my bad, i thought he was talking about VG

 

I dont consider myself an expert in this thread, just experienced. I have owned my 92 SE 5 Speed since 1997. I just sold my 97 SE 5 Speed which I owned roughly 5 years. Both of them had nearly identical mods, from the prodotyped WSP SFCs which both cars were used at the testers, to the pop chargers, WSP Y, exhaust, everything was pretty much the same. When it came time to go with more power (I bought a Mustang) I had to let one go, after thinking VERY hard, I let the 97 loose from the stable. The 92 has a deeper soul, it wants to bang around on any kind of road and it wants to CLIMB AND CLIMB AND CLIMB on the top end. I also found it easier to work on than the VQ. I could write a book about the difference, from the ebrake in the leg, to the sloppy shifting the list goes on and on. I have had the VE PEGGED with hardly any mods 145+, the VQ would struggle after 110mph.

VEs ROCK!

 

I think after the M5, the VE5 should be the runner up for fastest four door sports car.

 

2002 3.5 5speed

 

Shoulda tried a VI. Thats a huge power adder for VQ's

~Alex

 

Also a PITA. It is not a "bolt on". Also, you lose low end, then what?

 

Is there such a thing?

 

I thought most of the guys with a VI got an ECU upgrade to help with the low end? All I know is that the some of the 4thGen guys are hitting 13s NA and they still have their interiors intact.

 

a lot of you guys keep saying you get your vg auto up to 125+. doesnt it have a speed limiter? i know mine is at 115 or so. its at the top end of 3rd gear and the car just 'pushes' against something. kinda like rocking back and forth. i still have all of 4th gear to go.....

 

the ve might feel faster, but its not. its all about the car and its weight distribution. just watch the speed gauge. that says it all. i like the 3rd gen body better, though. so give me a 5 speed VQ in a 3rd gen body. That would be badass.

 

good question, thats what i thought there has to be a speed limtor, ive hit 115, and like 4500 rpm in 5th, i would went faster but i had no tags no insurance.

no i wasent "street racing"


if it will go 140-150 stock thats fen sweeet

 

Yeah.......

 

ECU may help a small amount of low end, but it is mainly for the revlimit.

And yes N/A 4th gens are hitting 13s including one with a STOCK USIM.

 

You should know, you've ridden in my car before. SMART ***

 

That might be true in the quarter, but the top end of the VE is unquestionably stronger than the VQ.

 

I have to say that I have hit the top of the speedo at 140 with the tact still rising and held it for like 4 minutes, however at the time i happen to have had some of the worlds ****tiest tires on and blew out the rear drivers. Didnt so much blow it I guess but I had the tred come off down to the steel wires. Yeah so that wasnt as much fun and I havent ever gone near the top end again

 

ive had to 135 and thats a ve auto pulling hard all the way there

 

If you're going to keep doing that you ought to buy the rims and tires I had on it for a while--better speed rating.

 

back when I had my silver '90 vg5, I buried it at 125. My current '94 se auto runs out of steam at 140.

 

im on that got twins and sole provider budget, but as i am a professional painter we could talk trade some house painting for the rims, interior or exterior.

 

Yeah sure, that makes sense. What else?

 

With the MEVI you lose low end and it becomes worth while to get an ECU, but with the 00VI you gain even more High End and don't lose any low end, and you don't even need a new ECU to feel the power. I'd take a VQ w/ 00VI over a VE any day, and I've driven the VE quite a bit.



And BTW...my VG will do 140+ easily

 

Wrong on 3 levels...

1. The MEVI bolts-on in place of the USIM.

2. The MEVI causes a loss of mid-range torque, not low-end.

3. The 00VI might actually provide marginally better low-end and midrange than the USIM, while allowing for top-end power that a VE will never see mod for mod.

 

no more talking about things you have no experience with

 

More info on said VE making 215+ WHP with no internal modifications please...

 

I think you need to get owned by a VE over the weekend on top end. That will surely make you a believer.

 

What does that have to do with anything? Invalid post...


My point (in a nutshell) was that VQ+00VI > VE mod for mod. Care to dispute that?


FYI, the reason i made that post is because there is a VQ30DE with 00VI that made 220WHP with no internal modifications.

 

I think you need to get owned by a VE over the weekend on top end. That will surely make you a believer.-would love a photo of the facial expression after that one. MUHAHAHA

 

Don't take offense. Im just playin around. I mean I personally looooove owning VQ5s on the highway, but thats something else.

Really? 220whp all motor with no internals? What did they do?

 

Keyword here is might. You took a factory engineered and highly effective intake manifold and replaced the crappy factory piece. Considering that a stock VE has better top end that a stock VQ, and if, as you say, it was a mod for mod comparison and therefore the VE got a factory engineered and highly effective intake manifold upgrade, it should be obvious that VE top end > than VQ.

 

Wonder if a 00VI adapter could be made?

~Alex

 

What does this have to do with the statement that i made that included the word "might"?

The 00VI comes on a VQ series 3.0 motor last i checked. As does the MEVI. Furthermore.......

 

Aw shucks...i was hoping you guys would come up with some facts and figures...

 

I am saying that your comparision might be accurate but probably not.

You were talking about swapping intakes. Therefore, we were discussing a USDM VQ30DE, not a DE-K.

My point is that you are starting off with an unequal comparison. That is like me saying VE+FI > VQ mod for mod.

 

Tech talk > shit talk.

 

Hp means nothing when you can't drive. Either way it'll probably be a drivers race. In the long run it comes down to gearing and driver. The VQ is also lighter so that may give it the edge as the 4th gen is lighter but in the end stating that a car has 220whp means nothing. I took out a 98 accord V6 With VTEC but it was an auto on the highway in my vg auto (when I had it). From 40-100 I go it simply by turning my o/d off and killing the gas. It makes 40 more HP than me but that doesn't mean a thing. All in all take the cars to a track and find out with real numbers.

 

This discussion is about engines... so it (HP) does hold slight value in this thread.

 

Nice color. But lose the grille, it makes the car look VERY cheap looking. IMO

 

Ummmm you're wrong......

They're also comparing which is faster. So hp doesn't hold anything but a number value. That still doesn't mean the VQ is better than the VE because it makes 220hp with full boltons and the VE doesn't with the same mods. HP really isn't that much if the driver sucks and the tranny is geared ineffeciently. All I was stating was that there are more than HP that plays a part in this bench racing game that's being played. I am going to go off topic proving this again. A 1000hp supra can get whipped by a stock civic if the driver think he can launch 100% throttle at the rip of 1st gear then do the same thing through second and into third trying to use every single hp on a stock rear end. That equals no traction and a loss. See what I am saying.

Yes the 00VI adds mucho hp but is it gonna be useable going against a VE5 similarly modded?? That is what I am questioning.

 

How much HP was Matt putting down before he tore the hell out of his engine??? He had every bolton possible IIRC and was makin around 200+ hp on the VE.