What do you guys think?
From an email I got from someone asking me for info on E36 swaps.
Hi Brock,

I understand your skepticism. But it is possible to get that kind of horsepower easily. the engine stock is around 160hp (it actually produces slighty more when tuned propoerly, about 162). Getting an additional 80hp is not that hard to achieve, the exhaust alone is a proven 16hp gain. Beyond that is proving to be very difficult. I didn't list all I have done, I don't see the need to go on and on. I have had the ECU reworked by Jet, the injectors upgraded, and I have done extensive work on the heads. I get 247.4bhp. The 15% loss is an average loss figure for rear drive cars, (Vipers lose only 10% for example), front drive vehicles it is slightly less and it varies from vehicle to vehicle. Some cars can lose up to 20%. It all depends on the drivetrain.

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under "My Maxima GT-R"

Now, how about a dyno sheet? no, not 1 on his page.
I call BS but am I just being overly harsh?

 

Dude is asking some pretty lame o questions and goes on WAYYYYYY to long about his "carbon fiber look windshield wipers" I think if he really knew enough to do what he has already, the awnsers to his questions would be self-aparent.

 

24hp gain in a VG auto and he will still get smoked by a turtle with no legs

 

I am calling

There is no way without a turbo that his engine is anywhere near 247 hp at the flywheel (bhp = brake horse power is measured by an engine brake dyno). That would still be over 200 at the wheels. Besides, where would this guy have access to an uber-expensive engine brake dyno to perform the test? He would have also had to have the engine out of the car for that. Otherwise, he would have his whp from a chassis dyno. That is pretty much what everyone goes by once they start moddiing. IIRC, a modded VE puts down around 180 hp to the wheels.

 

yeah but the stock engine on a dyno will only make around 140hp, the 160 rating in on an engine dyno. so he claims +107hp? since his numbers are corrected? There are a lot of people out there that make assumptions on the power gains from mods.

 

I just looked at the second site and realized he claims 306 whp when he and a buddy "hooked up" a 75 shot of nitrous. Yeah, those nitrous kits just snap right in, like legos

 

With stock fuel pump, and it must have been one of the "smart" ones that adjusts fuel automatically, blah, blah, blah.

 

i want to see those "proven 16hp gains" from the exhaust alone.

 

I got an email stating he didn't reply because the thread was closed. I'd like to hear this explaination so I opened it back up. No excuses now right?

 

ok i would like to hear the story too

 

Little boys. With comments like "not with a stock fuel pump" and "Nitrous cannot just be connected" I do not feel the need to start explaining to you how to create horsepower. Obviously it would be a waste of my time. If you choose not to believe me I don't ****ing care. I showed Brock respect to share some knowledge and I was met with childish banter from ignorant little boys. Call bull**** all you want, you are only lying to yourselves.
DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE PERSONAL MESSAGES!!!!!!!

 

UM.. Who the HE|| are you?

 

we are just at a loss as to how u did this I suppose, and u state your claims are true. Fine thats awesome for you, those are very impressive numbers. Why not share how it has been done? Thats why you/we all became members, to learn and share tips. Lots of ppl have come around with claims and couldnt back them up. Hopefully u are differant and can shed some light on the hidden horsepower of the vg motor.
Thats all. No this wasnt started to flame you, or anyone. I just wanted the opinions of well respected orgers that "also" know what they are talking about.
I mean heck there are ppl here with much less power gains with videos to not just prove, but in a way to boast and impress. with your HP figures it would be great to watch u rip up a 2jzgte, or a 350. Comical even to see a V8 bow down to an old school max, maybe instill more pride in some of us about owning such a possible sleeper. Im quite happy with my car but hey, maybe some others need that little push to show what their cars "could do" and "how" it can be done.
Once again this wasnt meant as a flamer thread.

 

It looks pretty good after you simplified the rear section with only one gtr badge, tho Id leave the maxima badge there as alot of morons dont know a 3rd gen when it kills em!

Tho IMO a GTR is a rocket. Some minor porting and a nitrous setup doesnt mean a GTR to me, it means a 10psi turbo setup doing 325-400 FWHP, a crazy ride that looks hot. And your still rocking the auto too.

Lets get your dynos straight. Are you claiming 300 fly wheel HP or FW HP? Of thats flywheel your at about 255 FWHP. Or if thats FWHP thats something like 360 HP. Any way sounds like you have a full exaust (or do you have a cat back and stock y pipe?) intake filter, slight P&P job and a 75 shot. The 75 shot should be good for 70-80 fwhp, and the exaust and intake should make up about the rest. Pretty much sounds like a SE-R to me. Alot faster then stock, but not crazy fast. Though I give you props as the rims look good and it looks taken car of. Alot of nice personal touches. But do you have any thing else in store for it? Im going turbo on mine.

JW hows the nitrous setup? I havent heard any one running one untill you showed up.

~Alex

 

If "explaining how to create hp" is "a waste of your (my) time. then get off our board, off the org and go live in a hollow under a bridge. We are all here sharing, I know it's "not worth your time" to tell what you know, but when you come here spouting off all your going to get is negativity.

To break it down......... Don't be an a$$. If you have done all of this, then open up, help a brother, or two out!!!

One more thing..... It is ALWAYS worth your time to teach. "It is by teaching that we learn"

By the way GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

All I read here is:

"blah blah blah blah blah blah...I am full of hot air but no proof...blah blah"

 

The has spoken. (always wanted to say that)

 

More like "blah blah GTR badge blah blah JET ecu blah... no need to even read any further....

 

I was bored, so I decided to pay attention to this thread.

hello there

Ever run a dry shot on a stock fuel pump? hell even a wet setup, I wouldn't really trust a stocker, unless you are doing it ghetto. Also to properly plumb a kit and hook everything up correctly (read a clean, quality install) does take some planning, but dont worry, since I doubt you are running a wet direct port setup with only a 75 shot, it makes things easier.

What I do find funny is how you used a Jet chip, and think it is actually doing jack for your ECU, but don't worry, It isn't like I have ever had a SAFC-II or any type of real tuning device hooked up to my car... you know, the kinds that actually make power. I need to be schooled in engine tuning aswell.



Judging by the cardomain, it seems like you have a stock mid-pipe with a cone filter (with a metal cover or something over it at that), not some carbon fiber CAI. Also it seems you think the Ebay printed vinyl carbon fiber is the same thing as real carbon fiber... you know, the woven sheets which you form and use resin on....

400whp is going to take some serious $$$, can't be done on a budget, which it appears you are on... I mean why go with GR2's when you can go with atleast Tokico Blue's or Koni Red's. It seems like you should take some pride in your car, really, why would you label it a skyline. Don't be ashamed of those beautiful VG Nissan Maxima badges, wear them with pride! I do compliment the Exel wheels from WheelMax.com, great wheels the budget bench racer. I'm surprised you are running nitrous though. What brand? Trunk pics? Solenoid pics? Jet pics? what gauges? Autometer Air Fuel should be a given . Dont worry though, you should be ok with only a 75 shot on that VG Auto without a cooler upgrade or valve body mod. Anything above that for that shot is worthless. It is kind of insulting though, not even an MSD box.

I guess my favorite parts was the 2hp increase from ECU tuning, yet the 16hp increase from exhaust. Not to mention the drivetrain losses. What's next, you dyno'd the car on a Mustang Dyno and it weighs 4000lbs?

Really Sir, I need to be schooled on making power with these cars. Is that Durango modded by chance? I don't know anything about those either

 

The nice gtR -badge alone easily propels out the 80hp+.

I am bewildeRed: how on earth u manage get that .4? What could be u secRet...

 

Hahaha, pretty much you'll get smoked by anything except a Volvo 240 or a Saturn S1.

 

I convinced my wife to run my VG auto in her SL1 before we sold it. Pretty much an even match.

 

When I had my VG, I stayed with an old Ferrari Testerossa for a few feet when I caught him off gaurd at a light!

 

i beat a 2001 Dodge intrepid........ i heard that GT-R badge gives you a twin turbo and you can beat a skyline.....

as you can see here he created a new name just to flame at us.......we can find out who he is.... remember there are ip addresses......but who would waste their time on that looser?

 

Gentlemen, First let us understand that a gasoline engine is a fuel powered air pump. How much air it can take in, and how quickly it can get that air back out creates horsepower. Horsepower is the measurement of how efficiently the engine gets this done. To gain horsepower one adjusts the intake, compression and exhaust. Sounds simple. As I have done by a lot of machine work. Forged connecting rods and pistons, bigger valves (which I machined out of larger valves since you can't buy them), Balance and blueprinting the recipricating mass. a full polish and porting of the heads, a three angle valve grinding, surfacing the heads to increase compression, I also polished the intake inside to cut down on turbulance, And I machined the throttle body to open it up. The exhaust is a full exhaust from exhaust manifolds back 2.5" all the way. I tried headers and they actually flowed worse than stock manifolds so I polished the inside of those. I am not the best welder so I may still get someone to fabricate some headers. Does that answer enough? And FYI, NOS can be easily T'd into a fuel line. It doesn't matter what system you use they are all basically the same and you have to fill it with the same nitrous.

To all of you that flamed me. Look, an adult shows respect, expresses skepticism, and asks questions. A punk cries bull**** and says prove it. And only an ******* sends a message to your private email and calls you a liar! No one responds well to being put on the defensive. You must first show respect to get it. Why would anyone go out to a site full of peers and lie? I could just as easily list parts and there is no way for you to know if it is factual. I could display a dyno sheet, any dyno sheet, wouldn't prove anything. What would be the point? I think people who take videos of them abusing their cars are fools. I love my car, why would I abuse it?

Thus concludes the lesson for today.

 

That's alot of talk. But unfortunately what your described WON'T get you that hp. What size did you make the valves to??

Oh wait, how about a dyno? Because you just claimed 247hp. Now who just pulls exactly 247hp? How about a dyno sheet?

You aren't even close to impressing me with your "engine" or your knowlege. Sorry.

 

I can already see that this is pointless.

 

I can see from the very beginning that we were NEVER going to get any specific information about this WONDERFUL 247hp engine!

All you are spewing is just bs you make up. No pics, no dyno and about 15 different totally bs explainations.

Entertaining for the rest of us. Which was the point of this thread.
You clearly have the ability to post pictures. You have great pictures of your slightly modded maxima on the net. But you seem to have left out all the best parts of your modifications!

 

No, it is certaintly not pointless. Your lying, idiotic explanations, and worthless pics of your very old and slow Maxima are very entertaining, especially given that your profile lists your age as 40. Behavior such as yours on this forum is usually displayed by the teenage crowd, not someone in your age group. Thanks for the laughs, keep up the good work.

 

Here's a little gem from that site from our master mechanic,
Yes, what about that automatic trans light flywheel huh?

 

in order to significantly increase the power to your alleged level, you would need cams swapped, I didn't notice any mention of that.

You are correct that a 75 shot can beasily installed, and you won't need significantly more fuel if your car is in top tune.

As others have stated a dyno sheet would help to clear things up.
I'd assume you have dyno'd the car based on the #s being claimed.

You can bring the car down to chicago and I'll get you dyno'd no cost to you.

 

maybe on a 4th gen with headers to tip might get 16 hp

 

Who the hell would waste that much time and money on a 3rd gen Maxima? I know he didn't, but who would want to? I like my grocery-getter. It's fast enough to be enjoyable to drive, and still gets better mileage than my Supra. But I don't kid myself, and wouldn't imagine wasting that kind of time money on my daily driver.

If you want to go fast, start with a better base.

 

uhhhh, 75 shot is almost a 50% increase in horsepower for that engine. I would not trust a stock fuel pump to that task.


To safely run and tune nitrous... being safe, doing a quality job, using quality parts will put you back atleast $1000-1200 on these cars.


also on your offer, I would put a clause on there that the car must make atleast 200hp at the front wheels or you wont pick up the bill.

 

uhhh I did
but even more than this guy has, even if all his claims are true.

 

thanks for the howstuffworks quote
Please sir, explain the negitive part of surfacing the head
What brand rods and pistons?
hell brand and part numbers for all the parts?
lastly, you forgot Valvesprings. But dont worry, those stock exhaust manifolds are great when trying to make power.

O RLY now? pics?
How did you test their flow
what brand headers?

nope
oh snap! that's what I was doing wrong
So where are the pics? what brand?

I give it 5/10, average back pedal. It's not hard to post pics. Don't even bother posting a dyno since you've pretty much said it wont be of your car.

 

the 3rd gen forum ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Let's give this guy some credit. Most of the liars on this forum just talk about their turbo and their broken camera. At least this clown went to the trouble of picking and choosing technical terms and posting quotes from howstuffworks.

 

He forgot about valvesprings and titanium retainers, thats


although the carbon fiber is comedy gold right thur, i dont care who yer are

 

If you guys really want to dig into the dude, ***** up that forum.. Not this one. You might want to ask about that SR20DET powered Nissan hardbody that he did a good 10 years ago.

http://modified.com/forum/