who has the fastest VG?
Re: Re: Ummmmm......
Actually, I don't know if the VE would really benefit from cams too much. Considering any increase in lift or duration will hurt the low end(if not extremely careful), I would not really be for that. We already have varible cam timing and varible intake manifold volume.
Originally posted by dmontzmax
Ahhhh, I know I am overly tired. I was going off your post that said something about how the stage 2's would work better on a VE...I will shut up now because I cant even speak well right now.
Ahhhh, I know I am overly tired. I was going off your post that said something about how the stage 2's would work better on a VE...I will shut up now because I cant even speak well right now.
yeah he mentioned it didn't do much and he said it needed some custom modifications to work. since he elects not to elaborate, I ain't gonna be the beta tester. he also mentions they were not that great.
Originally posted by SkyMax
Maybe you should consider Z32 cams for you VE guys. Didn't Bryan H. have these in his 92 SE?
Maybe you should consider Z32 cams for you VE guys. Didn't Bryan H. have these in his 92 SE?
Originally posted by SkyMax
Maybe you should consider Z32 cams for you VE guys. Didn't Bryan H. have these in his 92 SE?
Maybe you should consider Z32 cams for you VE guys. Didn't Bryan H. have these in his 92 SE?
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
I'm no expert, but I've ridden in Max O/D's car and the improvements are VERY noticable....for example, say I floor my VG, it pulls clean up to 5100rpm or so and then BAM no more.....unless I'm racing a Civic or something
, the VG starts to fall behind quick and the power loss is a *****, BUT in Max O/D's car, the pull is continuous and clean up to around 6k or so(since his MSD is set at 6k limit I think). but according to my butt dyno the NIsmo cams definently bring life to the VG highend, maybe not as much as the JWT IIs might in a 5spd, but none the less, they pull strong all the way up to the 6ks!!
basically let me put it this way, on our way back from LSP meet this summer, he raced a VE auto(catback, y-pipe, UDP, tuned AFC, CAI) against his VG auto(catback, y-pipe, UDP, CAI, MSD unit, tuned AFC and ported manifolds)....on the open highway he consistently beat the VE throughout the whole RPM band and put a couple lengths on him into the 100's....now heres what I think, the VE he raced was a consistent 15.5-.6's car, so in a sense its qutie possible that Max O/D's car is either in the mid 15's right now even with a slipping trans! my guess is if he can fix up the trans pop in a highstall converter and VB he could indeed be doing some damage for the VG boys, but I'm not sure what path hes heading in now...
but Max O/D really knows his stuff and has done A LOT to his ride, but lately people were ragging on him about the "altezza" thing, so he kinda keeps a low profile on here, but the man knows his stuff, and could possibly have one of the "upcoming" fastest VG autos....
I'm no expert, but I've ridden in Max O/D's car and the improvements are VERY noticable....for example, say I floor my VG, it pulls clean up to 5100rpm or so and then BAM no more.....unless I'm racing a Civic or something
, the VG starts to fall behind quick and the power loss is a *****, BUT in Max O/D's car, the pull is continuous and clean up to around 6k or so(since his MSD is set at 6k limit I think). but according to my butt dyno the NIsmo cams definently bring life to the VG highend, maybe not as much as the JWT IIs might in a 5spd, but none the less, they pull strong all the way up to the 6ks!!basically let me put it this way, on our way back from LSP meet this summer, he raced a VE auto(catback, y-pipe, UDP, tuned AFC, CAI) against his VG auto(catback, y-pipe, UDP, CAI, MSD unit, tuned AFC and ported manifolds)....on the open highway he consistently beat the VE throughout the whole RPM band and put a couple lengths on him into the 100's....now heres what I think, the VE he raced was a consistent 15.5-.6's car, so in a sense its qutie possible that Max O/D's car is either in the mid 15's right now even with a slipping trans! my guess is if he can fix up the trans pop in a highstall converter and VB he could indeed be doing some damage for the VG boys, but I'm not sure what path hes heading in now...
but Max O/D really knows his stuff and has done A LOT to his ride, but lately people were ragging on him about the "altezza" thing, so he kinda keeps a low profile on here, but the man knows his stuff, and could possibly have one of the "upcoming" fastest VG autos....
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Re: Skymax, NIsmo, Jeff or anyoneelse.....
The only thing about gude cams is that they are regrinds but they charge new cam prices for. IMHO its best to get JWT cams, because the proper way to do a regrind is to start with new billets. New billets were $202 list at the local dealer. So thats about $400 for the new cores and $100-150 to regind. Now add in the cost of lifters $300 for 12 and its expensive. The install is a royal PITA and expensive. Here is a link to various cam specs below.
http://z31.com/cams.shtml
http://z31.com/cams.shtml
Originally posted by DA-MAX
what was the lift and duration on the JWT Stage IIs, cause I'm looking at the Gude VG30 cams and their setup looks pretty "aggressive"---> .500 and 228 and a 6.8k redline, compared to the NIsmo/Euro's .392, but another plus about the GUde package is that it comes complete with ported heads and intake, valve regrind and the cams for about $1300....seemes like a decent price considering JWT cams will run you $500, a good P&P on the intake will run you $3-500 and a valve regrind will run you some more loot...
what was the lift and duration on the JWT Stage IIs, cause I'm looking at the Gude VG30 cams and their setup looks pretty "aggressive"---> .500 and 228 and a 6.8k redline, compared to the NIsmo/Euro's .392, but another plus about the GUde package is that it comes complete with ported heads and intake, valve regrind and the cams for about $1300....seemes like a decent price considering JWT cams will run you $500, a good P&P on the intake will run you $3-500 and a valve regrind will run you some more loot...
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Don't do the VG30DE cams
The only difference is that they have more cam hieght (but smaller lifters so it equals out) than VE cams. The valve timing and duration is the same once the VTC are off. However the DE runs slightly more overlap when the VTC's are on though.
Originally posted by Jeff92se
yeah he mentioned it didn't do much and he said it needed some custom modifications to work. since he elects not to elaborate, I ain't gonna be the beta tester. he also mentions they were not that great.
yeah he mentioned it didn't do much and he said it needed some custom modifications to work. since he elects not to elaborate, I ain't gonna be the beta tester. he also mentions they were not that great.
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well .. .14 seconds isn't that fast unless you are doing solo i or drag racing a 15-16 second car is fast enough! besides think of all the "drivers" that these powerful vehicles are being launched haphazardly down the road by!
fro
unless you are doing solo i or drag racing a 15-16 second car is fast enough! besides think of all the "drivers" that these powerful vehicles are being launched haphazardly down the road by!fro
Originally posted by Chris91SE
well "less fast" = slow anymore. look at the cars coming out anymore. too many 14 second cars to count anymore
well "less fast" = slow anymore. look at the cars coming out anymore. too many 14 second cars to count anymore
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well you can look at 14's 2 different ways,i am impressed when i see a VG running 14's though i never have...thats a 2 second improvement over stock,which might not sound like much but really is a world of a difference,if you can muster up a 14.5 that means you could race a stock twin turbo 300ZX or stock twin turbo RX7,and either stick tight with him,or if hes not perfect,you can beat him,or can beat a stock 2002 SE 6speed,because lets be honest,most people that have a 14.5 car from the factory probably cant run a 14.5,14's is a very respectable time and can still beat 19 out of 20 cars you see on the road,if not,more..and that same time can beat just about every honda with bolt ons
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Just wanna let you guys know that there is someone out there representing you 3rd Gens. I saw him at the track last night he was turbocharged with a front mount intercooler. The best time that I observed was a 14.08@ 100 or 101 can't remember for sure.
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UDP= under drive pully. it reduces the HP loss that the accesories putt on the engine. (alternator etc). this requires a change to a smaller belt. cars with heavy amperage draw stereos this mod is not recommended. you can find them at your local shop or nopi etc.. 200 vacinity
fro
fro
Originally posted by 90MiGhTyMaX
What's a UDP?? and how much are they??
What's a UDP?? and how much are they??
Originally posted by FroMan
well .. .14 seconds isn't that fast unless you are doing solo i or drag racing a 15-16 second car is fast enough! besides think of all the "drivers" that these powerful vehicles are being launched haphazardly down the road by!
fro
well .. .14 seconds isn't that fast
unless you are doing solo i or drag racing a 15-16 second car is fast enough! besides think of all the "drivers" that these powerful vehicles are being launched haphazardly down the road by!fro
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Originally posted by BottleFedMax
Just wanna let you guys know that there is someone out there representing you 3rd Gens. I saw him at the track last night he was turbocharged with a front mount intercooler. The best time that I observed was a 14.08@ 100 or 101 can't remember for sure.
Just wanna let you guys know that there is someone out there representing you 3rd Gens. I saw him at the track last night he was turbocharged with a front mount intercooler. The best time that I observed was a 14.08@ 100 or 101 can't remember for sure.
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