247.4bhp?
08-26-2005 | 11:35 AM
#41
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
If you guys really want to dig into the dude, ***** up that forum.. Not this one.
link to thread?
edit: nevermind
http://anger.verticalscope.com/modif...ead.php?t=1034
08-26-2005 | 11:37 AM
#43
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
If you guys really want to dig into the dude, ***** up that forum.. Not this one.
hell i got 15 hp just from my JL audio sticker, have any stickers?? those supposedly help a lot on aerodynamics too..... 
08-26-2005 | 11:58 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by MrGone
uhhh I did 
but even more than this guy has, even if all his claims are true.
but even more than this guy has, even if all his claims are true.
08-26-2005 | 12:00 PM
#46
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I completly agree with what everyone has said about this guys post. I guess I should watch out for that kid in my town with the 87 Tempo with Mustang badges! I bet that thing is fast! 
Putting GT-R Badges on anything other than a GT-R is completly GAY!
But now that you've all made fun of the VG30E/Auto combo, I'm wodering if I should get rid of mine. Are they really that pittiful that I'd be wasting my money trying to get power out of it? Sorry about the off topic, but all I've heard out of this thread is that you can't get that kinda power outa these cars. What is a good goal for this combo?
Putting GT-R Badges on anything other than a GT-R is completly GAY! But now that you've all made fun of the VG30E/Auto combo, I'm wodering if I should get rid of mine. Are they really that pittiful that I'd be wasting my money trying to get power out of it? Sorry about the off topic, but all I've heard out of this thread is that you can't get that kinda power outa these cars. What is a good goal for this combo?
08-26-2005 | 12:04 PM
#47
Originally Posted by MrGone
uhhhh, 75 shot is almost a 50% increase in horsepower for that engine. I would not trust a stock fuel pump to that task.
To safely run and tune nitrous... being safe, doing a quality job, using quality parts will put you back atleast $1000-1200 on these cars.
To safely run and tune nitrous... being safe, doing a quality job, using quality parts will put you back atleast $1000-1200 on these cars.
actually assuming we do a little math
160 (base hp)
+75(n2o shot)
____
235
with a bunch of other mods he could theoretically hit 247.4 at the crank.
I still don't thin k it actually is as I don't see any evidence in his engine pic of an n2o system.
08-26-2005 | 12:11 PM
#49
Originally Posted by internetautomar
who said safely
actually assuming we do a little math
160 (base hp)
+75(n2o shot)
____
235
with a bunch of other mods he could theoretically hit 247.4 at the crank.
I still don't thin k it actually is as I don't see any evidence in his engine pic of an n2o system.
actually assuming we do a little math
160 (base hp)
+75(n2o shot)
____
235
with a bunch of other mods he could theoretically hit 247.4 at the crank.
I still don't thin k it actually is as I don't see any evidence in his engine pic of an n2o system.
and ever see nitrous dyno's? the torque is insanely high, but the HP numbers tend to be a good ammount lower than the shot. (on these motors anyway)
08-26-2005 | 12:15 PM
#50
Originally Posted by Red89maxima
Are they really that pittiful that I'd be wasting my money trying to get power out of it?
08-26-2005 | 12:18 PM
#51
Originally Posted by internetautomar
who said safely
actually assuming we do a little math
160 (base hp)
+75(n2o shot)
____
235
with a bunch of other mods he could theoretically hit 247.4 at the crank..
actually assuming we do a little math
160 (base hp)
+75(n2o shot)
____
235
with a bunch of other mods he could theoretically hit 247.4 at the crank..
08-26-2005 | 12:23 PM
#52
Ok guys, enough of the lame "sticker jokes" we all get it. it was funny the first million times. let the person explain himself, if he comes back. some of these posts are both entertaining, infomative.. if this guy really does know something, then just say it. if you dont know anything, then stop posting, and tell us that you are a lair. i am not saying that you are, but the way you are beating around the bush on this subject makes you out to be a lair. no offense.
please, just end it and either explain yourself, or stop posting.
please, just end it and either explain yourself, or stop posting.
08-26-2005 | 12:27 PM
#53
Originally Posted by MrGone
160 = at the crank, not the wheels
and ever see nitrous dyno's? the torque is insanely high, but the HP numbers tend to be a good ammount lower than the shot. (on these motors anyway)
and ever see nitrous dyno's? the torque is insanely high, but the HP numbers tend to be a good ammount lower than the shot. (on these motors anyway)
of course that could also be a "Gross HP" #
08-26-2005 | 02:05 PM
#55
Sir, the fact that you come on an internet forum and get so bent up about your so called "built" 13+yr old car is quite immature for your age (40?). You're 40...what do you have to prove to a bunch of internet people? are you THAT insecure that you need to be "trendy" and try to "fit in" with the younger generation that you need a GT-R badge on your car and rocking an old nissan maxima? if i was 40 and i have a GT-R badge on my car (and it's not really a skyline GT-R) i would be the laughing stock of everyone i know. you're asking everyone to grow up...are you the pot or the kettle?
I asked nicely how did you get 16hp gains from the exhaust alone...i guess you totally skipped that question because it wasn't confrontational (sp) enough for you? or maybe it's the fact that you just don't know what you're talking about and wanted to start something here? i don't know...the trend here is when people "talk" about the mods...they usually don't have it.
so go ahead...let's see some of the mods and the work you have done.
I asked nicely how did you get 16hp gains from the exhaust alone...i guess you totally skipped that question because it wasn't confrontational (sp) enough for you? or maybe it's the fact that you just don't know what you're talking about and wanted to start something here? i don't know...the trend here is when people "talk" about the mods...they usually don't have it.
so go ahead...let's see some of the mods and the work you have done.
Originally Posted by jonmandude
Gentlemen, First let us understand that a gasoline engine is a fuel powered air pump. How much air it can take in, and how quickly it can get that air back out creates horsepower. Horsepower is the measurement of how efficiently the engine gets this done. To gain horsepower one adjusts the intake, compression and exhaust. Sounds simple. As I have done by a lot of machine work. Forged connecting rods and pistons, bigger valves (which I machined out of larger valves since you can't buy them), Balance and blueprinting the recipricating mass. a full polish and porting of the heads, a three angle valve grinding, surfacing the heads to increase compression, I also polished the intake inside to cut down on turbulance, And I machined the throttle body to open it up. The exhaust is a full exhaust from exhaust manifolds back 2.5" all the way. I tried headers and they actually flowed worse than stock manifolds so I polished the inside of those. I am not the best welder so I may still get someone to fabricate some headers. Does that answer enough? And FYI, NOS can be easily T'd into a fuel line. It doesn't matter what system you use they are all basically the same and you have to fill it with the same nitrous.
To all of you that flamed me.
Look, an adult shows respect, expresses skepticism, and asks questions. A punk cries bull**** and says prove it. And only an ******* sends a message to your private email and calls you a liar! No one responds well to being put on the defensive. You must first show respect to get it. Why would anyone go out to a site full of peers and lie? I could just as easily list parts and there is no way for you to know if it is factual. I could display a dyno sheet, any dyno sheet, wouldn't prove anything. What would be the point? I think people who take videos of them abusing their cars are fools. I love my car, why would I abuse it?
Thus concludes the lesson for today.
To all of you that flamed me.
Look, an adult shows respect, expresses skepticism, and asks questions. A punk cries bull**** and says prove it. And only an ******* sends a message to your private email and calls you a liar! No one responds well to being put on the defensive. You must first show respect to get it. Why would anyone go out to a site full of peers and lie? I could just as easily list parts and there is no way for you to know if it is factual. I could display a dyno sheet, any dyno sheet, wouldn't prove anything. What would be the point? I think people who take videos of them abusing their cars are fools. I love my car, why would I abuse it?Thus concludes the lesson for today.
08-26-2005 | 02:29 PM
#56
Yes, I know that is the funny part --- but what i was trying to convey was that either he is just trying too hard to sound like he knows something, or that he really does know something but he just does not want to say anything because of the way he is being treated.
i lean toward the latter, but hey, who knows...
i lean toward the latter, but hey, who knows...
08-26-2005 | 06:01 PM
#59
I miss my VE
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,553
From: NY
I really don't find much wrong with the GT-R logos. Originally, "GT-R" was like a racing class or something. Not a logo for a Skyline. It's true that, that specific GT-R logo is for a Skyline, but the fact of the matter is, I think hes just trying to represent Nissan's GT-R involvement and show his car is "sporty" or on it's way to the GT-R class, thats all. Since he was probably too lazy to fab up his own GT-R logo, he just popped one off a Skyline cause it looks type sexy. I really don't think he was goin "rice" when he put that there. I personally, wouldn't do that, but on the other hand, I wouldn't do what he did to his VG(from what he says anyway).
Edit:
Because it's a very nice looking car to some people. And there aren't too many FWD sporty sedans out there that I can honestly say look sweeter then the 3rd gen. Even the ones that cost alot more. Who ever designed this shell was definatly inspired. Surely not the guy whos designing the new BMWs 
Edit:
Originally Posted by Nocheez
Who the hell would waste that much time and money on a 3rd gen Maxima? I know he didn't, but who would want to? I like my grocery-getter. It's fast enough to be enjoyable to drive, and still gets better mileage than my Supra. But I don't kid myself, and wouldn't imagine wasting that kind of time money on my daily driver.
If you want to go fast, start with a better base.
If you want to go fast, start with a better base.
08-26-2005 | 07:23 PM
#60
"Being in Wisconsin, where few have actually seen a Skyline except in video games and magazines, I often get asked if it is a Skyline. I proudly say "no. it's a Maxima."
^^^is it me or doesn't his plate say Texas on it??? clean car looks better than my white '89 SE and im even jealous on how clean his engine looks but then again everything seems to be BS. now the man wants to install R-33 tails so that he can make it go with the GT-R emblem
. im not gonna say anything about the tails cuz i have my R-33's in my trunk but im doin' it to just be original or maybe just sell them to a ricer but i'll just sit back and enjoy this lovely thread 
.
^^^is it me or doesn't his plate say Texas on it??? clean car looks better than my white '89 SE and im even jealous on how clean his engine looks but then again everything seems to be BS. now the man wants to install R-33 tails so that he can make it go with the GT-R emblem
. im not gonna say anything about the tails cuz i have my R-33's in my trunk but im doin' it to just be original or maybe just sell them to a ricer but i'll just sit back and enjoy this lovely thread .
08-29-2005 | 09:52 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by bibidily
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i apoligize but i have to post 15 replys before i can start a new thread. dont yell at me please
i apoligize but i have to post 15 replys before i can start a new thread. dont yell at me please
08-29-2005 | 09:58 AM
#63
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Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 206
this guy reminds me a couple years back of a guy whos claiming that his max had 235hp. even showed a paper copy of "his dyno" but not the actual car on dyno.
08-29-2005 | 11:53 AM
#64
Originally Posted by jonmandude
Sounds simple. As I have done by a lot of machine work. Forged connecting rods and pistons, bigger valves (which I machined out of larger valves since you can't buy them), Balance and blueprinting the recipricating mass. a full polish and porting of the heads, a three angle valve grinding, surfacing the heads to increase compression, I also polished the intake inside to cut down on turbulance, And I machined the throttle body to open it up. The exhaust is a full exhaust from exhaust manifolds back 2.5" all the way. I tried headers and they actually flowed worse than stock manifolds so I polished the inside of those. I am not the best welder so I may still get someone to fabricate some headers. Does that answer enough? And FYI, NOS can be easily T'd into a fuel line. It doesn't matter what system you use they are all basically the same and you have to fill it with the same nitrous.
Balanced the engine? why bother if you're not going to increase rev limit? (in which there's no point unless you add new cams and springs) It's not going to gain any power unless you can spin the rotating mass faster and not throw things off the assembly. Then it goes back to the crappy intake manifold design that runs cyls 2 and 5 rich, 3 and 3 about stoich, and 1 and 6 lean. No point in raising the rev limit if you're just going to self-destruct the engine because it can't flow enough air to the proper cylinders. you should have redesigned the intake manifold, not polish it.
The VG30E comes with a 3 angle valve job from the factory, BTW.
How did you fix the cam timing problems after you shaved the heads?
And T'ing NAWZ into a fuel line isn't exactly smart... Please explain to me how you got the injectors to spray the proper amount of fuel/nitrous into the engine to mix with air...... especially when you're pumping a high pressure GAS into a line full of gasoline that is plumbed with a full recirculating, pressure-regulated system. in that case, you're just squirting nitrous into your fuel tank! good going, genius!
08-29-2005 | 01:09 PM
#67
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
There's a big difference between spraying more fuel and pumping nitrous into the line. The way he was saying it above was that he was injecting nitrous into his fuel line, not installing a wet setup.
He would have to be retarded (maybe he is?) to spray into the fuel line.
It would really mess up the fuel system.
08-29-2005 | 01:10 PM
#68
Um let's not overestimate this guy's knowledge here. All we have as of today, are pics of a white maxima, painted engine bay and some GTR stickers. 
All we have as of today, are pics of a white maxima, painted engine bay and some GTR stickers.
Originally Posted by 505max94se
Yeah, but I think he just said it incorrectly.
He would have to be retarded (maybe he is?) to spray into the fuel line.
It would really mess up the fuel system.
He would have to be retarded (maybe he is?) to spray into the fuel line.
It would really mess up the fuel system.
08-29-2005 | 01:46 PM
#70
Jeff, it's probably time to lock this thread. The guy doesn't want to post and continue getting pwn3d.
Obviously, he is just blowing a lot of smoke, trying to cover his lies with a lot of gibberish he cut and pasted from google searching "engine horsepower."
No one I can recall has put down over 200 whp on ANY n/a 3rd gen, let alone a VG autotragic. Besides, he is claiming bhp (brake horse power) and the only way to measure that is with the engine out of the car, on a very expensive engine dyno. Otherwise, he would have stated his whp.
Obviously, he is just blowing a lot of smoke, trying to cover his lies with a lot of gibberish he cut and pasted from google searching "engine horsepower."
No one I can recall has put down over 200 whp on ANY n/a 3rd gen, let alone a VG autotragic. Besides, he is claiming bhp (brake horse power) and the only way to measure that is with the engine out of the car, on a very expensive engine dyno. Otherwise, he would have stated his whp.
08-29-2005 | 02:09 PM
#71
If he comes clean and admits he is all talk, I'll consider it. 
I think Matt had a dyno sheet of him coming REALLY close to 200 fwhp.
Frankly, the 247 bhp, was most likely just something he read on some other forum. Probably doesn't even know what it means.
I think Matt had a dyno sheet of him coming REALLY close to 200 fwhp.
Frankly, the 247 bhp, was most likely just something he read on some other forum. Probably doesn't even know what it means.
Originally Posted by Cliff Clavin
Jeff, it's probably time to lock this thread. The guy doesn't want to post and continue getting pwn3d.
Obviously, he is just blowing a lot of smoke, trying to cover his lies with a lot of gibberish he cut and pasted from google searching "engine horsepower."
No one I can recall has put down over 200 whp on ANY n/a 3rd gen, let alone a VG autotragic. Besides, he is claiming bhp (brake horse power) and the only way to measure that is with the engine out of the car, on a very expensive engine dyno. Otherwise, he would have stated his whp.
Obviously, he is just blowing a lot of smoke, trying to cover his lies with a lot of gibberish he cut and pasted from google searching "engine horsepower."
No one I can recall has put down over 200 whp on ANY n/a 3rd gen, let alone a VG autotragic. Besides, he is claiming bhp (brake horse power) and the only way to measure that is with the engine out of the car, on a very expensive engine dyno. Otherwise, he would have stated his whp.
08-29-2005 | 04:59 PM
#72
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
There's a big difference between spraying more fuel and pumping nitrous into the line. The way he was saying it above was that he was injecting nitrous into his fuel line, not installing a wet setup.
that would make me go so much faster!
08-29-2005 | 05:25 PM
#74
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
If he comes clean and admits he is all talk, I'll consider it.
I think Matt had a dyno sheet of him coming REALLY close to 200 fwhp.
Frankly, the 247 bhp, was most likely just something he read on some other forum. Probably doesn't even know what it means.
I think Matt had a dyno sheet of him coming REALLY close to 200 fwhp.
Frankly, the 247 bhp, was most likely just something he read on some other forum. Probably doesn't even know what it means.
I was only about 175hp, but 19x on TQ...
I bet I would have 200+ on both if I had the stock IM on it. I bored one out and I think I bored it so big that I lost velocity. there is an obvious loss of top end power.
when I get the new engine built, I will be dyno'ing both manifolds to see which one makes more power... between the two and the other small tweaks I'm planning for the engine, I'm sure I'll see over 200 at the wheels.
08-29-2005 | 06:22 PM
#75
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
I was only about 175hp, but 19x on TQ...
I bet I would have 200+ on both if I had the stock IM on it. I bored one out and I think I bored it so big that I lost velocity. there is an obvious loss of top end power.
when I get the new engine built, I will be dyno'ing both manifolds to see which one makes more power... between the two and the other small tweaks I'm planning for the engine, I'm sure I'll see over 200 at the wheels.
I bet I would have 200+ on both if I had the stock IM on it. I bored one out and I think I bored it so big that I lost velocity. there is an obvious loss of top end power.
when I get the new engine built, I will be dyno'ing both manifolds to see which one makes more power... between the two and the other small tweaks I'm planning for the engine, I'm sure I'll see over 200 at the wheels.
Sorry, Shawn -- no dyno sheet, no care
08-29-2005 | 06:30 PM
#76
there are others out there.. lots of others..
I was talking to my machine shop the other day (who just happens to specialize in HIGH hp Nissans- whether Z31, Z32, Z33, S13, S14, blah blah blah). They have a set of torque plates for the VG30DE and I told them I thought the VE could use the same one.. "doesn't matter. we have one for the VE. we do about half a dozen a month. JWT sends their VE blocks to us for the machine work. We've seen some crazy power come out of some of them."
I was talking to my machine shop the other day (who just happens to specialize in HIGH hp Nissans- whether Z31, Z32, Z33, S13, S14, blah blah blah). They have a set of torque plates for the VG30DE and I told them I thought the VE could use the same one.. "doesn't matter. we have one for the VE. we do about half a dozen a month. JWT sends their VE blocks to us for the machine work. We've seen some crazy power come out of some of them."
08-29-2005 | 06:43 PM
#77
Originally Posted by Cliff Clavin
OK, then there will be one modded n/a VE that puts out just a little over 200 at the wheels on a dyno.
Sorry, Shawn -- no dyno sheet, no care
Sorry, Shawn -- no dyno sheet, no care
no secret sauce no care
08-29-2005 | 06:55 PM
#78
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Hey matt while we are on the subject, Could I swap the heads and cams and stuff off a VG30DETT onto my VG30E? Im going to put a turbo on and I was thinking maybe they are better optimised for FI. Or if not do you know if the VG30ET cams have a better grind for FI compared to the VG30E cams? Or if you know of any VG parts that might fit and are good for FI LMK. I know the pistons will fit but I want the 9:1 CR
~Alex
~Alex
08-29-2005 | 07:03 PM
#79
Originally Posted by Alex_V
Hey matt while we are on the subject, Could I swap the heads and cams and stuff off a VG30DETT onto my VG30E? Im going to put a turbo on and I was thinking maybe they are better optimised for FI. Or if not do you know if the VG30ET cams have a better grind for FI compared to the VG30E cams? Or if you know of any VG parts that might fit and are good for FI LMK. I know the pistons will fit but I want the 9:1 CR
~Alex
~Alex
Here we go again....
08-29-2005 | 07:10 PM
#80
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Oh bite me. Im just trying to think out side the box to improve performance. If no one did that where would engine swaps come from? What about new parts, if matt didnt think about new parts then he wouldnt have blemco. If you not going to be helpful just dont reply. (oh and Im going to donate tomorrow so I can start searching)
~Alex
~Alex