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Been trying to sell my 3rd gen for a few months. I can't believe that no one here wants it. The price is crazy cheap. So many here say they want a carbon fiber hood or Corbeau seats, or nice rims, or a host of other goodies. This car has it all. Someone could buy it and part it out and make a killing. I don't have the heart to part it
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I know I would make more parting it. Can't bring myself to do it. Keeping it is appealing but I need the room. I am never putting any money in an import ever again. I going back to american muscle.
its more real world, hell even at work we have to do more major repairs on domestics than imports. especially Fordslook at the stats on when vehicles are made, US vehicles will have poor build quality Mondays and Fridays, but Japanese built vehicles have straight quality through the week
a older car like a muscle car or older import will be lots of money still, i sunk how much in the 3rd gen and got $100 for it in the end, and ive already sunk about 4 grand in the Supra (not including what i paid for it) and ive had it for not even 2 months. any older car youre gonna find a ton of stuff that needs fixing
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It was said here, no one is looking to put a $50 supercharger on a musclecar, but I would bet there are some import guys that consider it.
American muscle is a lot more profitable. When people look to purchase a classic they expect to spend what it is worth. Quality in a build for a classic is met with respect. Quality in an import is not. No one in imports wants to spend anything for anything. It is always "how cheap can I get it". That is also why American muscle lasts many years and most imports are done after 5.
It was said here, no one is looking to put a $50 supercharger on a musclecar, but I would bet there are some import guys that consider it.
It was said here, no one is looking to put a $50 supercharger on a musclecar, but I would bet there are some import guys that consider it.
As for quality in an import, have you ever seen the japanese classic car shows. I've noticed a lot of late 70's thru the 80's japanese cars still rolling around and recently being modded. American car quality in the 80's fell off. Which would you take 71 camaro or 85? Japanese cars were over engineered back in the day. What usually is held with 3 snap pins on an American car were held by 7 bolts or screws on a japanese car. Hell look at chrome's new edition.
The part I agree with you on is how people in the import community are always low balling (trying to get it as close to free as possible). Thats because these are young 16-25 yr old kids that saw what was going on 6-10yrs ago and want in on that action. One problem. They don't have the income to support their habit. Hence why in classified sections they always want to bargain on an as is price. $250 used BBK price firm. How about $110 to take it off your hands?... NO!!!
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i have seen MANY shotty muscle car jobs as wellmost muscle cars arent worth much either, its the same as my Supra. most are project cars that are under $5000 that need work, and even if you fix it up you still have to find someone wanting a turn key car for 20 grand which is hard, especially since people want cars in their own "image". most people want projects they can get going themselves, unless youre selling something thats generally liked (Ford Torino Starsky and Hutch style, General Lee Charger, etc)
its the kids in Hondas that are cheap, ive seen kids in Mustangs be cheap as well. old school car owners are usually chill, doesnt matter if its Japanese or American. every old school import owner ive known has been chill and offered to help with whatever. they dont cut corners either. most are adults not kids wanting the latest thing. Muscle car guys seem to not be able to understand that Skylines and whatnot arent ricers though
Its not just the honda ppl. Its all makes. Even here ppl are always trying to low ball Brian Cattman on his catback systems. Those things are worth more than what hes selling them for. All SS with tig welded flanges and ready to go out of the box for around $800. Anybody else would want $1500 for that. Ppl on the org want the same thing for $400. Thats why they sacrificed the tig welded flanges for slip fit with BRM. I know what I want and if thats what it cost then thats what I need to come up with to obtain it. No if ands or buts about it. Unless its on sale.
Unless you're talking Stock Hemi Cuda's and a whole lot of Mopars worth big $$$, even modding them is a money losing episode....Modding is suggestive and opinionated, but the truth is a Stock car is worth more than a modded car.....Modding is a lost when talking American muscle, german import, Japanese import in which true authenticty and matching #'s is more valued than Non OEM aftermarket parts!
Been trying to sell my 3rd gen for a few months. I can't believe that no one here wants it. The price is crazy cheap. So many here say they want a carbon fiber hood or Corbeau seats, or nice rims, or a host of other goodies. This car has it all. Someone could buy it and part it out and make a killing. I don't have the heart to part it
The problem is several-fold.
Typically, a car done up like that and asking a premium over run of the mill cars of the same make/model has the "go" to match the "look". Clearly no insult intended, but your car is a VG auto. For me to drive around a relatively "outlandish" (for lack of a better word) car, I would want the performance to back it up (sick turbo setup at the very least). And I would venture to say many others feel the same way.
Most younger guys who would be into the general "look" of your car can't afford it. Older guys who can afford it aren't really into the "look" of your car. It's a catch-22.
Your car is certainly very nice. But the wing(s), racing stripes, Skyline tails, racing seats, painted interior panels (IIRC), etc are certainly a very very very limited audience especially on (what could nowadays best be described on its best day) a niche car.
I think you're overstating the import vs. domestic enthusiast thing. Clearly, there are import guys left and right who would pay a premium for a well-done modded cars. Z's, 240's, especially 510s etc all command high dollar even modded but that is only because the market is bigger. There 3rd gen market is tiny at best. Even Maximan190 can't sell his clean stock VE 5. The fact that your car has the late 90's ricer "look" certainly isn't helping its cause and further reduces that tiny market to virtually nothing, IMO.
You're comparing completely different "classes" of enthusiasts yet stereotyping all import enthusiasts with it. It's not like some 16 year old who just inherited a crappy mid 80's Camaro is going to pay an arm and a leg for performance parts or be able to put any serious money into it. But that's what you're holding against the 16 year old kid who just inherited the Maxima.
The difference is there are very well off older men who have the time and money and desire to drop serious money on said Camaro (or buy an already completed one). Similar well off older men in the Japanese import "scene" are few and far between.
Keep in mind, Japanese imports have only been huge stateside for maybe 20 years. The generation of boys who grew up idolizing them aren't as far along in life as the baby boomer generation who grew up idolizing muscle cars and have now created a HUGE market for them.
But beyond that, there is not and likely never will be much of a market for 3rd gens.
Typically, a car done up like that and asking a premium over run of the mill cars of the same make/model has the "go" to match the "look". Clearly no insult intended, but your car is a VG auto. For me to drive around a relatively "outlandish" (for lack of a better word) car, I would want the performance to back it up (sick turbo setup at the very least). And I would venture to say many others feel the same way.
Most younger guys who would be into the general "look" of your car can't afford it. Older guys who can afford it aren't really into the "look" of your car. It's a catch-22.
Your car is certainly very nice. But the wing(s), racing stripes, Skyline tails, racing seats, painted interior panels (IIRC), etc are certainly a very very very limited audience especially on (what could nowadays best be described on its best day) a niche car.
I think you're overstating the import vs. domestic enthusiast thing. Clearly, there are import guys left and right who would pay a premium for a well-done modded cars. Z's, 240's, especially 510s etc all command high dollar even modded but that is only because the market is bigger. There 3rd gen market is tiny at best. Even Maximan190 can't sell his clean stock VE 5. The fact that your car has the late 90's ricer "look" certainly isn't helping its cause and further reduces that tiny market to virtually nothing, IMO.
You're comparing completely different "classes" of enthusiasts yet stereotyping all import enthusiasts with it. It's not like some 16 year old who just inherited a crappy mid 80's Camaro is going to pay an arm and a leg for performance parts or be able to put any serious money into it. But that's what you're holding against the 16 year old kid who just inherited the Maxima.
The difference is there are very well off older men who have the time and money and desire to drop serious money on said Camaro (or buy an already completed one). Similar well off older men in the Japanese import "scene" are few and far between.
Keep in mind, Japanese imports have only been huge stateside for maybe 20 years. The generation of boys who grew up idolizing them aren't as far along in life as the baby boomer generation who grew up idolizing muscle cars and have now created a HUGE market for them.
But beyond that, there is not and likely never will be much of a market for 3rd gens.
At first glance it looks like a rice mobil thats trying too hard.. No offense. But if you stop to look at how well everything is done and take some time to read through your cardomain pages, you start to feel its something really special. Unfortunately in 2011, I don't see any possible way you'd be getting over 1500 for a 1990 Maxima. Regardless of how much you replaced or what you have done to it. Most casual buyers dont understand or even believe half the things you tell them. Think about who would want this car? A kid who probably wouldn't have the money for it, or a grown up who not only isn't looking for a flashy car like that, can most definitely afford to lease some crappy little 4 banger. What kinda buyers are you left with? An enthusiast of the car who probably already owns one? I know how hard it is to sell these cars. I had a MINT black VE 5spd that needed minor mechanical repairs, and I couldn't get over $700 bucks for it. I tried for 2 months posting it up everywhere and people were calling me asking me to sell it to them for $400 bucks. What kinda peanut butter and jelly BS is that? Gonna have to take a hit on it my friend.
That hood really turns me on though. I put that on my 3rd gen LVL 10 rarest mods list. Any chance you'd be willing to sell it?
That hood really turns me on though. I put that on my 3rd gen LVL 10 rarest mods list. Any chance you'd be willing to sell it?
Selling a highly modded car is tough, the odds of finding someone who particularly likes what you did to it or how you modified it is very slim. That is assuming one would buy it and leave it as-is, maybe someone will come along and want to buy it, sell the parts you have on it (hood, wheels etc) and return it back to (almost) stock. I say almost since in your case you have some stuff done thats not easily removable, custom taillights grafted into the quarter panels, paint, etc.
I dug myself into the ground many times over on my car (my original 92 that i just redid, JDM motor, new suspension etc) I could never even try to sell it now especially given the tough time i would have doing so, lack of interest and market. Its a good car though and i still like driving it so selling isnt a concern. The OTHER 92 though (the stock one that james mentioned) i dont need anymore so that one is still up for sale
I dug myself into the ground many times over on my car (my original 92 that i just redid, JDM motor, new suspension etc) I could never even try to sell it now especially given the tough time i would have doing so, lack of interest and market. Its a good car though and i still like driving it so selling isnt a concern. The OTHER 92 though (the stock one that james mentioned) i dont need anymore so that one is still up for sale
They are secret, but it won't be too long before I unveil them. I'm almost done with perhaps the most difficult project.. Things have been presentable for about a year now, but I want everything to be finished before I show it off. Still need to make those final touches first.
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They are secret, but it won't be too long before I unveil them. I'm almost done with perhaps the most difficult project.. Things have been presentable for about a year now, but I want everything to be finished before I show it off. Still need to make those final touches first.
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