researching around for installing a remote starter, so far im looking at getting a compustar model, but im unsure which model i would buy if i need the manual model one.

Anyone have experience installing one of these into a 92' se manual??

ps. Sorry if you feel this is in the wrong forum, im unsure if i shouldve put it in electronics or 3rd gen, felt 3rd gen was best for now, trying to find details instructions of how-to also.

 

I don't know if this question has been addressed before, you might want to do some searching.

I have a few thoughts on how a 5 speed remote starter could be done. Maybe you could put a switch underneath the stick shift boot that would be triggered when the stick was in neutral. You would have to somehow wire in the clutch pedal button as well that allows the car to start only when the clutch pedal is pushed in. I'm sure its doable.

 

My concern would be safety. If you've driven a manual car for years, you are going to tend to put it into a gear. This will result in something very ugly if you push the auto start and forget about it being in gear. Leaving it out of gear and relying on the e-brake alone is not safe anytime parking at even a slight incline/decline. I've had my car in gear and it still roll when I've failed to set my e-brake properly and I have driven mostly manual cars from the word "go," even learning on a manual. It happens.

But, to answer you question, it can be done easily. I would say it is very similar to installing a push button start system (specific only to switch, relay, and connection to starter of course). Push button start consists of a 30 amp relay which is tripped by the switch (push button) by creating the ground circuit for the switch. The signal from the relay is then sent directly to the starter soleniod (of course you remove the stock wire). Since the stock wire is no longer connected, then the clutch switch is naturally bypassed.

I have a push button start on my car, this bypasses the whole ignition system on the ignition switch. I could have no key in the car and push the start button and the car turn over. I've actually used this a couple of times to move the car onto a trailer when it died. Horrible on the starter and battery, but our starters are definately powerful enough to pull our cars slowly up a relatively steep slope. Of course, if I want my car to start and unlock my stearing wheel, I have to use the key and put it in the "on" position to turn on ecu, sensors, fuel pump, etc. Of course, an auto start system bypasses these issues and is why it is more complicated.

Long story short, it can be easily done, no more complicated than an install on an auto car. However, safety is definately an issue and should at minimal require a "neutral" switch on the shifter or linkage. Not sure what that would look like since neutral is essentually the shifter being anywhere in the middle.

BTW, I have an Ungo MS2105 with push button start. I was going to put this on my wife's car for keyless entry and considered the auto start, but figured she'd end up letting the car roll and get damaged or keep it in gear and damage the car. I ended up never installing it at all. So, if you've not bought one yet, send me a PM should you decide to still go through with this. Honestly, I don't recommend it.

 

Yeah they are definitely able to be installed. I think most people just bypass the clutch switch. They can be dangerous though. My buddy parked his F-150 in a field and set his parking brake and he hit his remote start to see what would happen just incase he hit it in a parking lot. The truck lunged foward about 2-3 feet. What he forgot was that remote start systems will usually try to start 3 times if unsuccessful. So the truck ended up about 10 feet away. You could end up in a lot of trouble or have someone injured or killed if you don't develop some sort of fail-safe to make sure it isn't in gear.

 

iirc, most of the setups I have seen require you to shut the car down in a certain manner in order to allow remote start.

 

none of mine required it. Just hit the button on the remote.

 

yes exactly.. which makes it completely safe.

im just looking for brand options, compustar makes models equiped to work with manual transmissions, i wasnt asking for theorys on ways to make a remote start work with manual transmissions, but good thinking anyways guys lol

they have to 1) bypass the clutch, and 2) they know if its in nutruel or not.

i believe im going to go with this option..
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...0070921x00003a
$60 for the unit itself, not bad at all.. then i think aprox $120 for a reputable local shop to do the install..
today I went on a hunt and got two quotes.. $300, for a UltraStart install, or $400 for a Direct"Something" Install..
Well fk that..

And that unit thats only $60 IS for a manual tranny
http://www.compustar.com/products/1BAMR.htm

 

Read Read Read----> http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...art-5-spd.html

post #9 especially.

 

if you wire it through the NSS you don't have to worry about starting it in gear.

 

nutruel safety switch? just a guess here..

i wont be installing it myself, craig did a nice write up on it though, thats very involved, but im working 53 hours a week right now, i dont wanna blow an entire saturDAY installing this.
Pretty sure I can get it all done for under $200.. and i will make sure the guy installing it knows it must not start in gear, cause he will have to stand in front of it when i press the switch

 

it needs to start w/o the clutch being pressed in order to remote start

 

Check to see if its illegal to install in manual transmission cars. AFAIK it is in Virginia.

 

this is easy to do if the car is swapped from auto to manual.... I'm not sure what the wires on the N part of the N/R switch USUALLY go to on a stock 5spd car... but on my car it takes the place of the park/neutral switch, IE, i can start the car in neutral OR with the clutch pushed.

o and just for you Brian, Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again" is on teh radio

 

You can wire it into the neutral safety switch. Although my switch failed and about a year ago my keys got pressed in my pocket one night and my car drove through my garage door. Although the parking brake was on firmly it still drug the car through the door and it was sitting in the garage idling with tires spinning. It was on halloween actually. It wasn't funny untill a few days later.

 

Gentlemen... I think he was asking LESS about the mechanics of installing one in a 5SP, and more about which models/brands would WORK.

I've been an installer in a professional capacity for almost 20 years now, and provided your installer has the technical know-how, pretty much ANY RS system would work. That's what they make relays for, bro. LOL As for which brands are specifically made for manual tranny cars, I'd have to say Compustar is probably the best-known in that catagory. DEI has that option (sorta) in their Viper and Hornet line, but they don't openly advertise it. As a matter of fact, they pretty much discourage it. Crimestopper also is a company that has RS's specifically designed for manual tranny's. They're less expensive than either of the other two I mentioned, BTW

Also, IMHO, I'd steer clear of some of the lesser-known brands (Bulldog comes to mind). I say this, because I've noticed that their quality-control leaves a lot to be desired. And I've also seen firsthand their modules catch fire.

In any case, these are just my professional observations and suggestions. I'm sure research on YOUR end will yield good results. Good luck!!

 

so then a new N/R switch is a wise investment before installing remote start on an m/t car.... or at least take your old one out and make sure that the contact strip isn't bent like my old one was:



if this metal bends like that one did, then you will not be making contact with the switch. i did my best to show that there is a gap between the strip and the switchbody on the right side of the pic

pretty easy to install IF you can get the old switchbody out

 

This is done by bypassing the clutch interlock. It only takes about 5 minutes to do. The plug should be located behind your clutch pedal. unplug the plug, and take a little bit of wire and put it into the two prongs on the plug closest to the firewall/ plug that goes into your firewall or whatever. then you tape it with electrical tape and try and turn your car on. In neutral of course.

 

i have the viper remote start system which was installed back in '01 or '02 when it was an automatic. once i did the 5 speed swap it'll still work but without the clutch pedal being pressed down. and if its also in gear it will not start either. hasn't failed on me yet.

 

i have a compustar with remote start on my Maxima that i installed myself after countless hours of research of all wiring diagrams. Have fun it isn't easy unless your like me and are able to read wiring diagrams and are electronically competent. I installed mine while in automotive technology and consulted my instructors opinion about me doing such an in depth install. Compustar alarms can take up to six hours to install.