HID look bulbs
06-03-2002, 10:57 AM
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HID look bulbs
What would be the best brand of headlight bulb to give me the HID look? Iknow better than to use higher wattage bulbs and i have had blue bulbs but now i want the HID look that the newer bettles and tiburons have any opinions?
06-03-2002, 07:30 PM
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well you have BMW like my friends BMW in my sig in the upper right corner. He had these PIAA's Super Plazma Blue. They looked good but they kept on blowing out and they were pretty expensive then I bought him the HID plus.
06-04-2002, 09:32 AM
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Damion, the look you want >>
Originally posted by Damion
...i want the HID look that the newer bettles and tiburons have any opinions?
...i want the HID look that the newer bettles and tiburons have any opinions?
06-04-2002, 12:50 PM
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check out these. I don't like purple I like blue.
http://forum.dtmpower.net/showthread.php?threadid=40787
http://forum.dtmpower.net/showthread.php?threadid=40787
06-04-2002, 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by mykizism
what do you mean rebased wanna be HID?
they are real hid.. none of this HID halogen "bulbs"
what do you mean rebased wanna be HID?
they are real hid.. none of this HID halogen "bulbs"
06-04-2002, 03:20 PM
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Re: Damion, the look you want >>
Reflectors. You mean in back or the glass that covers the whole assembly. Most of the E36 bmw light assemblies I've seen are clear plastic ala later 4-gens. I don't see a beam pattern problem if some real hids were swapped in for the lowbeam side of the bmw lights
Originally posted by Albertt
...is one you will no achieve. E36 BMW lamps are etched glass reflectors, while Beetles, A4s and the Tiburon have projector headlamps. At some angles, projector lenses split the white light into it's components, blue being on of them. That's why they appear to look like HIDs.
...is one you will no achieve. E36 BMW lamps are etched glass reflectors, while Beetles, A4s and the Tiburon have projector headlamps. At some angles, projector lenses split the white light into it's components, blue being on of them. That's why they appear to look like HIDs.
06-04-2002, 03:35 PM
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Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Reflectors. You mean in back or the glass that covers the whole assembly. Most of the E36 bmw light assemblies I've seen are clear plastic ala later 4-gens. I don't see a beam pattern problem if some real hids were swapped in for the lowbeam side of the bmw lights
Reflectors. You mean in back or the glass that covers the whole assembly. Most of the E36 bmw light assemblies I've seen are clear plastic ala later 4-gens. I don't see a beam pattern problem if some real hids were swapped in for the lowbeam side of the bmw lights
06-04-2002, 03:39 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
ie.. hids in their own seperate housings? I see.
Originally posted by White93SE
The beam pattern problem comes from the location of the focal point on the acutal xenon bulb. Rebased HID bulbs help aleviate the problem, but do not correct it. The only way to have a correct HID system is to use a OEM projector with its OEM bulb.
The beam pattern problem comes from the location of the focal point on the acutal xenon bulb. Rebased HID bulbs help aleviate the problem, but do not correct it. The only way to have a correct HID system is to use a OEM projector with its OEM bulb.
06-04-2002, 04:02 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
Originally posted by White93SE
The beam pattern problem comes from the location of the focal point on the acutal xenon bulb. Rebased HID bulbs help aleviate the problem, but do not correct it. The only way to have a correct HID system is to use a OEM projector with its OEM bulb.
The beam pattern problem comes from the location of the focal point on the acutal xenon bulb. Rebased HID bulbs help aleviate the problem, but do not correct it. The only way to have a correct HID system is to use a OEM projector with its OEM bulb.
only non projector set up with decent beam pattern would be a H4 option where you can mount a external shield/reflector to reflect the light correctly on the road.
06-04-2002, 04:05 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
What about the 9005/6 on the bmws w/ clear plastic?
Originally posted by DanNY
when u go HID on a 9004 beam pattern is non existent.
only non projector set up with decent beam pattern would be a H4 option where you can mount a external shield/reflector to reflect the light correctly on the road.
when u go HID on a 9004 beam pattern is non existent.
only non projector set up with decent beam pattern would be a H4 option where you can mount a external shield/reflector to reflect the light correctly on the road.
06-04-2002, 04:11 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
Originally posted by Jeff92se
What about the 9005/6 on the bmws w/ clear plastic?
What about the 9005/6 on the bmws w/ clear plastic?
06-04-2002, 06:30 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Damion, the look you want >>
Originally posted by White93SE
the light output and pattern is okay, but nothing compared to an oem set up. in addition, the patter nand output are all dependant on the quality of the rebased bulb (all rebased bulbs come from a d2s or d2r bulb)
the light output and pattern is okay, but nothing compared to an oem set up. in addition, the patter nand output are all dependant on the quality of the rebased bulb (all rebased bulbs come from a d2s or d2r bulb)
ive already compared my HID to 2k2 maxima's, 2k2 BMW's, and supra MK4 with Aftermarket HID. And mine setup has a : wider view, is brighter, goes farther, and it doesnt blind on coming traffic. (as far as i know)
06-05-2002, 05:09 AM
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Jeff, E36 headlamps are not like the 4th Gens>>
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Reflectors. You mean in back or the glass that covers the whole assembly. Most of the E36 bmw light assemblies I've seen are clear plastic ala later 4-gens. I don't see a beam pattern problem if some real hids were swapped in for the lowbeam side of the bmw lights
Reflectors. You mean in back or the glass that covers the whole assembly. Most of the E36 bmw light assemblies I've seen are clear plastic ala later 4-gens. I don't see a beam pattern problem if some real hids were swapped in for the lowbeam side of the bmw lights
If you've ever seen the beam pattern of the E36 9006/9005 version (there are Euro versions that use H4/H1), you'll notice that it has a DOT type pattern...not that good. Even if you were to find an HID retrofit kit that could match the focal point location of the 9006 bulb, your beam pattern would be no better than with the original 9006 bulb.
06-05-2002, 05:11 AM
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Just because the light travels farther in front of the vehicle >>
Originally posted by Stealth TT
Mykizism HID when turned on is a super white, so thier is brighter and has a farther reach then my 2002 max w/ HID. So his HID are better then any OEM i've seen.
Mykizism HID when turned on is a super white, so thier is brighter and has a farther reach then my 2002 max w/ HID. So his HID are better then any OEM i've seen.
06-05-2002, 09:01 AM
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Re: Just because the light travels farther in front of the vehicle >>
Originally posted by Albertt
Doesn't mean that it's better. His lamps are most likely causing significant glare to other drivers. And once again, color doesn't matter.
Doesn't mean that it's better. His lamps are most likely causing significant glare to other drivers. And once again, color doesn't matter.
06-05-2002, 10:10 AM
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Re: Just because the light travels farther in front of the vehicle >>
Originally posted by Albertt
Doesn't mean that it's better. His lamps are most likely causing significant glare to other drivers. And once again, color doesn't matter.
Doesn't mean that it's better. His lamps are most likely causing significant glare to other drivers. And once again, color doesn't matter.
haha like i said i dont think i cause glare to other drivers
06-05-2002, 10:54 AM
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Re: Jeff, E36 headlamps are not like the 4th Gens>>
What if I replaced the whole bulb/lenses w/ another hid bulb/lense? ie.. a prjector assembly w/ a hid bulb?
Originally posted by Albertt
It is true that they have a clear plastic outer lens, but if you look closely, inside, for the 9006/9005 lamps, there are etched glass lenses, one for each element. An etched glass lens means that the reflector is perfectly smooth. For lamps like those on the 4th Gen, there are no etchings on the lens, but looking at the reflector, you'll notice that it's multi-faceted...not smooth.
If you've ever seen the beam pattern of the E36 9006/9005 version (there are Euro versions that use H4/H1), you'll notice that it has a DOT type pattern...not that good. Even if you were to find an HID retrofit kit that could match the focal point location of the 9006 bulb, your beam pattern would be no better than with the original 9006 bulb.
It is true that they have a clear plastic outer lens, but if you look closely, inside, for the 9006/9005 lamps, there are etched glass lenses, one for each element. An etched glass lens means that the reflector is perfectly smooth. For lamps like those on the 4th Gen, there are no etchings on the lens, but looking at the reflector, you'll notice that it's multi-faceted...not smooth.
If you've ever seen the beam pattern of the E36 9006/9005 version (there are Euro versions that use H4/H1), you'll notice that it has a DOT type pattern...not that good. Even if you were to find an HID retrofit kit that could match the focal point location of the 9006 bulb, your beam pattern would be no better than with the original 9006 bulb.
06-05-2002, 10:59 AM
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Jeff, that would work >>
Originally posted by Jeff92se
What if I replaced the whole bulb/lenses w/ another hid bulb/lense? ie.. a prjector assembly w/ a hid bulb?
What if I replaced the whole bulb/lenses w/ another hid bulb/lense? ie.. a prjector assembly w/ a hid bulb?
06-05-2002, 11:04 AM
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Re: Jeff, If I had a 3rd Gen >>
Wow nice info on both! I remember seeing those lights before. E36318ti huh? I wonder why they have the H4/H1 while the E36s have 9005/6? Very odd.
Originally posted by Albertt
I would try to get the H4/H1 versions of the E36 lamps. I remember reading somewhere that the E36 318ti models had them.
I would try to get the H4/H1 versions of the E36 lamps. I remember reading somewhere that the E36 318ti models had them.
06-05-2002, 02:19 PM
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Re: Jeff, If I had a 3rd Gen >>
Originally posted by Albertt
I would try to get the H4/H1 versions of the E36 lamps. I remember reading somewhere that the E36 318ti models had them.
I would try to get the H4/H1 versions of the E36 lamps. I remember reading somewhere that the E36 318ti models had them.
you've got the following options available:
h1 - euro projectors
h7 - euro free form parabolics
05/06 - us spec
h4 is a hb/lb bulb, and would eliminate the need for the h1 high beam...
if you custom fit a proejctor (OEM) with HIDs, you will have a non-ricey beam pattern as well as something you can adjust
06-05-2002, 02:43 PM
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European versions have to had ECE lamps >>
Originally posted by White93SE
There are no H4/H1 versiosn of the e36 lamps...
you've got the following options available:
h1 - euro projectors
h7 - euro free form parabolics
05/06 - us spec
h4 is a hb/lb bulb, and would eliminate the need for the h1 high beam...
There are no H4/H1 versiosn of the e36 lamps...
you've got the following options available:
h1 - euro projectors
h7 - euro free form parabolics
05/06 - us spec
h4 is a hb/lb bulb, and would eliminate the need for the h1 high beam...
I did however find this expensive little item here.
06-05-2002, 02:47 PM
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Re: European versions have to had ECE lamps >>
Originally posted by Albertt
Maybe I'm wrong about an H4/H1 (perhaps they used a pair of H1s), but before projector/ellipsoid and free form parabolic lamps came into the mainstream the H4/H1 combination was used. E30 BMWs, Alfa Romeo GTV6s, VW Scirroco, etc, those cars with modular lamp units used this combination.
I did however find this expensive little item here.
Maybe I'm wrong about an H4/H1 (perhaps they used a pair of H1s), but before projector/ellipsoid and free form parabolic lamps came into the mainstream the H4/H1 combination was used. E30 BMWs, Alfa Romeo GTV6s, VW Scirroco, etc, those cars with modular lamp units used this combination.
I did however find this expensive little item here.
06-05-2002, 02:53 PM
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But you gotta agree with me on this >>
Originally posted by White93SE
the lights you posted up are ellipsoids (projector) lights for the e36, they se h1/h1.
the lights you posted up are ellipsoids (projector) lights for the e36, they se h1/h1.
But here's a pic of an H4/H1 combo on an E30 BMW:
06-06-2002, 06:02 AM
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A perfect cutoff >>
Originally posted by mykizism
look at the pics i posted on pg1
it has a perfect cutoff
look at the pics i posted on pg1
it has a perfect cutoff
isn't a good cutoff, once you compare it to this:
A good cutoff has a well defined cutoff. Also, a good beam pattern is where light has a fairly even distribution.
06-12-2002, 02:57 PM
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ok im going to jump in now. lets clarify this alittle bit.
H1'a are better than 9005/9006's because they have a better beam pattern.
you have to use the projector in order to use HID lights.
aside from ballasts, thats about all i know (well and wires are different, but thats easy).
how do you adjust vertical cutoff? if im looking to get the e36 housings, arent they all the same, if not, whats different?
besides searching the forums, which is what im doing now, where else is there good info/prices on this.
maybe make this a faq or something.
thanks
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H1'a are better than 9005/9006's because they have a better beam pattern.
you have to use the projector in order to use HID lights.
aside from ballasts, thats about all i know (well and wires are different, but thats easy).
how do you adjust vertical cutoff? if im looking to get the e36 housings, arent they all the same, if not, whats different?
besides searching the forums, which is what im doing now, where else is there good info/prices on this.
maybe make this a faq or something.
thanks
MrGone
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