apart. i just need to get a better clutch and an ecu and i'll have mine ready. would i be an idiot to do with a centerforce dual friction? they say those will hold 90% more torque than stock. i heard somewhere on here that the stock clutches would handle 300 ft lb or torque so that's almost 600 ft lb of torque that cf df clutch can handle (if that stock clutch number is right) i've heard that they don't last too long though... i can't really decide because right now anything will be better than stock and i can get the whole cf kit for 250 plus shipping. any ideas anyone? Thanks!