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Old 05-22-2005, 09:13 AM
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yet another turbo vg

These things just keep poppin up
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is the 3rd gen VG? if it is, then that set up is looking clean, minus the fact that it isn't done.
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i think its someone we know on the org, just not sure who. i've seen somebody just paint the interior of the engine bay that color while keeping the rest of the car a different color. im guessing the outside of the car isn't blue?
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it's a start...but it's far far from finish.
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Man... if all these people are interested in doing a turbo VG. I've got one right over here in my garage they could put a turbo on.

ANY TAKERS????
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Hmmm, I have a turbo VG too

That's an interesting setup, guess they didn't want to deal with the Z manifold.
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
i think its someone we know on the org, just not sure who. i've seen somebody just paint the interior of the engine bay that color while keeping the rest of the car a different color. im guessing the outside of the car isn't blue?
The person you're thinking of is Awsm66, and I'm 99.9% sure its NOT his car..unless he suddenly changed his mind about selling all of his max's within the past couple days...
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awsm66's car that is painted blue is a VE not a VG, so its not him and +1 to DanNY on far from finished.
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if you can get some more pix up thats the setup im looking to do.
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Old 05-22-2005, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DanNY
it's a start...but it's far far from finish.
It's been done for over 8 months. That's just a pic from when the project was started. It's blue on the outside, it was originally Emerald black. I have the Z31 manifolds but opted to make my own 1 7/8's stainless steel manifolds.The heads have been ported and polished. It's got Ferrea 1mm oversize stainless steel valves,370cc injectors, Z32 MAF, JWT S2 cams, JWT springs, and JWT ECU. The turbo is a GT30r dual ball bearing turbo.
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well do you have anymore pics? id like to see them.
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seems more VG's are getting t-charged then VE's. i wonder why that would be
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Probably cause you can manually adjust the timing, unlike the VE
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
seems more VG's are getting t-charged then VE's. i wonder why that would be

prolly magic.
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Originally Posted by tripleGmax
well do you have anymore pics? id like to see them.
I want to see pics, too.
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Old 05-22-2005, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kcidmil
Probably cause you can manually adjust the timing, unlike the VE
hm.. so what stops the VE from being able to be adjusted manually? VTC's?

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prolly magic.
sure, only if you believe that magic gets the VG turbo charged
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Originally Posted by kcidmil
Probably cause you can manually adjust the timing, unlike the VE
incorrect.
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Originally Posted by antonthegrey
incorrect.
+11111111111000000000000000

the VE can buy moving the CPS your probobly thinking of the VQ
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Old 05-22-2005, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
seems more VG's are getting t-charged then VE's. i wonder why that would be
i would say because there are at least twice as many VG 3rd gens so there will be atleast twice as many with a turbo
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Originally Posted by emeraldmax
It's been done for over 8 months. That's just a pic from when the project was started. It's blue on the outside, it was originally Emerald black. I have the Z31 manifolds but opted to make my own 1 7/8's stainless steel manifolds.The heads have been ported and polished. It's got Ferrea 1mm oversize stainless steel valves,370cc injectors, Z32 MAF, JWT S2 cams, JWT springs, and JWT ECU. The turbo is a GT30r dual ball bearing turbo.
nice....pics of complete set up?
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Yeah you can definately adjust the timing of a VE. I want to go turbo so badly, but loss of scholarship creates instant financial hardship.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:37 AM
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A few more pics

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I like the headers. Nice setup! Do you have any numbers? How much boost are you running?
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Wouldnt those still just be exhaust manifolds? I thought with headers all of the pipes are the same length as to create an equal pulling force. So if i was told right with my theory then those wouldnt be headers correct?
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Originally Posted by emeraldmax
A few more pics

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decent set up...nice touch on the SS pipes. does that y-pipe hits the x-member when the engine is torquing?

you have a pic of everything together from the top side?
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Originally Posted by mtnbikeair
Wouldnt those still just be exhaust manifolds? I thought with headers all of the pipes are the same length as to create an equal pulling force. So if i was told right with my theory then those wouldnt be headers correct?
manifolds are generally cast iron. those would be considered headers. they make equal length headers and they make non equal lengths...but still they both are headers.
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Old 05-24-2005, 10:32 AM
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manifolds are generally cast iron. those would be considered headers. they make equal length headers and they make non equal lengths...but still they both are headers.
I wish i could fit equal length headers lol, but i think it's virtually impossible. I'll take some more pics of the top side soon, i just never had a chance. Those pics are all from when the car was getting worked on. The y-pipe doesn't hit the x-member when the engine torques. I also had the x-member reinforced b/c i've seen a few people on the org that have broken them N/A. I don't have #'s yet, i'm working out a few kinks in the system. When it's cool it hauls a**, but when it warms up, it doesn't run as well. I've changed out the TPS, Knock sensor, tried a different MAF, but i still can't figure out the stumbling at high RPM when it's warm. I might have to do an MSD Ignition setup. On cool runs i've run from 8.5 up to 17.5lbs of boost without any signs of detonation. At 15-17.5lbs, even from a roll, it's still lights up the tires. I'm really testing the limits of this so-called "Beefed up tranny." Hopefully i'll have everything worked out within the next couple of months, so i could post some #'s. It sux not having a day off since new years, lol.
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thats nice, hey if you want to upload some decent size pictures without those aol restrictions, let me know ill host them. cool setup man. id love to turbo, just not possible atleast right now.
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i like it but i would have made the bend for the front header more in line with the flow to the turbo

do you have an auto or 5spd trans and who beefed it up what did they do
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Originally Posted by subs1000w


i like it but i would have made the bend for the front header more in line with the flow to the turbo

do you have an auto or 5spd trans and who beefed it up what did they do
dip stick into tranny = auto
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Originally Posted by tripleGmax
thats nice, hey if you want to upload some decent size pictures without those aol restrictions, let me know ill host them. cool setup man. id love to turbo, just not possible atleast right now.
i think he might've done that to keep people from stealing his work/pics.
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
seems more VG's are getting t-charged then VE's. i wonder why that would be
I would wager quite a few $$$ that there are several VE-T owners who regularly post in this forum but say nothing about their turbo setup.
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Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
I would wager quite a few $$$ that there are several VE-T owners who regularly post in this forum but say nothing about their turbo setup.
that also holds true for VG-T owners
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Originally Posted by emeraldmax
I wish i could fit equal length headers lol, but i think it's virtually impossible. I'll take some more pics of the top side soon, i just never had a chance. Those pics are all from when the car was getting worked on. The y-pipe doesn't hit the x-member when the engine torques. I also had the x-member reinforced b/c i've seen a few people on the org that have broken them N/A. I don't have #'s yet, i'm working out a few kinks in the system. When it's cool it hauls a**, but when it warms up, it doesn't run as well. I've changed out the TPS, Knock sensor, tried a different MAF, but i still can't figure out the stumbling at high RPM when it's warm. I might have to do an MSD Ignition setup. On cool runs i've run from 8.5 up to 17.5lbs of boost without any signs of detonation. At 15-17.5lbs, even from a roll, it's still lights up the tires. I'm really testing the limits of this so-called "Beefed up tranny." Hopefully i'll have everything worked out within the next couple of months, so i could post some #'s. It sux not having a day off since new years, lol.
Hmmm, what is your AFR looking like when it's warm? It might be running a little lean at higher rpm's, that might be the cause of the stumble. Good luck with the car!
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i really want one now for my new motor.
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Originally Posted by DanNY
dip stick into tranny = auto
i sohuld know that but i guess i overlooked it
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Originally Posted by Brad92SE
Hmmm, what is your AFR looking like when it's warm? It might be running a little lean at higher rpm's, that might be the cause of the stumble. Good luck with the car!
I thought it may have been running lean too. I've got an a/f gauge for each bank(each 3 cylinders), and it doesn't show that it's lean, it's actually a little rich. I added an SAFC II to the JWT ECU and tried to richen it a little and lean it out a little but to no avail. I've changed out the O2 sensor also. But i really am beginning to think it's an ignition issue. But I also think it might be a sensor issue. Next step is going to be an MSD setup.

Subs, I had the transmission rebuilt twice(it messed up a year after the first rebuild), so the second time i spent extra money for a higher stall Torque converter(2800 stall), valve body job, and a few other things, hopefully it will hold up(I really doubt it, but we'll see). If not, i'm going manual.
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Originally Posted by emeraldmax
Subs, I had the transmission rebuilt twice(it messed up a year after the first rebuild), so the second time i spent extra money for a higher stall Torque converter(2800 stall), valve body job, and a few other things, hopefully it will hold up(I really doubt it, but we'll see). If not, i'm going manual.
you seem to really like that auto tranny
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
you seem to really like that auto tranny
whats not to like

are these so called air/fuel gauges running off narrowband (non fivewire) sensors because if so there idea of rich could still be very lean since a narrowband sensor only reads down to 14:1 A/F which is still very lean since a turbo car need to be low 12s if not 11s

heres a graph of a narrow band sensors output which explains it all



as you can see a narowband sensor does not know the difference between 10:1 A/F (to rich) and 14:1 A/F (to lean)

so with narrowband sensors your pretty much running blind (there useless) except when tunning for best gas mileage
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Originally Posted by subs1000w
whats not to like

are these so called air/fuel gauges running off narrowband (non fivewire) sensors because if so there idea of rich could still be very lean since a narrowband sensor only reads down to 14:1 A/F which is still very lean since a turbo car need to be low 12s if not 11s

heres a graph of a narrow band sensors output which explains it all



as you can see a narowband sensor does not know the difference between 10:1 A/F (to rich) and 14:1 A/F (to lean)

so with narrowband sensors your pretty much running blind (there useless) except when tunning for best gas mileage
Yeah, i should really get a wideband to see what's going on. Another reason that i don't think it's really running lean is that(i'm sorry, i forgot to mention this) when it's warm, It doesn't pull nearly as hard, as if timing has been pulled back(that's why i changed the knock sensor, I thought that was the culprit, I even bypassed it with a resistor, but no success). So I really think it's a sensor issue. I changed the coolant temp sensor, knock, TPS, and O2 sensor. I don't know what else it could be.....I don't have any codes on my ECU except for 55 which means normal operation.

Thanks for the the advice, hopefully i'll get this figured out soon.
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