Cobra Rims
07-12-2005, 10:15 AM
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Cobra Rims
Does anybody have a picture of these on these car or any of the Mustang rims?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=43957
07-12-2005, 02:45 PM
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Since those have less offset than the 17x8 wheels, they might fit. By fit I mean clear the strut. You'll need to roll/cut the inner fender lip for sure. Of course thats just a guess, so dont quote me on it 
07-14-2005, 05:07 AM
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Too bad maxima wheels arent 8" wide and only 21lbs for a 17. They also dont clear 300zx calipers. 
You will be hard pressed to find a wheel with all of these features for as cheap as you can get the mustang ones ($150) that also isn't ricey.
To each his own though
You will be hard pressed to find a wheel with all of these features for as cheap as you can get the mustang ones ($150) that also isn't ricey.
To each his own though
07-14-2005, 06:46 AM
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You think "nissan" or "ford" wheels are actually made by Nissan or Ford? 
Originally Posted by Eric95se
I know what I am talking about, I don't like mustang wheels on the max. It's like some nasty crossbreed. Its my opinion, thats yours.
07-14-2005, 07:19 AM
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Jeff-It is not a matter of who actually forged/cast the wheel, (But to answer your question-yes Nissan made the wheel. Their designers penned the idea, their engineers made it possible. Then they most likley sent it to a Tier 1 supplier for production.) its about aesthetics. The 5th gen 6 spoke SE wheel was an in-house Nissan design for a Nissan car, with Nissan badging. It does not have a little horsie on it from another car. I find that it is aesthetically pleasing, to me, to have a wheel that is factory designed. It just looks right.
07-14-2005, 08:13 AM
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Nissan doesn't actually make wheels. They just send the design/specs to an OEM maker and they engineer/make it. Nissan and Ford could well be made by the same maker. (probably not though).
I don't like the 5-gen 6 spoke wheel that much. They are very heavy, look chunky, don't clear any type of bbk and are thin. Nothing really appealing to me.
My wheels say "SVT". No horsie for miles thanks.
Question. Do you have a problem with people here running Enkies, Volks, Koing etc... wheels?
I don't like the 5-gen 6 spoke wheel that much. They are very heavy, look chunky, don't clear any type of bbk and are thin. Nothing really appealing to me.
My wheels say "SVT". No horsie for miles thanks.
Question. Do you have a problem with people here running Enkies, Volks, Koing etc... wheels?
07-14-2005, 08:30 AM
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This is a stupid disagreement, but I have to stress that the wheels were designed by a Nissan product designer, and proven by a Nissan engineer. The Tier 1 supplier (or "OEM maker" as you called it) is simply there to devise production methods and meet quotas. Tier 1 suppliers are hardly ever responsible for the design of a wheel (Though its true Konig and Enkei (I am sure there are more) have designed wheels for OEM apps.)
No I don't have a problem with people running aftermarket wheels. and I don't have a "problem" with Mustang wheels either; they aren't my arch nemesis or anything. It is my opinion that they dont look right on a Maxima, and the benefits that they offer don't make me want to run out and get a set. You are very defensive of your wheels by the way...
No I don't have a problem with people running aftermarket wheels. and I don't have a "problem" with Mustang wheels either; they aren't my arch nemesis or anything. It is my opinion that they dont look right on a Maxima, and the benefits that they offer don't make me want to run out and get a set. You are very defensive of your wheels by the way...
07-14-2005, 08:36 AM
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I think Enkei is the oem for Nissan 
Well if you don't have a problem with aftermarket wheels, then that means you have no problem with the same design Enkei on a maxima that can be also seen on any Honda/Hyundai etc....
If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Never said you should/would/could. But to say you don't like a "Ford" wheel on a Nissan because Ford made it, deosn't make sense to me.
Tier 1 suppliers "devise production methods"? Ie.. actually manufacture the wheel correct?
Well if you don't have a problem with aftermarket wheels, then that means you have no problem with the same design Enkei on a maxima that can be also seen on any Honda/Hyundai etc....
If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Never said you should/would/could. But to say you don't like a "Ford" wheel on a Nissan because Ford made it, deosn't make sense to me.
Tier 1 suppliers "devise production methods"? Ie.. actually manufacture the wheel correct?
Originally Posted by Eric95se
This is a stupid disagreement, but I have to stress that the wheels were designed by a Nissan product designer, and proven by a Nissan engineer. The Tier 1 supplier (or "OEM maker" as you called it) is simply there to devise production methods and meet quotas. Tier 1 suppliers are hardly ever responsible for the design of a wheel (Though its true Konig and Enkei (I am sure there are more) have designed wheels for OEM apps.)
No I don't have a problem with people running aftermarket wheels. and I don't have a "problem" with Mustang wheels either; they aren't my arch nemesis or anything. It is my opinion that they dont look right on a Maxima, and the benefits that they offer don't make me want to run out and get a set. You are very defensive of your wheels by the way...
No I don't have a problem with people running aftermarket wheels. and I don't have a "problem" with Mustang wheels either; they aren't my arch nemesis or anything. It is my opinion that they dont look right on a Maxima, and the benefits that they offer don't make me want to run out and get a set. You are very defensive of your wheels by the way...
07-14-2005, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tripleGmax
thought you sold them
hell even though I bought them I still get caught calling them Jeff's wheels
hey if he hasn't even updated his pictures to his new wheels I guess that says something about this whole arguement
07-14-2005, 09:47 AM
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We all know these are all rebadged Nissan products. But Ford DID specify the engines be non-interference. But I don't think the Ford engineers went in and totally reengineered the specifications and gave them to Nissan to build. They just said "make them not bend valves if the t-belt breaks". Nissan as the oem maker did just that. Engineered it that way and made is so.
Originally Posted by internetautomar
Quest / Villager 
07-14-2005, 09:49 AM
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OK. I promise this is my last post on this subject because it is getting rediculous. I was not concerned with who MAKES or PRODUCES the wheel. The DESIGN is what matters. It is most definetley a NISSAN design. Here at GM (where I work sadly) designers draw their own wheel designs. I see it every day. They then go to a program called Alias Studio Tools 12 and do a general surface model of what the wheel is giong to look like (or work with an alias specialist within the company-an Alias "jockey" within GM). From there the wheel may be rapid prototyped, or clayed up at GM. Once the design had been approved by the design managers, the the GM engineers rip it apart or try to make it work (clearences, stress test etc.) ONLY THEN IS IT SENT TO A Tier 1 supplier to MAKE the wheel. I am not talking about quality, I am not talking about who physically made the wheel. I am stating that the design of the wheel is what appeals to me. So therefore, if Enkei, for example, who happened to manufacture the 1997 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight wheel (and many other wheels), has no say in how it looks. They just CAST them (and design their own for aftermarket, just like Konig). I don't like the Ford design because I see it and it looks like it came off a big, nasty mustang. It just doen't look right to me. End of story.
07-14-2005, 09:52 AM
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Sooo let's say Enkei made an aftermarket wheel that looked EXACTLY like the Ford SVT 98 Cobra wheel 17x8 and about 19lbs. Would you like it then? Because there is more than one aftermarket wheel made for Nissans that look almost identical. If you dont like these then you are pretty much not liking any basic 5-spoke wheel. Which I find difficult to believe.
07-14-2005, 09:54 AM
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Wow I have to post again, so I lied (but technically its on a different subject...)-The Quest design was sold to Ford. It is design sharing for joint profitablity. Ford did not want to pay for ground up production on a new van- Nissan sold design. Bingo Mercury Villager POS. Just like at GM where The bosses say "hey lets rebadge a Trailblazer 50 fuc**g times because these new models are expensive to build form the ground up." Or Isuzu, who used to produce the Honda Passport in exchange for a Japanese model Honda car design they used in Japan. You would be suprised how much of this crap happens. However, Ford no longer has any noticeable partnership w/nissan. THey are too busy digging in Mazda's pockets.
07-14-2005, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
We all know these are all rebadged Nissan products. But Ford DID specify the engines be non-interference. But I don't think the Ford engineers went in and totally reengineered the specifications and gave them to Nissan to build. They just said "make them not bend valves if the t-belt breaks". Nissan as the oem maker did just that. Engineered it that way and made is so.
the brakes are ford, the motor and trans are nissan.
the rest of the parts were pretty much unique to the van.
BTW the CD changer cartridge has a ford # on it, even though it was a quest.
07-14-2005, 09:56 AM
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13" Cobra brakes? 
Originally Posted by internetautomar
actually the vans are a hodge podge of each brands parts.
the brakes are ford, the motor and trans are nissan.
the rest of the parts were pretty much unique to the van.
BTW the CD changer cartridge has a ford # on it, even though it was a quest.
the brakes are ford, the motor and trans are nissan.
the rest of the parts were pretty much unique to the van.
BTW the CD changer cartridge has a ford # on it, even though it was a quest.
07-14-2005, 10:07 AM
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QUEST-I think that the 1st model yr (could be more) was all Nissan. Ford purchased right to use design, adjusts design etc., parts get shared more becomes a partnership of sharing components.
5-spokes. Jeff- you did actually hit on a valid point-I do dislike most thin 5 spokes like the mustang wheels on the Maxima. It does not look right to me on such a plain sedan. In fact I find it difficult to like most thin spoked wheels (konig tantrums, Millie Miglia MM-11-3's) Because they look like they belong on something other than a family sedan. It is my preference. Granted, I would buy a set of the most goregeous 5 spokes ever, the Volvo S60 R Pegasus wheels, and put those on my car in a second.
5-spokes. Jeff- you did actually hit on a valid point-I do dislike most thin 5 spokes like the mustang wheels on the Maxima. It does not look right to me on such a plain sedan. In fact I find it difficult to like most thin spoked wheels (konig tantrums, Millie Miglia MM-11-3's) Because they look like they belong on something other than a family sedan. It is my preference. Granted, I would buy a set of the most goregeous 5 spokes ever, the Volvo S60 R Pegasus wheels, and put those on my car in a second.
07-14-2005, 10:10 AM
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If you don't like them, fine. But that doesn't make your reasoning behind it any less invalid. IMHO. So volvo wheels are okay? Doesn't Ford own part of Volvo? Watch out, some Ford engineers might be behind those wheels you like. 
Originally Posted by Eric95se
It is not about "okay". I gave my opinion, you didn't agree.
07-14-2005, 10:16 AM
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What? Invalid?
"you did actually hit on a valid point-I do dislike most thin 5 spokes like the mustang wheels on the Maxima. It does not look right to me on such a plain sedan."
Ford can make a good wheel, I just don't like the ones poeple put on Maximas.
"you did actually hit on a valid point-I do dislike most thin 5 spokes like the mustang wheels on the Maxima. It does not look right to me on such a plain sedan."
Ford can make a good wheel, I just don't like the ones poeple put on Maximas.
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07-14-2005, 10:30 AM
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True, but as you can guess, I am not one to be a miser for weight, hence the 6 spoke se wheels. As it is the Volvo weighs 4k pounds. It also puts out over 300hp. Even with all that weight it is still a good touring sedan. Lets just settle it with the statement that we are from two different schools of thought. I will sacrifice a little for a design I feel is well done, whereas your attraction lies in the functionality, and your opinions on what looks good.
