Errr... what happened to the prototyping "first time" cost?

 

Don't you want to be the Pioneer again Brian?



$550 for springs, mounts, etc.
$510 for Koni's
$1060 for coil-overs

Cheap, huh?

 

I don't think there's really a price for "prototyping" a new setof coil overs. My friends got their coil overs for $800, custom made by GC. This included struts. Thats the same price as non custom jobs.

The $1,060 there is basically for Koni adjustable shocks. If i were you guys, I wouldn't get the Koni's. They're just too expensive, nothing beats koni adjustment, but if you can't afford it, use your stock struts.

So you could have coil overs for $550..or less on a group buy.

You guys have to realize that GC doesn't really "custom" made anything, they have all sizes of springs, adjustable sleeves and all kinds of things, they just have to take some time and match which ones would best suit your car..coil overs are easy to make..

 

Nooooo... I've already done my good deed for the board Let some other foo' machete his way through the f-ing jungle!


Sudesh: Okay thanks, I guess I just assumed that first custom job for the Stanza was a lot more, and then costs afterward were lower because they'd already finished the "prototype" work. Unfortunately, like I said, I'm not ready for coilovers yet. Maybe someone other people reading this would go for it or get the ball rolling?


BTW, does this mean there are no coilovers for our cars because in 10 years no one has tried??? Craziness!

 

"The needs of the many.......outweigh the needs of the few" or, at least I think that's how it goes. Anyway, I'm all about doing this since I have been exploring this very thing but from a different manufacturer (but that's another story and another possibility in case this does not pan out for some reason with GC) I'll be holding my breath on this until the theoretical GC Coilover's are in my grubby paws (just call me a pessimist....) Just someone tell me some contact info at GC and I'll start the ball rolling (sounds like one other person to go in on this might make GC take it a little more seriously though. But that's just my opinion.......

 

You make it sound so easy

 

http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...n/Dcp01044.jpg

Look at that pic and tell me how you're supposed to be able to put coilovers on that strut AND lower the car more than a couple inches without seriously screwing up camber.

If you need to use more os the suspension geometry to make that call, here's another pic.

http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...n/Dcp01041.jpg


See the parallel links on there? lower the car 3", and those parallel links will be almost parallel tot he ground- causing your rear camber to be so far negative, tires will last about 500 miles.
that much camber offset will make it nearly impossible to correct with a camber kit.


But if you guys want to try it, go for it. if GC comes up with a set that actually works on the car, I'll be one of the first in line to buy them.

 

Houston... we have a problem....

I never really studied the rear suspension geometry before (what for?) but now I can see why camber is a problem on our rear independant suspensions. This is one case where a solid rear axle would be a plus.

Out of curiousity, is the front is affected as badly? From the design it wouldn't seem so, but I imagine they must've built some camber change into the design, or handling would suck.

 

suspension geometry

muahahahahahahaha

 

Read Matt's post below as well, but stock struts are not going to last very long even if all the other problems are solved.

 

yup. think about it this way.. stock struts last about 60k miles on our cars.
stock spring rates are about 100lb/in (just a guess, going from the fact the stock front springs compress about 10 inches from full extension to their position when the car is resting on level ground.)

your choice of spring rates for coilovers start out at over twice that strong. thus, if you put those springs on stock struts, they'll last half as long. and those are for the soft springs. you put the 350 or 500lb springs on them (which most guys use if they want real handling), then the stock struts will last about 10k miles at most before giving up the ghost. and that's only if you put NEW struts on when you installed the coilovers.


You want to drive it like it's a race car, expect to maintain it like it's a race car.

 

Is this the voice of experience Matt?

What he says is all true guys.

 

Here's a pic of the ground controls on a stanza, the rear set-up:

http://www.geocities.com/sudeshbaiji/suspension4.jpg

Judging by the pic you guys can see if it's possible or not. I think you should be able to work something out with GC. Remember, you don't have to go with expensive Koni's, they have other struts available.

 

whatever happened to this?!? is anyone going to try or has anyone tried? or did it not work out? i think it is still a good idea.

 

Sorry to raise this thread from the dead guys, BUT, I think some people may be interested in reading what I have to say about this.

Currently I'm re-doing the suspension on my Stanza, lowering it with Intrax springs new struts all around.

If you go to www.nopionline.com and check out part numbers for rear strut inserts with the 89-94 maximas, and then commpare those numbers with the ones for the 90-92 Stanzas, it's the exact same. So I went to auto-zone, had them check it out, same thing again. I can honestly tell you the rear suspension on the stanza is the exact same as the rear suspension as on the maxima. The only difference is the 5-lug max vs. 4-lug stanza. Stanzas did have the rear disc and drums too. The front struts on the maxima are the same, but one inch longer because the maxima is far more front heavy.

If you guys don't believe me, take a trip to the junk yard, compare the entire rear suspension side by side. Same exact thing.

My point is, Coilovers are available from Ground control for the Stanzas. I'm certain it will work on the maxima. I'm not interested in this, though I know alot of other people will be. Call up ground control, tell them that the stanza has the same rear suspension, and tell them that they already made coil overs for the stanza.

 

There ya go, Sudesh... kickin' up dead threads!

Truth be told, I'd be willing to at least TRY. I've got a few dollars coming in shortly, and if worse comes to worse, I can always return 'em. As long as you're sure, though....

Get me some part numbers and I'll see what I can do on my end. (I've always wanted to be a guinea pig for some intricate $h!t on the Max!!

and hey, do you still have pics of the ground controls on a stanza setup??

 

man if those fit, I'll worshp you!!!! but seriously if you do undertake this, way to go, a lot of us have been waiting for this!

 

Ok guys..I tell you what. I have to go by my boys house for some stuff..and he has the ground control coil overs on his stanza, I'll take some pictures for you and then you can judge for yourself. It'll be couple days though.

 

No prob. Try and be detailed about the pics. And if possible, get better pics of the Max suspension than Matt's raggedy-@$$ pics. (just kiddin', Matt, you know we love ya...)

Oh, and don't forget the darned part numbers...

 

here is what he stanza's suspension looks like
http://www.cybrrpartspro.com/Chilton.../82628g49L.gif
look famailair?
IF sudesh does in fact get proof then there is no reson why we couldn't get coilovers too.
Except imho GC's are no different than cutting your coils . Lets have some real ones like Zeal, jic, tein..(the maxima will be jealous when the 240 gets JIC flt2's.)

 

mmmmm tein flex's with edfc controller or jic flt a2's

 

Well alrighty then!

jim90gxe gave me a great idea, compare service manual pictures of the rear suspension of both cars.

Here you go:

http://www.geocities.com/sudeshbaiji...uspension.html

The top is the Stanza suspension, the bottom is the maxima suspension. I don't know about you, but it looks Identical to me.

I believe these two picture comparisons along with knowing that the rear strut inserts are the same part numbers are enough proof to convince anyone that the rear suspension of both cars are identical.

Concerning the quality of Ground control products. They use Eibach springs, you can choose the spring rates yourself, and you can adjust the ride height. While is by far not the same quality as Tein and others, it's better than most other lowering solutions out there already for the 3rd gen.

 

does this mean the fronts are also possible. In other words we would just have to adjust the GC coil-over to acheive the desired height in front, due to the stock fronts coil being longer than the rears.

 

Good question, I think the answer is you'll get the same exact rear coil over as the stanzas but for the front they would give you a shorter spring.

You could even get away with using the exact same coil overs from the stanza all around because GC's are adjustable up to 4 inches. So if the maxima's front end is one inch longer, lower the spring 1" to compensate, but it'll become more stiff.

Again, I'm NOT interested in this for the maxima I have, so none of you should expect me to be the first to try it. It's all up to you guys to make the calls and make it happen.

My boy is actually selling his ground control set up because his engine blew and he bought a new se-r. If any of you want to experiment with the rear set up, now's the time. If any of you in queens, NY want to set up something to go look at his car and his coil over set-up let me know, perhaps you can even transfer it all over to your maxima the same day and see how it works out.

 

So i read your question again and misunderstood it the first time.

Technical questions like that concerning spring height of the coil overs themselves I wouldn't know jack about, you would have to call GC and find out. The springs up front are longer, so i guess they would compensate for that, and after that you still have the ability to adjust the height.

 

bump

 

hehe..didnt see anyone responding so i just let it die.