1992maximase30

wat up,
the other day i decided to take a look at my t-belt.
it was replaced looked a few months old.
passed all of the test u guys posted in the past.

then today i read about how nissan changed the belt design, and how the cam teeth should look.

and i came accross this:

Pay special attention to the tooth shape of the timing belt. The current timing belts are not interchangeable with the timing belts from the 1993 model year. The 1993 model year uses a square or trapezoidal tooth timing belt while the current model year uses a round tooth design. The deign change was made to extend the service life of the timing belt from 60,000 miles for the square or trapezoidal toothed belt to 105,000 miles for the rounded tooth belt. If the proper timing belt is not used, the customer may complain of a "whining" noise coming from the engine compartment. If the camshaft sprocket has a square cut in the valley of the gear tooth, it will require a square or trapezoidal tooth timing belt. If the camshaft sprocket has a rounded cut in the valley of the gear tooth, it will require a rounded tooth timing belt.

now my baby is a 92 or so it say's on the title.
but my cam gears are trapazoids with lil' notches in em'.
but my timing belt teeth are round.
even the tensioner is the same.

now i have no odd noise or anything like that the belt does'nt vibrate to what i seen at idle.
but should the belt be fine or the engine??

thanks

Greeny

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Square peg/round hole=replace the belt.

1992maximase30

is there a chance it could jump or something...i know that may sound like a stupid question.
i ask becuase the teeth are in there deep....

Greeny

iTrader: (43)

Ask yourself this, is not changing the belt going to give me piece of mind?

Why risk it, it is clearly the wrong belt for your car.Swap the belt with the right one= piece of mind.

Unless you like owning 3200lb lawn ornaments.

1992maximase30

hell naw!
but i could wait about a month to change it.
with me movin etc gotta save up some money.
this one guy i know that owns a shop told me he could do the t-belt/w.p. for $280.

BenStoked

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do it yourself for half the cost or less+(weekend)...

Greeny

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Parts and labor?

If so, then not a bad deal, but trust is always an issue with me-n-shops. i haven't taken my cars to a shop in 15 years. I simply don't trust them.

1992maximase30

no just for labor.
but john warned me it's gonna take some time.
and when it comes down to something as important as my engine. i don't think i wanna f$%K up my car.


it's either him or my uncle...who i'll ask tomarrow.

internetautomar

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I always take my car into the shop when there is a problem

CapedCadaver

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+eleventybillion

i took my car to my OWN UNCLE's shop in jul 07 to do my timing belt. my cousin (who worked there) was removing my radiator hose with a flathead screwdriver and split it open, and when they put the car back together they just clamped it on and sent me on my way. What if I hadn't seen him do that? What if I'd been a retard about cars and just did my tbelt cuz "daddy told me i probably should with the car's mileage"? I'd have lost all my coolant (hose would have ruptured in a day or two if i hadn't replaced it) and blow'd up my engine just after spending hundreds on a tbelt job. Talk about service, eh?

i'm not even taking my maxima to a shop to get the front wheels balanced tomorrow. I'm taking the wheels OFF and tossing them in back of the Oldsmobile and taking the wheels up there to get balanced alone, so they can't touch my car.

92_SE_VE30DE

wait a minute....your name indicates....you have a 92 SE correct?

meaning you should have a VE30DE...correct?

meaning...you should have TIMING CHAINS...NOT BELTS!

UNLESS ..SOMEONE put a VG30E in there.

VG30Es have belts....VE30DEs have CHAINS! ( 3 of them to be exact ) = 1 main one off the crank...and 2 ...( 1 each for the cams ) = 3 chains.

1 big one..and 2 smaller ones.

so forgive me if I seem a little comfused....but your name..( 1992maximase30 ) ...it just seems you have a VE30DE ...if you have a 92 SE.



SIDENOTE: I will retract my comment/post...looked at your profile..you also have a GXE ( VG30E )...

disregard my comment!

Greeny

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The ve got wrecked, he since has bought a vg.

1992maximase30

yes i used to have a ve.
loved that car.
now found a gxe...which looks like my ve.

i won't take my car in for anything.
but MAJOR engine (bearings/t-belt) or tranny.

i've done my own alingment.
balanced my own tires.

i'll be doing a tranny drian/refill,cooler install in a couple weeks too.

Wiking

My VGE came with whining round tooth belt on squared - straight from Nissan service. Had been used like that, 5yrs, 40k.

CapedCadaver

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i have a trans cooler i don't need now that i'm a 5spd pm me

Chris Gregg

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I'm currently putting a timing belt and other work into Kao's max. Courtesy sent me rounded timing belt. For sh$% and giggles, I placed the belt on an old square tooth cam sprocket. There is a huge gap between the teeth and the flat part of the belt which should fit snugg against the sprocket. It looked to me that the belt would EASILY be able to jump time, kinda like a tire pulling up and over a small curb.

I would NOT trust a round belt on the square sprockets or visa versa!

Butch at Courtesy stated that he is going to have them fix the website which fails to indicate the difference between the two belts when ordering. The one specific to the '94 Max is listed as '89-94 where the other is listed as '89-93. Just a word to those fixing to order from their website to double check what you're getting.

1992maximase30

mines don't though... it's in there.
it does'nt whine either.

it probably needs to settle.
also nissan probably cut the sq'd one becuase only the 94 has this set-up.

CapedCadaver

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i bought a kit off ebay and it came w/ the wrong belt. i drove 2 hours to my cheapest-available mechanic only to have him ask "do you want to buy a new one now or put the old one back on since it doesn't look too bad?"..

the ebay seller would only refund me the price of the belt as a percentage of the components in their kit, not the price of the belt i had to buy elsewhere. $11 difference but i lost the wrong belt so i never even got my $14 back.

Greeny

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Playing with fire son..

Swap the belt with the correct tooth design.

Wiking

Swapping engines is good sport. Hi educational value...

Chris Gregg

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G3Karl

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I agree 100%. The one shop I trusted, owner retired and sold it to somebody else. I now try to do all the stuff I can. But I need to have my timing belt/waterpump changed and dont know who is gonna do it. Im sure I could do it if I took my time but my car is my daily driver so thats not an option.

CapedCadaver

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you can do it on a weekend, certainly. just make sure you have all the stuff you need ahead of time, and decide exactly how much you plan to do all at once.

G3Karl

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thats the problem...my work hours/off days suck...not off on weekends now. Only off wed/sunday.

BenStoked

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i did it in under a day. just read the instructions the instructions a few times, and and have them handy for reference.
i would recommend when you have a few hours free, check the belt type to make sure you get the proper belt.(buy it from a place where it would be easy to exchange if its wrong, if possible.) then when you have a full day(approx 7am-8pm or so) you can have it done with plenty of breaks and "go smash stuff" time. shouldnt take that long, but just make sure you have the time set aside.
consider this. it could take a shop almost as long to get your car back, if not longer.

1992maximase30

okay i think i stumbled onto something here.
i think that guy made a mistake on the years becuase online i belive the round-toothed belt is made from 89-93.
and in 94 they changed it to the squared.
and btw i have the squared timing belt.
i only had part of the cover off.
but took it off completly and seen they were squared.
and i'm fo sho on that.

but seeing my cam and timing tensioner is sq'd you know what that means...
it's possible this is a "new" engine.

CapedCadaver

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doesn't surprise me that your engine may be nonoriginal. hell my engine has a calispec IM and post-1992 injectors and it's a 90...

internetautomar

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that's what happens when you aren't the original owner of the car.
you have absolutely no clue as to the cars true history, that is why the aftermarket catalogs make mention of the 2 timing belts (among other reasons)