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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 08:40 AM
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JDM Motor swap and reliability.....Wise investment???

I'm in the process of replacing my VE motor since a rebuild isnt the most cost effective solution. (my VE=107K)

How reliable have the JDM replacement motors been? Barring the suggested replacement in the threads here (water, pump seals etc) what else has been replaced AFTER THE SWAP? (Dollar value or the name of the parts would suffice)

Has anyone had regrets about the swap, also, what's the avg. mileage driven after the replacement?

Thanks for your input.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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whats wrong with your current VE?
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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i put a jdm one about 2 months ago, and is working just fine. it feels very strong even sounds diferent.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 09:13 AM
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whats wrong with your current VE?


Car appeared to have "jumped timing". Broken crankshaft sprocket or idler sprocket, bent valves, busted upper timing chain cover, busted VTC (the pc. thats just before the huge bolt (pardon me if my descriptions arent the best).

For me to rebuild the motor would mean replacing all the valves (even though most are excellent) replacing the entire timing chain set (sprockets, chains tensioners guides) rebuilding BOTH VTC's, waterpump gaskets etc. ALL or MOST of the parts would be OEM replacement and thats where it really adds up.


Thanks for the input espimax.
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What did reading the stickies tell you?
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 09:36 AM
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Aint nuttin like answering a question with another.

To answer yours "What did reading the stickies tell you?

Not enough, hence my question.

Thanks for the "thought provoking" ????.
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Really don't understand the "after the swap" question. At this point since these cars are so old, parts that needed to be swapped AFTER, would be a case by case basis. If you replace all items mentioned in the stickies, you shouldn't have to replace anything "after". Covered in the stickies.

How long you engine "lasts" is highly dependant on how well you choose the engine in the 1st place. Covered in the stickies

Also, more than one member has commented on how his JDM swap is performing. Try search. Or donate and search. Spend $20 now, save $100s later. Think about that.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:14 AM
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I'm in the process of replacing my VE motor since a rebuild isnt the most cost effective solution. (my VE=107K)

How reliable have the JDM replacement motors been? Barring the suggested replacement in the threads here (water, pump seals etc) what else has been replaced AFTER THE SWAP? (Dollar value or the name of the parts would suffice)

Really don't understand the "after the swap" question. At this point since these cars are so old, parts that needed to be swapped AFTER, would be a case by case basis. If you replace all items mentioned in the stickies, you shouldn't have to replace anything "after". Covered in the stickies.

How long you engine "lasts" is highly dependant on how well you choose the engine in the 1st place. Covered in the stickies


Also, more than one member has commented on how his JDM swap is performing. Try search. Or donate and search. Spend $20 now, save $100s later. Think about that.


Your question was "what did the stickies say" rather than ask me for a clarification about (After The Swap) I've perused the stickies and have insufficient information hence my post.

If you allow me to clarify…
By AFTER I mean what parts have been replaced AFTER THE SWAP BARRING THE ITEMS COVERED IN THE STICKIES.( I clearly stated such )
( WHAT PARTS WERE DEFECTIVE eg timing chain , sprocket etc. )

Understandly, the cars are old and and it would be a case by case basis. So John Doe may not have similar problem like Tom and Harry. However, it would behoove me to have an idea of what problems they all had (Hence my question). If theres a database of past problems that’s purely related to JDM motors then an educated deduction can be made.

Ive thought about the donation and it will be done this weekend. (destroyed the credit cards so now one has to be borrowed) .Thanks for the reminder.

Thanks for your input.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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You claim to have read the sticky. But your question and list of replacement parts suggest you didn't read the sticky. As your replacement list is far shorter than what's mentioned in the sticky. So actually, you were NOT very clear.

Bad timing chains/sprockets are a function of each individual motor vs being a JDM specific problem. If anything JDM specific problems ARE mentioned in the sticky, futher reinforcing my opinion that you did not read or read fully the sticky provided.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Jeff is right.

You should read through the sticky about JDM swaps again. You don't even need to pay to search. It's all in one thread.

here is a link:

JDM swap info

There is specific info as to what needs to be changed over, what items should be replaced while the engine is out of the car and other tips to help you out.

There are probably a dozen guys that have put a JDM VE in their car with lots of help from the info in the stickies.

Just remember that JDM engines are still used engines. Some companies offer some type of warranty and that is helpful.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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This is already in the stickies but I'll just say it again

This is what I would do, it's not the cheapest route, but it is the best (IMHO)

Fluids- Drain and flush the engine.
Exhaust Studs- Replace them
Knock Sensor- Replace the Knock Sensor and harness.
Intake Manifold- Swap for a VI manifold if needed. Clean Upper and Lower intake manifolds, along with the Throttle Body.
Valve Cover Gaskets- Inspect valve train (don't forget the chains and tensioners). Replace gaskets. I tend to remove the oil pan then throw some oil over the valvetrain and clean the drain holes, then pour a little more on. Completely unnecessary, I like to be thorough.
VTC's- Up to you. Right now is the most convenient time to do them though.
Water Pump- Replace the Water Pump, Thermostat, and Hoses.
Fuel and Vacuum Lines- Replace them
Filters and Emissions- Replace the Fuel filter, Air filter, Oil filter, PCV valve. Clean the EGR valve, IACV assembly, and valve cover vent tube.
Bottom End Seals- Replace the oil pan, front main, and rear main seals. Replace oil pan drain bolt.
Electrical Connections and Sensors- Inspect and clean terminals. Follow up when installing, apply dielectric grease.

Make sure you torque everything to spec, in sequence. Use antiseize and thread locker where appropriate.

probably forgot some stuff, oh well.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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"Gawd" help me

Jade,Calvin and Mr.Gone thanks for the replies. Mr. Gone I do have a complete list of the parts you just mentioned including the TSB's.

You claim to have read the sticky. But your question and list of replacement parts suggest you didn't read the sticky. As your replacement list is far shorter than what's mentioned in the sticky. So actually, you were NOT very clear. How reliable have the JDM replacement motors been? Barring the suggested replacement in the threads here (water, pump seals etc) what else has been replaced AFTER THE SWAP? (Dollar value or the name of the parts would suffice)
Notice the word ETC. MAYBE it means the other parts that weren’t mentioned?

et cet•er•a
Abbr. etc.
And other unspecified things of the same class; and so forth
1. A number of unspecified persons or things.
2. etceteras Additional odds and ends; extras.


One doesn’t need a Phd to answer the question. YOUR first reply is “What did the stickies say”? Your second reply is “you really didn’t understand the after the swap question”.
If you didn’t clearly understand what I initially asked, why did you even mention the stickies? MAYBE you should have asked for clarification.

You pointed out that I didn’t read or read the stickies fully, yet you couldn’t understand a simple question.
The question again is “ What else has been replaced AFTER the swap. It means after you’ve installed your JDM engine, what other parts did you have to replace. FURTHERMORE, If I hadn’t read the stickies properly MAYBE I was hoping and/ or expecting the more knowledgeable members to reiterate or explain what I misunderstood.So much for expectations!!!!Blessed is he who expects nothing for he will NEVER be dissappointed

Lastly, your input is appreciated and enuff has been said. If it makes you feel any “bettuh. Nah ah aint read dah stikezz and yuh rite an I wrang”.Lets not waste bytes and bandwidth.
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Originally Posted by Brudda Bob
[B]Notice the word ETC. MAYBE it means the other parts that weren’t mentioned?
Like what?

FURTHERMORE, If I hadn’t read the stickies properly MAYBE I was hoping and/ or expecting the more knowledgeable members to reiterate or explain what I misunderstood.So much for expectations!!!!Blessed is he who expects nothing for he will NEVER be dissappointed
How could one really determine if you read it correctly/incorrectly? Since your summary of the subject is so very short? If you ALREADY had such a list, then it should be mentioned. The best way to get a complete answer is to ask a complete question. Just saying "etc" is not complete to me. But good luck with your swap. If it makes you feel any better, I wrote one of the large stickies that deal with the JDM swap. But you knew that

Lastly, your input is appreciated and enuff has been said. If it makes you feel any “bettuh. Nah ah aint read dah stikezz and yuh rite an I wrang”.Lets not waste bytes and bandwidth.
Write however you like.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Man why do you need a replacment so soon? You only have 107K on it. I have 215K on mine without ever swapping out and it still runs strong and I have never had any major problems. You should just keep driving that thing. Dude it's a NISSAN should I say anymore????!!!!
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chay2263
Man why do you need a replacment so soon? You only have 107K on it. I have 215K on mine without ever swapping out and it still runs strong and I have never had any major problems. You should just keep driving that thing. Dude it's a NISSAN should I say anymore????!!!!
Originally Posted by Brudda Bob
whats wrong with your current VE?


Car appeared to have "jumped timing". Broken crankshaft sprocket or idler sprocket, bent valves, busted upper timing chain cover, busted VTC...
does this answer your question??
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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blah blah blah
Brudda, you are really barking up the wrong tree. I see your need for support and asking questions, but even by using the free search, I have saved myself many grief filled moments by being flamed in the forums about not using search. It saves tons of grief and arguementative conversation.

Besides, you are brand new to the forum..you're entering on a very bad note..I mean at this moment you have 24 posts..
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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Jeff...drop it brudda..we can go on with this until thy kingdom come..check this out again...

futher reinforcing my opinion that you did not read or read fully the sticky provided

How could one really determine if you read it correctly/incorrectly?

Werent YOU the one that determined that I DIDNT READ it fully? Now youre saying how can one determine such? Dude, dont contradict yourself

Brudda, you are really barking up the wrong tree. I see your need for support and asking questions, but even by using the free search, I have saved myself many grief filled moments by being flamed in the forums about not using search. It saves tons of grief and arguementative conversation.

Besides, you are brand new to the forum..you're entering on a very bad note..I mean at this moment you have 24 posts..

Scriz…I can bark anywhere I want to just so long as I DON’T DISRESPECT ANYONE. Thus far, I don’t think I have. Expressing MY opinion/view is something that’s called “freedom of speech”. You wanna bark, I can bark back. Come good or don’t come at all. If YOURE afraid of the senior and revered members here I AM NOT.

I don’t have a problem “being flamed” but let it be for a good reason. Flaming is part of the learning process. However, come with concrete premises and facts or save the typing. The fact that I am new does not make me a prey for ANYONE .

True, I’m a newbie with only 24 posts. What does this have to do with the tea in China? If I chose to I could have posted a reply to EVERY single post that been here since I’ve joined. It would have been MAYBE about 500 I CHOSE NOT TO. Some people love to give their 2 bits about ANY OR EVERYTHING, whether they are knowledgeable about it or not. It hogs the resources on the server, it takes up useless space. (My humble opinion)

About entering on a bad note, that may be so but these things are part of life. Some may chose to assist me, other may decide to say hey, donate and use the search feature. Still other may say suck my...exhaust pipe! Either or it’s all good.

Personally, I LOVE this forum simple because it has tons of information. It’s the stuff that your mechanic, FSM or any other manual wouldn’t be able to always tell because it’s from a huge user base. I find this forum VERY informative and extremely helpful.

I “feel bad” not having donated because I’m aware of web administration costs and other overheads. It doesn’t come free and $20.00 is nothing compared to the information that can be acquired here. Everyone seems to be breaking their bank to upgrade their cars, but I see few people with the “I support maxima.org” sticky Are you ONE of those people Scrib?


Knowledge is “POWAH” and the information here is INVALUABLE.

BTW..
Is there ANYPLACE I can send the donation to rather than paying thru paypal?I dont have a CC. Hope this address information hasnt been posted in the stickies lest I hear
"What did the stickies tell you"?
One Love..

Peace out...
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 08:47 PM
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Brudda Bob
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Well its pretty obvious you use a good portion of your brain unlike most noobs. So what you need to do is take a nap (or sleep for the night w/e) and go read the sticky again. If you actually READ AND COMPREHEND each word in the sticky, and related/link threads Im 100% sure your ORGINAL questions would be answered. Then others would come, but from a more educated view.

Note to ALL noobs. We are tired of handing you everything on a silver plate. READ AND COMPREHEND the STICKIES

Thank you and GOOD NIGHT!!~Alex
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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Jeff's only done it 3-4 times, and wrote the sticky


pretty sure the info is there, and if it isn't, a search could find it.


and [*quote=username]message you are quoting[/quote]
(remove the *) is how you can quote people.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:01 AM
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Alex v ………….Well its pretty obvious you use a good portion of your brain unlike most noobs. So what you need to do is take a nap (or sleep for the night w/e) and go read the sticky again. If you actually READ AND COMPREHEND each word in the sticky, and related/link threads Im 100% sure your ORGINAL questions would be answered. Then others would come, but from a more educated view.

Note to ALL noobs. We are tired of handing you everything on a silver plate. READ AND COMPREHEND the STICKIES

Dude you are brighter than 10 blown light bulbs and probably wouldn’t know what part of speech the word comprehension is without seeking help.

Mr. Gone
This is already in the stickies but I'll just say it again
This is what I would do, it's not the cheapest route, but it is the best (IMHO)
Fluids- Drain and flush the engine.
Exhaust Studs- Replace them
Knock Sensor- Replace the Knock Sensor and harness.
Intake Manifold- Swap for a VI manifold if needed. Clean Upper and Lower intake manifolds, along with the Throttle Body.
Valve Cover Gaskets- Inspect valve train (don't forget the chains and tensioners). Replace gaskets. I tend to remove the oil pan then throw some oil over the valvetrain and clean the drain holes, then pour a little more on. Completely unnecessary, I like to be thorough.
VTC's- Up to you. Right now is the most convenient time to do them though.
Water Pump- Replace the Water Pump, Thermostat, and Hoses.
Fuel and Vacuum Lines- Replace them
Filters and Emissions- Replace the Fuel filter, Air filter, Oil filter, PCV valve. Clean the EGR valve, IACV assembly, and valve cover vent tube.
Bottom End Seals- Replace the oil pan, front main, and rear main seals. Replace oil pan drain bolt.
Electrical Connections and Sensors- Inspect and clean terminals. Follow up when installing, apply dielectric grease.

Instead of reposting that extensive list, I felt using the word ETC. would have sufficed. Especially after it’s already been posted in the stickies.


Jeff's only done it 3-4 times, and wrote the sticky

Mr. gone I have what Jeff along with what other members wrote regarding a swap (excellent write up’s). My question has NEVER been about the process of a swap and or PRIOR replacement parts. Those issues have been addressed umpteen times and I do have it.

I explicitly requested that the replacements parts suggested in the thread should be barred and or excluded because the “said” information has already been posted!!!

How reliable have the JDM replacement motors been?
Barring the suggested replacement in the threads here (water, pump seals etc) what else has been replaced AFTER THE SWAP? (Dollar value or the name of the parts would suffice)

I asked about AFTER THE SWAP which simply means AFTER the replacement motor has been installed. I do believe that even with the said replacements, members could have had random and or infrequent problems which ISNT PART OF THE “SAID” LIST.

A simple answer would have been
My motor has been like a rock, I drive it like a beast and it’s holding it’s own.
Another might have been…. mine is great with the exception of the frequent addition of oil.
And the list can go on….

Also, if this thread continues with "non-sensical" user comments ( like the noob and woof woof (barking up the tree remarks, can you or another administrator kindly delete it?

Thanks for the tip about quoting.

Lastly Mr. Gone is there an address where I can mail a donation? P.O Box or something? Pardon me here but I HAVENT have perused the forum for such info.

Thanks for the time, patience advice and lastly not jumping down my exhaust pipe with directions to the stickies.

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:29 AM
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Thanks for the tip about quoting.

Then why don't you use it...No one can understand your posts...
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You cant comprehend my post? Your just trying to start s---.

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So..has anyone actually answered his original question cuz I'm still waiting for an answer myself...I read the whole thread but I guess I must've missed out cuz of all the violence thats been going on in the 3rd gen forum..I know we should all donate as we all take advantage of the forum but It'd be nice to have a search feature without the donation like most forums, but then again I'll be donating soon so thats not a prob for me.

I wanna throw in another question now that we're on topic, well kinda..and hopefully this isnt in the stickies cuz I havent checked. Where else would you get a JDM engine beside ebay? are there specific places that have an extended warranty on them?
Old Mar 22, 2006 | 03:31 AM
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I'll stick to getting motors in the car still personally
Old Mar 22, 2006 | 09:54 AM
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It's in the stickies.

Originally Posted by ColombianMax
I wanna throw in another question now that we're on topic, well kinda..and hopefully this isnt in the stickies cuz I havent checked. Where else would you get a JDM engine beside ebay? are there specific places that have an extended warranty on them?
Old Mar 22, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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dang, well I'm go check then..
Old Feb 9, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
Erics Japan locally

I'll stick to getting motors in the car still personally

Is this a shop located on Elston near Drake? if so I got my tranny done on my Honda there and it was ****ty, always jerkin you and takin a while to shift.
Old Feb 9, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Jeff, no offend but you need to leave him alone

The stickies are a freaking zoo. Even myself, I could never find what I need. Donation do come in handy but this is a discussion board. We need more different inputs on each topic. Not that your writeup sucks, it indeed kicks **** but we need more ideas. That's the whole point of having a discussion board. Plus, this is a cool topic to talk about. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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