make my car fast like ures too! i dont want to get broke w/ a semi fast car =/

 

has either of you even dynoed your cars? im curious what your numbers are to pull this stunt off.

 

Im with Dave B here and am raising the BS flag. These guys are two of the biggest jokes I have seen. All of a sudden he mysteriously finds a timeslip when his run comes into question. Look at the numbers they just dont add up. After the 1/8 mile the car that was running just explodes. The only way an Maxima can do that is with F/I. I have seen Nealoc187 run many times with probably one of the fastest 4th gens on this board and yours dont even come close after the 1/8. Am I the only person that can see that this guy imported this timeslip from somewhere eles???

Until you have your 14.0 run on video with a credible witness, which cannot be Nightrider, you are full of it.

 

Well said.


So then, who does the fastest N/A Maxima title go to?

 

The fastest legimate N/A 5th gen would be Emax with a 99.5mph trap speed.

The fastest legimate N/A 4th gen would probably be me with a 97.8mph trap speed.

The quickest N/A 5th gen would be ?? (can't remember his handle, used to own a Prelude) with a 14.2@99mph.

The quickest N/A 4th gen would go to theBlue with his 14.2@95mph.



Dave

 

i believe his handle was something like maximus1000

 

Hey Dave

Are there mods on your car that aren't listed on your web-site? What makes your car so much faster than the other cars on the org with the same mods? Because that crown is a pretty lofty one to claim with just the mods you have listed on you web-site. Papasmurf stated that he had other work done that he refuses to divulge which is purely up to him. That's why i'm asking about any other mods not listed. I haven't seen him run his 1/4, but i've seen the engine bay and it definitely looks very unconventional in terms up upgrades.

 

I think that's right.
-Cyrus

 

since when was a 14.6 so amazing... dave runs about what he should, if not a little slower (due to his track)

 

that run was without his MEVI. i can also vouch for his trapspeeds because though i wasnt there for the 98mph run i have been with him several times and seen numerous 95 to high 96mphs.

 

I have riden in his max before.. trust me that he is with bolt on his car moves.. i know. sup bruce.. i am still feeling cold from last time on dpa..

 

Everything that's listed on my homepage is on my car. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not significantly faster than the other 4th gens on this Org. This season I averaged high 96s with a few 97s including my rare 97.79mph trap. How did I go this fast? It probably had something to do with the 50 degree weather, 40psi in all tires, and a 15mph tailwind. The 01 Mustang GT in the lane next to me went 98mph and we were neck and neck the whole way (I got a better reaction, he got a better 60') so I know my trap speed is legit and I had fellow witnesses. There is nothing "lofty" about running this fast with a 2.5" y-pipe, hybrid intake, UDP, B-pipe, and RT cat because others are running high 96s with the same or less mods. I'm only fractionally faster. I know that when Jeff K had his 96 SE, it went 97mphs in the 1/4 and all he had was the typical bolt-ons. Quick and fast are two different things. Quick is your ET and fast is your MPH. My 14.68 isn't anything special in this Org.

Papasmurf's "unconventional" engine bay looks just like any other modded NA 4th gen I've seen. The only difference is he's relocated the battery and his intake pipe looks a little different. The intake manifold looks like the stock piece with the same poor flowing intake runners that aren't tuned for high-rpm power. It looks like he's still got a MAF so I don't think he's running a stand alone ECU system (like it would make much difference on the NA VQ anyways). I don't know what else you could be seeing. Cylinder head work, cams, throttle body, increased displacement, etc are not things you can see when looking under the hood. These mods haven't been developed yet either and no small operation could pull off such a feat. JWT has been trying to develop cams for the VQ for the past 4 years. The problem is the ECU.


Dave

 

I never meant it in a way of it being such a great time. But i was curious as to the post Dave placed on here claiming to be the fastest N/A 4th gen max on the org. His explanation is ok, but the point i was trying to make was that you never know what someone has done to their car unless you either see their engine bay or watch it or hear it run for yourself. I'm not trying to discredit anyone here on the org., but unless you see it for yourself, you shouldn't just all of a sudden think someone is full of it. Or if you can't see your car doing what another does, it does't mean that it can't be done. Rather than debating on whether it is BS, someone should ask the man (Papasmurf) what he has done. If he refuses to gie out he info, it's because he either wants the title for himself or he might be planning on marketing it himself. Just my .02

 

I beleive you because nightrider's max moves like the wind and he admitts to be slower than bruce, so i definitely think the time slip is real.

 

yes, a very empty engine bay, relocated the batter and the trunk was gutted. No window on the passenger side , that is why i was cold on DPA. Also no a/c no radio nothing, just the bear neccisity and gas.
man did he snap my head back when he was like "ready", i was like do your thing, i was like oh shiet, go go go..i was scared that i was wieghing him down, that is another 260lbs on the max with me in it. i dont think he ate for fear of wiegh restriction. j/k but i give papasmurf alot of props, driving all the way from MD doing 160+ getting pulled over like7 times.. lol.. pasted a cop doing 90+ and cop gave him a warning, just slow down ok.. i was rotflmao.

hey bruce when are you coming up to see us again.?

 

160+?!?!??

 

That's right. Some people don't realize how serious he is - he has no IAC valve, EGR, spare, lid supports, rear deck cover, splash guard under the car. It is really stripped! And we all know that weight has a lot to do with times, so why id this so unbelievable? I don't think ANYONE has that stripped of a Maxima.
-Cyrus

 

like i said... i think he didnt have any rear seats.. he left what is nessesary to drive the max, driver seat, windshield hood, tires engine tranny, rotors, pads, you get what i am saying.

Striped as it could be, and its not for those into comfort. i kinda feel sorry for the women

 

That is the main reason i beleive that Papasmurf has the fastest N/A max on the org. I don't think anyone has gone to the lenghts to shave off time and increase speed the way he has. He's basically looking at being the first 13 sec N/A on the org if he keeps it up.

 

hm, you mean no one has ever attemped before? there must be someone else out there running 13+ n/a with a 2500lb maxima, and a midget drving it, no offence, or remote controlled

 

I still don't think you guys understand the reason some people are (whispering) BS. Okay, he has massive weight reduction and some odd engine mods (no EGR, AC compressor, etc). I totally agree that all this stuff would shave a good amount of time from his 1/4mi times. Heck, his 14.09 is totally reasonable considering that...faster than I would estimate but reasonable.

The problem come from his TIME SLIP. The 1/8-mi and 1/4-mi times DO NOT JIVE for a car that has even his mods. Even if his car only weighs 2700 lbs and is extremely strong and makes, say 260 HP, IT IS NOT NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE to accelerate as quickly as his time slip indicates from the 1/8-mi to 1/4-mi marker. He would have to make a lot ...A LOT... more power than even 260 (which is a wildly high and frankly impossible number).

If the time slip is legit, perhaps the 1/8mi timing was off or the track is not setup correcly at 1/8mi. His time simply cannot be explained away by "Dood, his car has all this weird stuff done it and it's wickedly fast! I've been in it and crapped my pants it was so fast!!!"...that does not explain it.

 

Anyone that believes this guy I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell ya for a good price. To the person that posted his car is stripped..... he said earlier in the post "1. My total car weight is 2800+ ". Well Nealoc187's 96 GXE weighs 2870(neal correct me if im wrong). Compare one of Neal's timeslips vs PapaSmurfs and you can easily see that wasnt his car on the slip. I dont care what secret mods this joker has but there is no way his "mad top end" is gonna make his car pull like that timeslip indicated after the 1/8 mile. Nitrous or a S/C maybe I would believe, but he doesnt have either.

 

omg

 

wow first time i ever seen that used lol


i dont know , one way to find out if its the truth is to run him, fair and square.

 

To me, it strikes me as odd that you'd search high and low for that one special time slip to show as proof... And then to find that 2nd gear was missed to boot... And there is no other time slip anywhere close to that... To me, that spells FLUKE.

 

I'm going to be the 290237420974 person to call bullsh!t. The fact that Dave B has posted evidence that strongly contradicts what Papasmurf posted on that time slip (with papasmurf simply replying "I don't want to give up my l337 s33kRitS", or something similar), and offering no further proof. It just seems a bit sketchy to me that he would have such an insanely fast car, but not want to explain how it IS so insanely fast.

 

this post is rather amusing. it's surprising how many people are frustrated about Bruce's 1/4 claim. i suppose the "glory" of having one the fastest NA maximas is apparently quite important to some members on this board. so important they react with sarcastic remarks and insults. pretty lame.

i applaud the members who have questioned the physics of the his run and are willing to debate the facts, but to those who are name calling why not just save the .org database a few kilobytes.

i've seen bruce's car and it's a mess--not one bit of comfort, it's all race. i have not seen him run 14.0 in the quarter, but given the proper conditions it seems remotely possible. whether that time slip is really his no one will ever really know.

currently there's a few of us from the DC board joking around about who's has the fastest NA in our area. i suspect we'll find out soon enough if it's bruce or not. i'm willing to bet he'll be in the top two though. right behind me! hehe ok so i couldn't resist.

 

but seriously.... he said earlier that the reason the slip is strange is because he messed up 2nd gear... this would mean he really has a 13 second maxima on any day under any conditions if he can mess up and still run a 14.2 (anybody who has missed a gear at the track will know how much time it adds)

so head back to the track and run again... you should have no problems getting low 14s...

 

Well, Bruce's car didn't stop moving when he boched the gear. He still ran through second. I've driven the car and his shifter is so short that its harder to find the right gear. In a racing situation, he may accidently put the shifter in the wrong position resulting in grinding. Eventually he finds his gear. I'm sure he'll run again once he gets a tune-up. That's all he's been crying about recently.

MAX2000JP: You have not posted anything worth reading in this thread. Please stop posting.

 

How often does he go to the track?

 

Not often at all. Bruce is mainly tied up with work. He is in the US Navy. Most of our racing is done on roadcourse or battling it out on the highway. He's not a 1/4 mile driver. The car is fast, but he just has to practice engaging second gear in a race. That car acts funny. The transmission gets kind of sticky and makes it hard to shift. He'll get it down though. The thing is that the people on this board are trying to get him to do something that this car was not built to do. Its a highway, high speed car. Not a 1/4 mile car. There is a difference. Quarter mile times won't prove anything with this car. But since you guys requested it, he trying to get it.

 

So I guess his car would chirp in 4th gear if his top end is so fast??? I don't know something smells fishy to me

 

My car becomes difficult to engage as well when its hot and I've been running it hard. It happens alot less now that I don't have the STS on the lowest setting. Tell him to raise it up a bit and that will help out a lot.
I understand your building your cars for the highway, but when you run a 14.0 with a 2nd gear mishift.... Hey I want some of that highway power for my quarter mile. Did he change out his gears?

 

My car chirps 4th when I'm ***** to the wall going down the drag strip. But my car is stuck in the high 14s around 93 mph , maybe if I lost some of the stereo equipment it would help.

Anyway I'm in the Baltimore area and I'd like to see this car run as well. I think people would consider me a "credible witness"

 

I go to school in Balitmore and I'd love to go watch papasmurf race...

 

Ok let me get this straight. It is a highway car without a VI?? Without a VI 4th gens run out of steam up top. Also I have to take into question how his car does 160+ MPH?? The easist explanation is you two clowns are liars or dont have a clue about what they are talking about.

You say I have added nothing to this thread, but you have no actual response that would make your story believeable. Whenever some like Dave B, Nealoc187, or theblue questions your friends time you say the same thing. These are guys who actually have a clue about modding and racing and you just discredit them. Everyone that actually has a knowledge of maximas and racing is finding this thread and the other you were posting in hillarious.

 

If you get a chance you should try to make it out to some othe DC meets. We even have a few people come up from VA. Check the DC forum for meet times and dates. THe more the merrier.

 

First off its time for me to be an A$$ Hole for a minute, listen to me you little A$$ hole I fight for this country in the Navy everyday of the year, I go to work and put my life on the line, Im not scared of anything. Including you, if you have something to say call me My # is ***-***-**** I'll be glad to talk things out, and if needs be find a place to meet and work things out. If you want me to answer questions about the damm car just send me a pm or call me what ever I just dont have time to sit on here and argue with you all about some bull $hit title, and go round and round in circles about the same crap all the time, that honestly doesnt mean crap to me. DaveB, theblue, Nealoc, you want it you got I dont give a damm. So call your self what ever you want, a moron for all I care just leave me out of something that someone else said. Reply to me dont reply about me thats rude. I know you all are more of an adult than that, grow up if not. And also if anyone is local and feels they want to go out on the highway and run by all means lets go have some fun. Thats all this really is suposed to be anyway.

PS: NY/NJ Guys I'll be keeping an eye on your fourm for the next northeast meet I can make it too and then you all will see some new mods and some old ones gone.

Sincerly,
Bruce
AKA: Papasmurf

"take it" , "i dont want it" from Major Payne