Holy Crap, did anyone notice Iron Lung's 99 5spd dyno: 191hp and 205tq
#1
Holy Crap, did anyone notice Iron Lung's 99 5spd dyno: 191hp and 205tq
Please forgive me for copying and pasting your post Iron Lung... I just wanted everyone to see this. That is the strongest dyno I've ever seen for an N/A 4th gen without an aftermarket ECU (with the exception of Keven who had his manifolds extrude honed). You sure you don't have an ECU in there I've seen a few max's putting down that HP but never 205 tq without an ECU. Nice!! Any way you can scan the dyno sheet? I'd love to see it.
190.8 HP - 205.1 TQ
99 SE Manual
Mods:
Hybrid Intake
Cattman Y-Pipe
Test Pipe
Apex WS Catback
UPD Pulley
190.8 HP@5200
205.1 TQ@4500
190.8 HP - 205.1 TQ
99 SE Manual
Mods:
Hybrid Intake
Cattman Y-Pipe
Test Pipe
Apex WS Catback
UPD Pulley
190.8 HP@5200
205.1 TQ@4500
#4
Re: Holy Crap, did anyone notice Iron Lung's 99 5spd dyno: 191hp and 205tq
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Please forgive me for copying and pasting your post Iron Lung... I just wanted everyone to see this. That is the strongest dyno I've ever seen for an N/A 4th gen without an aftermarket ECU (with the exception of Keven who had his manifolds extrude honed). You sure you don't have an ECU in there I've seen a few max's putting down that HP but never 205 tq without an ECU. Nice!! Any way you can scan the dyno sheet? I'd love to see it.
190.8 HP - 205.1 TQ
99 SE Manual
Mods:
Hybrid Intake
Cattman Y-Pipe
Test Pipe
Apex WS Catback
UPD Pulley
190.8 HP@5200
205.1 TQ@4500
Please forgive me for copying and pasting your post Iron Lung... I just wanted everyone to see this. That is the strongest dyno I've ever seen for an N/A 4th gen without an aftermarket ECU (with the exception of Keven who had his manifolds extrude honed). You sure you don't have an ECU in there I've seen a few max's putting down that HP but never 205 tq without an ECU. Nice!! Any way you can scan the dyno sheet? I'd love to see it.
190.8 HP - 205.1 TQ
99 SE Manual
Mods:
Hybrid Intake
Cattman Y-Pipe
Test Pipe
Apex WS Catback
UPD Pulley
190.8 HP@5200
205.1 TQ@4500
I will post the dyno sheet along with my air fuel ratio sheet when I figure out how to make my scanner work with windows Xp.
Craig..I am still using the auto ecu.
Oh and Bejay1 has about the same hp and torque that I have.
#5
Man that is good
I was disappointed with my numbers on my 97 5-speed:
168.4 HP and 188.9 ft-lbs Max
POP intake
Stillen 2-piece Y
Courtesy B
5th gen muffler
UDP
Brembo Gran Turismo brake kit
17X8 SSR Integrals
I had my dyno done in 3rd gear on a dynojet. I was also running 87 octane Mobil gas, stock 56K mile spark plugs, and a 30K old fuel filter. I added the Hyper Ground wires to get up to 176 HP, then I changed my spark plugs, fuel filter, and started filling up with 91 again. I've only filled up with 87 five times since 97. After the dyno, I feel better with 91. I'd like to back for another dyno once I install my RT cat and stillen b-pipe. Hopefully I'll get up to 190 WHP before I install and tune the S-AFC.
168.4 HP and 188.9 ft-lbs Max
POP intake
Stillen 2-piece Y
Courtesy B
5th gen muffler
UDP
Brembo Gran Turismo brake kit
17X8 SSR Integrals
I had my dyno done in 3rd gear on a dynojet. I was also running 87 octane Mobil gas, stock 56K mile spark plugs, and a 30K old fuel filter. I added the Hyper Ground wires to get up to 176 HP, then I changed my spark plugs, fuel filter, and started filling up with 91 again. I've only filled up with 87 five times since 97. After the dyno, I feel better with 91. I'd like to back for another dyno once I install my RT cat and stillen b-pipe. Hopefully I'll get up to 190 WHP before I install and tune the S-AFC.
#6
Re: Man that is good
thats not bad at all -
Originally posted by Kevin Wong
I was disappointed with my numbers on my 97 5-speed:
168.4 HP and 188.9 ft-lbs Max
POP intake
Stillen 2-piece Y
Courtesy B
5th gen muffler
UDP
Brembo Gran Turismo brake kit
17X8 SSR Integrals
I had my dyno done in 3rd gear on a dynojet. I was also running 87 octane Mobil gas, stock 56K mile spark plugs, and a 30K old fuel filter. I added the Hyper Ground wires to get up to 176 HP, then I changed my spark plugs, fuel filter, and started filling up with 91 again. I've only filled up with 87 five times since 97. After the dyno, I feel better with 91. I'd like to back for another dyno once I install my RT cat and stillen b-pipe. Hopefully I'll get up to 190 WHP before I install and tune the S-AFC.
I was disappointed with my numbers on my 97 5-speed:
168.4 HP and 188.9 ft-lbs Max
POP intake
Stillen 2-piece Y
Courtesy B
5th gen muffler
UDP
Brembo Gran Turismo brake kit
17X8 SSR Integrals
I had my dyno done in 3rd gear on a dynojet. I was also running 87 octane Mobil gas, stock 56K mile spark plugs, and a 30K old fuel filter. I added the Hyper Ground wires to get up to 176 HP, then I changed my spark plugs, fuel filter, and started filling up with 91 again. I've only filled up with 87 five times since 97. After the dyno, I feel better with 91. I'd like to back for another dyno once I install my RT cat and stillen b-pipe. Hopefully I'll get up to 190 WHP before I install and tune the S-AFC.
#7
95emeraldgxe--again you show that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Iron-- BEJAY1 has a G-Force ECU. Thats why I made my comment about yours being the strongest I've seen without an aftermarket ECU.
Kevin--Yeah those numbers are really weak. I bet the 87 octane was causing a bit of a knock, which the ECU cured by pulling back timing which had the nast side effect of killing your hp.
Iron-- BEJAY1 has a G-Force ECU. Thats why I made my comment about yours being the strongest I've seen without an aftermarket ECU.
Kevin--Yeah those numbers are really weak. I bet the 87 octane was causing a bit of a knock, which the ECU cured by pulling back timing which had the nast side effect of killing your hp.
#9
Originally posted by Nealoc187
95emeraldgxe--again you show that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Iron-- BEJAY1 has a G-Force ECU. Thats why I made my comment about yours being the strongest I've seen without an aftermarket ECU.
Kevin--Yeah those numbers are really weak. I bet the 87 octane was causing a bit of a knock, which the ECU cured by pulling back timing which had the nast side effect of killing your hp.
95emeraldgxe--again you show that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Iron-- BEJAY1 has a G-Force ECU. Thats why I made my comment about yours being the strongest I've seen without an aftermarket ECU.
Kevin--Yeah those numbers are really weak. I bet the 87 octane was causing a bit of a knock, which the ECU cured by pulling back timing which had the nast side effect of killing your hp.
#11
Iron Lung,
If your scanner is old and on a SCSI bus, you may need to install the ASPI layer from Adaptec. You can find it here.
ASPI from Adaptec
You may need to install the original driver also.
If your scanner is old and on a SCSI bus, you may need to install the ASPI layer from Adaptec. You can find it here.
ASPI from Adaptec
You may need to install the original driver also.
#12
Originally posted by Iron Lung
Does anyone know how to make a scanner work when you convert over to windows xp. I have a umax arista 3400.
Does anyone know how to make a scanner work when you convert over to windows xp. I have a umax arista 3400.
To keep this on topic those are nice numbers. They are SAE corrected right? I really wonder if the UDP does that much - most of the cars I've seen that I thought dynoed high, have UDPs. My car w/ WSP y and Stillen HAI came to 177 hp and 186 torque (I was at 130,000 miles). 5 speed taken in 3rd. I'd love to have over 200 tq.
#14
Originally posted by 95emeraldgxe
making more HP at the wheels than at the crank .........
making more HP at the wheels than at the crank .........
Back to business, I wonder if there is anything to the fact that you are still using an auto ECU on a 5spd.... hmmm.
Iron, have you had any problems running an auto ECU on your 5spd? any check engine lights or anything like that?
#15
I am thinking either that some dyno's show generally either high or low, or that on occasion, you luck out and own a factory freak. Particularly with 97+, there are a few that come out much better than the norm for what they have.
#16
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Back to business, I wonder if there is anything to the fact that you are still using an auto ECU on a 5spd.... hmmm.
Iron, have you had any problems running an auto ECU on your 5spd? any check engine lights or anything like that?
Back to business, I wonder if there is anything to the fact that you are still using an auto ECU on a 5spd.... hmmm.
Iron, have you had any problems running an auto ECU on your 5spd? any check engine lights or anything like that?
The auto ECU will cause your CEL to come on, becuase it "cant talk" to your transmission anymore. The auto ECU's have an extra part built in especially for the auto's. That's the only reason they come on. But it is my understanding that the CEL light effects emissions only so who cares...
I'm gonna talk to Harold and find out all the power info.
#17
Originally posted by Mishmosh
I am thinking either that some dyno's show generally either high or low, or that on occasion, you luck out and own a factory freak. Particularly with 97+, there are a few that come out much better than the norm for what they have.
I am thinking either that some dyno's show generally either high or low, or that on occasion, you luck out and own a factory freak. Particularly with 97+, there are a few that come out much better than the norm for what they have.
#18
Thanks MAX_PA and Toolrocks I have will try those when I get home.
Nealoc187 I do get have about 8 codes that come up all relating to the automatic sensors. I would like to think that it gave me more horsepower though. Has anyone else who converted done a dyno?
Mishmosh it could be the dyno. The guy at the shop said a new Eclipse came in before me and he was putting down 180 HP with an intake only. Anyone know what they usually dyno?
When I was an auto, I got my car dynoed at Maxus 2001 and it only put down 155hp and 175tq with everthing except for the pulley, but I think my knock sensor was out at that time.
Nealoc187 I do get have about 8 codes that come up all relating to the automatic sensors. I would like to think that it gave me more horsepower though. Has anyone else who converted done a dyno?
Mishmosh it could be the dyno. The guy at the shop said a new Eclipse came in before me and he was putting down 180 HP with an intake only. Anyone know what they usually dyno?
When I was an auto, I got my car dynoed at Maxus 2001 and it only put down 155hp and 175tq with everthing except for the pulley, but I think my knock sensor was out at that time.
#19
Originally posted by Iron Lung
Thanks MAX_PA and Toolrocks I have will try those when I get home.
Nealoc187 I do get have about 8 codes that come up all relating to the automatic sensors. I would like to think that it gave me more horsepower though. Has anyone else who converted done a dyno?
Mishmosh it could be the dyno. The guy at the shop said a new Eclipse came in before me and he was putting down 180 HP with an intake only. Anyone know what they usually dyno?
When I was an auto, I got my car dynoed at Maxus 2001 and it only put down 155hp and 175tq with everthing except for the pulley, but I think my knock sensor was out at that time.
Thanks MAX_PA and Toolrocks I have will try those when I get home.
Nealoc187 I do get have about 8 codes that come up all relating to the automatic sensors. I would like to think that it gave me more horsepower though. Has anyone else who converted done a dyno?
Mishmosh it could be the dyno. The guy at the shop said a new Eclipse came in before me and he was putting down 180 HP with an intake only. Anyone know what they usually dyno?
When I was an auto, I got my car dynoed at Maxus 2001 and it only put down 155hp and 175tq with everthing except for the pulley, but I think my knock sensor was out at that time.
I need an ECU to send to JWT to have reprogrammed anyway, I'm about to just buy an auto ECU for the heck of it. There are alot more of them available, and after seeing your results, I'd like to compare an auto to my 5spd ECU. I'm not worried about CEL because mine is on all the time anyways, I was just wondering if there are any problems with various systems functioning.
#20
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Its not the dyno, your HP numbers would be inflated too if it was. But they aren't. 180hp from a V6 eclipse with just intake is about right, they put down 170 stock.
I need an ECU to send to JWT to have reprogrammed anyway, I'm about to just buy an auto ECU for the heck of it. There are alot more of them available, and after seeing your results, I'd like to compare an auto to my 5spd ECU. I'm not worried about CEL because mine is on all the time anyways, I was just wondering if there are any problems with various systems functioning.
Its not the dyno, your HP numbers would be inflated too if it was. But they aren't. 180hp from a V6 eclipse with just intake is about right, they put down 170 stock.
I need an ECU to send to JWT to have reprogrammed anyway, I'm about to just buy an auto ECU for the heck of it. There are alot more of them available, and after seeing your results, I'd like to compare an auto to my 5spd ECU. I'm not worried about CEL because mine is on all the time anyways, I was just wondering if there are any problems with various systems functioning.
#21
Originally posted by Craig Mack
Hey Iron Lung,
Are you using the Auto ECU and harness? I am and Harold dyno'ed and said it gave him more HP/TQ over the manual ECU...it would be cool if that gives us a significant boost in power!
Hey Iron Lung,
Are you using the Auto ECU and harness? I am and Harold dyno'ed and said it gave him more HP/TQ over the manual ECU...it would be cool if that gives us a significant boost in power!
#22
Originally posted by 95emeraldgxe
making more HP at the wheels than at the crank .........
making more HP at the wheels than at the crank .........
Edit: Oh yeah, great numbers Iron Lung. You're making about the same as a 5th gen, I think. I'd love to see how much you'd make with an MEVI! Any idea what you'd run in the 1320?
#23
I don't want to take anything away from Ironlung, but IMO I think the dyno might have something to do with it. I've seen a handful of V6 Eclipses dyno at my shop and they couldn't break 170fwhp. This was with intakes, catbacks, and UDPs too. Ironlung's Max dynoed at 191fwhp and 205ft/lbs which is pretty high in both hp and tq. He's not running lightweight rims and tires either. Type E's aren't terribly heavy, but they are a bit heavier than stock, especially with the KDWs.
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
#24
Originally posted by Dave B
I don't want to take anything away from Ironlung, but IMO I think the dyno might have something to do with it. I've seen a handful of V6 Eclipses dyno at my shop and they couldn't break 170fwhp. This was with intakes, catbacks, and UDPs too. Ironlung's Max dynoed at 191fwhp and 205ft/lbs which is pretty high in both hp and tq. He's not running lightweight rims and tires either. Type E's aren't terribly heavy, but they are a bit heavier than stock, especially with the KDWs.
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
I don't want to take anything away from Ironlung, but IMO I think the dyno might have something to do with it. I've seen a handful of V6 Eclipses dyno at my shop and they couldn't break 170fwhp. This was with intakes, catbacks, and UDPs too. Ironlung's Max dynoed at 191fwhp and 205ft/lbs which is pretty high in both hp and tq. He's not running lightweight rims and tires either. Type E's aren't terribly heavy, but they are a bit heavier than stock, especially with the KDWs.
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
I went to the track, but I didn't run without the nitrous, but I'll go back on Thursday to see what it will do N/A. I had a horrible 60'(2.4) but I ran a 14.1@102mph with the nitrous surging on and off because I'm running really rich(as much as 10.5/1).
I am still trying to learn how to effectively launch so hopefully by cooler weather I will have some better 60'. Tommorow I will post the dyno and air fuel charts when I get the scanner to work.
#25
Originally posted by Iron Lung
You could be right. But doesnt the new eclipse have 210 hp at the crank? I should have also mentioned that I dynoed on my stock 16" and tires(toyo)(which arent that light either) because I have been testing out the nitrous and when launching on my 17" it made it feel as if my motor was gonna come off of the mounts. GOOD LORD is it violent.
I went to the track, but I didn't run without the nitrous, but I'll go back on Thursday to see what it will do N/A. I had a horrible 60'(2.4) but I ran a 14.1@102mph with the nitrous surging on and off because I'm running really rich(as much as 10.5/1).
I am still trying to learn how to effectively launch so hopefully by cooler weather I will have some better 60'. Tommorow I will post the dyno and air fuel charts when I get the scanner to work.
You could be right. But doesnt the new eclipse have 210 hp at the crank? I should have also mentioned that I dynoed on my stock 16" and tires(toyo)(which arent that light either) because I have been testing out the nitrous and when launching on my 17" it made it feel as if my motor was gonna come off of the mounts. GOOD LORD is it violent.
I went to the track, but I didn't run without the nitrous, but I'll go back on Thursday to see what it will do N/A. I had a horrible 60'(2.4) but I ran a 14.1@102mph with the nitrous surging on and off because I'm running really rich(as much as 10.5/1).
I am still trying to learn how to effectively launch so hopefully by cooler weather I will have some better 60'. Tommorow I will post the dyno and air fuel charts when I get the scanner to work.
Black VQ, its 205tq rated at the crank, where'd you get 208?
#28
Originally posted by Iron Lung
I went to the track, but I didn't run without the nitrous, but I'll go back on Thursday to see what it will do N/A. I had a horrible 60'(2.4) but I ran a 14.1@102mph with the nitrous surging on and off because I'm running really rich(as much as 10.5/1).
I went to the track, but I didn't run without the nitrous, but I'll go back on Thursday to see what it will do N/A. I had a horrible 60'(2.4) but I ran a 14.1@102mph with the nitrous surging on and off because I'm running really rich(as much as 10.5/1).
with my 5-shot I went 14.0@99mph....go figure
#30
Ok this damn scanner is driving me crazy. I installed the adaptec ASPI installer and I reinstalled the scanner software. This is what it tells me when I run the scanner test:
Error Message
Scanner Access Fail
Solution
Can not find UMAX scanner, Please check the following items:
1. The scanner is not power on and ready
2. Your scanner is not power on before your system start.
Well I can assure you that the scanner is on.
When I go into the scanner program and try to aquire:
Error Opening Data Source
Do I need to buy another scanner?
Oh and I just found out that my cd writer dosent work anymore also
Error Message
Scanner Access Fail
Solution
Can not find UMAX scanner, Please check the following items:
1. The scanner is not power on and ready
2. Your scanner is not power on before your system start.
Well I can assure you that the scanner is on.
When I go into the scanner program and try to aquire:
Error Opening Data Source
Do I need to buy another scanner?
Oh and I just found out that my cd writer dosent work anymore also
#33
Originally posted by Craig Mack
Neal,
The auto ECU will cause your CEL to come on, becuase it "cant talk" to your transmission anymore. The auto ECU's have an extra part built in especially for the auto's. That's the only reason they come on. But it is my understanding that the CEL light effects emissions only so who cares...
I'm gonna talk to Harold and find out all the power info.
Neal,
The auto ECU will cause your CEL to come on, becuase it "cant talk" to your transmission anymore. The auto ECU's have an extra part built in especially for the auto's. That's the only reason they come on. But it is my understanding that the CEL light effects emissions only so who cares...
I'm gonna talk to Harold and find out all the power info.
#34
Originally posted by johnvt1111
So there is an auto ecu for 99's? If so where did u get it and how much?
So there is an auto ecu for 99's? If so where did u get it and how much?
#38
Originally posted by Dave B
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
The real test would be to have Ironlung take his car to the track. With numbers like that, he should easily be hitting 97mph+ trapspeeds quite easily on a cooler day.
Dave
#39
Thats a very very good time, and the trapspeed says you are definately making decent power even under hot and humid conditions. does anyone have a program that allows them to overlay 2 images, so they can overlay Iron Lungs torque curve with some other bolt on 5spds and see how they compare?
#40
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Looking at your n/a air/fuel chart, your car looks to be running perfect. The A/F starts off a little leaner (~13.5:1) at lower rpms but then gradually richens to ~12:1 at higher rpms. Looks good. However, your nitrous A/F could use some work at ~4600 rpm. Look at the rich A/F at that rpm (~10.5:1) and corresponding torque dip at the same rpm. You're so rich at that rpm that you have a torque dip there. There is nothing mechanical (cams, intake manifold, etc) that would explain that feature. If you could tune the A/F to around 11.5:1 from 4300-on (to match what you have ~5500 rpm), I think you'd see that torque dip go away and have more torque between ~4500 and 5300 rpms.
Originally posted by Iron Lung
This is the Air Fuel Chart:
This is the Horspower graph:
And the Torque:
This is the Air Fuel Chart:
This is the Horspower graph:
And the Torque: