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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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Here's a link to a place that sells the original injector connector pigtails.

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_CONNECT.asp
Old Oct 2, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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Update on injector to connector problem

Colinnwn,

Thanks for the info. I crimped all 6 connectors yesterday and reinstalled intake yesterday. Everything works fine now. The car runs very smoothly. I got the idea of crimping from you so it's your credit. My Maxima has 178,200 miles and it started to run rough in July this year. I bought this car new in Sept. 1989 and hate to get rid of it. If I had known Python's injector problem, either the pin being too short or its short life, I'd have gone for Nissan injectors. I first had 1 bad injector in cylinder 1. Two months later, cylinder 5 also got bad resistance. Did not check front bank initially. When I took things apart, cylinder 4 was also bad (high resistance). I decided to replace all 6. I hope my Python injectors last longer than yours. If they don't, I probably will buy Nissan's instead of getting a warranty replacement from Python. This is an area some 4-cylinder cars come with an advantage. You can replace injectors without removing so much stuff.
Old Oct 2, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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Not really. I sent my rail to RC Engineering and it looked like they just pried them out like I would have. I just used WD40 and a few screwdrivers. But you have to be really careful.



Originally Posted by 92 Max
If you have a shop in the area that does fuel injector cleaning (like the website mentioned above), and I assume you want to have the good ones cleaned, take the fuel rail in to them and they will probably pull them for you. They must have some magic way of doing it, because they pulled them out of the fuel rail, cleaned them and reinstalled them for me.
Old Oct 2, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Colinnwn,

Thanks for the info. I crimped all 6 connectors yesterday and reinstalled intake yesterday. Everything works fine now. The car runs very smoothly. I got the idea of crimping from you so it's your credit. My Maxima has 178,200 miles and it started to run rough in July this year. I bought this car new in Sept. 1989 and hate to get rid of it. If I had known Python's injector problem, either the pin being too short or its short life, I'd have gone for Nissan injectors. I first had 1 bad injector in cylinder 1. Two months later, cylinder 5 also got bad resistance. Did not check front bank initially. When I took things apart, cylinder 4 was also bad (high resistance). I decided to replace all 6. I hope my Python injectors last longer than yours. If they don't, I probably will buy Nissan's instead of getting a warranty replacement from Python. This is an area some 4-cylinder cars come with an advantage. You can replace injectors without removing so much stuff.
I wouldn't count on the python lasting, I think I've sold 1 set that didn't come back to me. that was why I dropped them from my site. I don't intentionally sell questionable parts.
I do have the Bosch (which IS the OEM) up on my site because they work perfectly. Haven't had a set of defective ones yet.
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vasy
Colinnwn,

Thanks for the info. I crimped all 6 connectors yesterday and reinstalled intake yesterday. Everything works fine now. The car runs very smoothly. I got the idea of crimping from you so it's your credit. My Maxima has 178,200 miles and it started to run rough in July this year. I bought this car new in Sept. 1989 and hate to get rid of it. If I had known Python's injector problem, either the pin being too short or its short life, I'd have gone for Nissan injectors. I first had 1 bad injector in cylinder 1. Two months later, cylinder 5 also got bad resistance. Did not check front bank initially. When I took things apart, cylinder 4 was also bad (high resistance). I decided to replace all 6. I hope my Python injectors last longer than yours. If they don't, I probably will buy Nissan's instead of getting a warranty replacement from Python. This is an area some 4-cylinder cars come with an advantage. You can replace injectors without removing so much stuff.
Vasy, assuming you have a 3rd gen with the original engine ... do you have a VE or VG engine?

BTW, if the intake could be routed in a way for optimal performance but easier access to the injectors, that would have been nice. I think it has more to do with design of components like the manifold than how many cylinders there are.

I've been working on the VG and nearly EVERYTHING is put together in a way I despise. I don't think I've seen such horrible arrangement in my life and I've worked on a lot of various engines.
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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TempMaxMan, mine is a 90 GXE, VG30E. You're correct. It doesn't really have to do with the number of cylinders, but rather with the design of the components. But it's much easier to design an easier-to-service car in a 4-cylinder-engine configuration than a V6. I really hope I don't have to take these things apart any time soon to replace the injectors.
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Colinnwn, I just checked PartsAmerica's website, they listed 2 Beck/Arnley injectors for 90 Maxima: 1580654 (new) for $105.99 + $8.99 core. This is what I got except I got them from Rockauto.com for $87 plus shipping. The second listing is 1550087 (reman) for $64.94 + $1 core. PartsAmerica might have changed their website pricing since your purchase. I was wondering if you can share your Beck/Arnley's part #? You said yours was new, not reman but you paid $66. I'm sure what you said is true to your knowledge but can't explain. They also listed Python's 630121 for $62.99 + $12 core. I called Python today and was told this part # is reman. Python does have a new one with this part # 630121N, not carried by PartsAmerica. The ones I got have Beck/Arnley part # 158-0654 on the injector's blue box with Beck/Arnley's name on the box. Thanks.
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Found a site with Reman injectors 7yr warrenty or 70,000mile for for 89-92 max 58$ each. Thinking of grabbing some for my max since I got a couple gone atm good thing car is gutted right now ;-)

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/bi...xima+1989-1992

ALSO have these there

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/pe...90&partid=8223

for 80$ non reman supposedly better then factory. Not sure though new to maximas just got first one so not enough research done yet.
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 04:55 AM
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Parts America has gone up. I got the 158-0654 injectors (both on invoice and box) for $57 each after $9 core refund. I was plesantly surprised that Parts America did honor the core charge even though the tops of my injectors were really chewed up.

@Deztro
If you don't value your own time, those reman injectors are a good deal with that kind of warranty. But I have talked to 3 injector people who strongly recommend against remans due to their exceptionally poor reliability.

As far as the "new" injectors, I would find out the name on the box and then ask around about the real manufacturer. I got new Beck-Arnleys and one died in less than a month. InternetAutomar said he quit carrying them (which are really rebranded Pythons) because only one of the sets he sold didn't come back for warranty.

Good luck on your decision.
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Deztro
Found a site with Reman injectors 7yr warrenty or 70,000mile for for 89-92 max 58$ each. Thinking of grabbing some for my max since I got a couple gone atm good thing car is gutted right now ;-)

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/bi...xima+1989-1992

ALSO have these there

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/pe...90&partid=8223

for 80$ non reman supposedly better then factory. Not sure though new to maximas just got first one so not enough research done yet.
Deztro - I will repeat for your benefit what has been said.
1. Reman/rebuilt injectors have OVER a 50% defect rate.
2. Most "new" injectors that are cheap are made by a company called Python, they use a part # 630-121N. they are readily identifiable by the hand etching on them (even though they are supposedly new)
3. if you plan on keeping the car at all BUY NEW BOSCH (or OE same part) ONLY!!! you spend the money only once and it is done.
4. not previously mentioned. when you buy the new injectors at most places you need to buy the o'rings seperately.
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 06:16 AM
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alright I will take the suggestion on OE or Bosch still havnt checked the Coil Packs for cracks so I am hoping that is the actual problem cause if it is an injector instead of replacing the 1 I am just gonna do all 6 at once so that I dont need to worry about another going down then road my brother is a mechanic for pontiac so I will have him do all the work free for me and he changed 1 injector on the car already and did it hassle free nothing broken so will also save whatever ones are good still.
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
Deztro - I will repeat for your benefit what has been said.
1. Reman/rebuilt injectors have OVER a 50% defect rate.
2. Most "new" injectors that are cheap are made by a company called Python, they use a part # 630-121N. they are readily identifiable by the hand etching on them (even though they are supposedly new)
3. if you plan on keeping the car at all BUY NEW BOSCH (or OE same part) ONLY!!! you spend the money only once and it is done.
4. not previously mentioned. when you buy the new injectors at most places you need to buy the o'rings seperately.
Does anyone know the difference between these 2 Bosch injectors? Both are listed for 90 Maxima at Rockauto.com.

BOSCH Part # 62005
With blue markings {Injection Valve} $98.89
BOSCH Part # 62006
With black markings {Injection Valve} $103.79
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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It used to be said to replace with whatever was in your car. But I read somewhere recently the flow rates and electrical characteristics are identical, so use whatever is available. Unfortunately I can't find the reference to that now.
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vasy
Does anyone know the difference between these 2 Bosch injectors? Both are listed for 90 Maxima at Rockauto.com.

BOSCH Part # 62005
With blue markings {Injection Valve} $98.89
BOSCH Part # 62006
With black markings {Injection Valve} $103.79
boy is their catalog obsolete then.
Internet auto supply is cheaper, and includes the o'rings

About 4 years ago Bosch superseded the 62006 to the 62005
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