DanSE

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My friend said that his old maxima (94 I think, maybe 93) could take any 4th gen because his is the exact same engine, but the body is lighter. By the way, he is 5-speed. Is this true? I know nothing about 3rd gens?
Thanks,
Dan

TheMax95

3rd gen Auto vs 4th gen auto, I don't think he stands a chance. But if he has 5speed and races a auto 4th gen, it would be a pretty close one, depending on driver of course.

5speed vs 5speed, 4th gen would completely murder it. I know cause I just bought a 96 SE 5speed and it's one fast sucker. Matter of fact, I just destroyed this 5.0 Mustang on Valley RD. All I have is Frankencar intake, stock v6, and 5speed.

DTR Maxima

i agree with that, except i would have to say that a 94se 5speed vs 4thgen auto, both with same mods, or stock the 94' would win.

geo1317

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displacement does not make them the same engine, and 4th gens are lighter.

Dev

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the 3rd gens have two types of engines, one is a VG and the other is a VE.

of those two, the VE is less common, but has more power.
i think the VG has 160hp and the VE has 190hp, while the VQ has 190hp as well.

i don't know much about the VE, but im guessing the VQ has a wider and more torquey powerband.

4th gens are faster than 3rd gens, however a VE 5spd could take a VQ auto.

geo1317

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a good read

D-sta

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My friend has a 97 max auto with about the same mods I have, at the line we're dead even, once I hit 2nd gear I leave him. His car is pretty well maintained but still. The only thing I have over him mods wise is the ACT clutch and flywheel in my 1992 VE 5-speed.

Dev

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so the VE has more peak hp than the VQ30DE...
i'd like to see a 5spd VE keep up with me...

dwapenyi

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Because the VE has a variable intake manifold AND and variable valve timing, and the VQ does not have either. Given that the VQ30DE is kinda basic, yet still generates the same HP as the VE, and better TQ, and also weighs less than the VE b/c it's all aluminum, it's a way better motor.

DW

Dev

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also, the VE's might not be running as well as they once did when they were newer. only very well maintained VE's would be running good numbers.

i like the VQ30DE...
with the weight difference, i feel confident about racing VQ30DE-K's
im going to the track with a few of them in late april, who have more performance modification than myself, so ill see if i can get the edge on them.

D-sta

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My car would be an example of a very well maintained VE. Now I see that you're saying that you think a car like mine could never beat you, possibly. But remember the VE started it all for the VQ. Also I hate to say it but the suspension on the 4th gen is terrible and the 3rd gen is a stronger car overall. The rear beam sucks, my friend has a good suspension set-up on his 4th gen and it doesn't even come close to the 3rd gen. Yeah the article shows that the 4th gen is stronger, well duh, Nissan over the years wants to improve not make their cars worse. And it's all about the driver really, I've taken out 4th gen before especially now with my clutch and flywheel.

bb0ys

Do I sense a little VQ envy? JK JK! I've owned a 3rd and a 4th. Both are respectable cars for their time, and still even today. Nissan has done a good job with the overall Maxima line.

maxspeed96CT

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If both 5spd the 4th gen would take it easy. But i have respect for the third gen's when you realize how old of a car it is and how good it was for its time.

Nealoc187

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IRS is an advantage over broken and uneven pavement. On a smooth racetrack, a beam rear is the superior design. So, on the streets, stock, yes the 3rd gen IRS is desireable, at the limit, racing, the 4th gen multilink beam is the more advantageous design. I really hate getting involved in these 3rd vs 4th gen arguments, but I had to point that out since you said something that was untrue.

maximum810

My VE auto feels quite a bit stronger on the hwy than my 99 SE 5-spd, and it feels more sportscar-like, but I'm not about ot get into the VTC situation....

For other 99 SE owners, does your steering feel extra loose??

TheMax95

Something is wrong with that statement. Maybe because your 5speed is in 5th gear and your VE downshifted to 2nd. Try downshifting the 5speed and flooring it

dwapenyi

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Yeah, the power steering in 4th gens have quite a bit of boost. When I first drove my car, it felt way too easy. Then I got used to it.

DW

dwapenyi

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Here's something that the 3rd gen had that the 4th, 5th and 6th will never have:

The 190 HP VE Maxima, was, for a brief moment, the worlds fastest sports sedan. I saw this one an old Nissan ad somewhere.

DW

D-sta

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This is not to encourage who's better. Of course everyone is going to say what they own is the best. It's always like that. I have respect for every maxima even for the 1st and 2nd gens which were very good cars for their times. So let's keep that in mind now some people may think that the 5th gen is much better than the 4th gen because it's equipped with more horsepower. And the reasons go on. Still Maxima's of each generation are good cars.

mzmtg

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It was the fastest Japanese sports sedan...

1996blackmax

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I think this link might answer your questions.

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ns/index.shtml

Dev

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sorry i thought we were talking about engines, not suspension.
4th gen suspension is pathetic, i'll admit that.
but i don't see many stock 5spd 3rd gens breaking into the 14's.

in a race, i can't picture a equally modded and equally driven 3rd gen beating a 4th gen.

if you give me some 1/4 mile times...then i could see

nesquiknate

i used to have a 3rd gen and now i have a 4th gen. both auto's and both SE's.. the 4th gen is more luxurious but overall i liked the 3rd gen better .. i dont know why maybe its b/c im in high school and want something i dont have to constantly worry about while its parked in the school lot. the 4th gen is much faster tho.

D-sta

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1/4 mile times to come soon and I should be in the 14's without a problem.

Dev

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just went to your homepage...you got a nice ride
im sure you'll be in the high 14's without a doubt...with your mods.

i was talking about stock though.

anyways dude, im going to the track next month, and have half the performance mods you have...so we'll compare once we get some runs in

D-sta

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thanks for the compliments, you have a nice max yourself. We'll see

Dev

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still trying to get rid of the hideous wheel gap
seems that my max is higher than everyone elses stock...lol

i just bought some used h&r's to run with stock shocks...
once they blow, i got progress springs (and have to buy agx's or illumina's) to go on next

dmontzsta

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OMG: I peak in here for a second and look what I find.

For those of you that say the VQ is "Way Better" you are stupid and dont know your ish, keep saying that, then run "the old 3rd gen" and look stupid. They are very close auto vs auto 5speed vs 5 speed, you may get a jump, but up top the VE will walk you down like a dog.

dmontzsta

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Too bad you werent on the west coast, I would put you and your poop brown 4th gen in its place and make you think twice about how much of a murderer your car is.

Also you sure the 5.0 was racing you? off the line-75mph you should get hammered on.

Mr. Nismo

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Are you kidding? There is no way the 4th gen is much faster! I own them both now, VE auto and VQ auto. My VE has no problems coming out on top. Don't get me wrong, I like both cars. I baby my 99 SE-L but I love driving my 3rd gen.

I'm not getting into this VQ vs VE ****. Both cars are unique in many ways. You can't go wrong with a VQ but do not under estimate the VE. Honestly, both cars are very similar in terms of performance but there is nothing the VE can't do than the VQ. Auto to auto, VE 5 speed vs. VQ 5 speed, it really depends on the driver if both are stock. Post away "gentleman".

Donald be cool.

dwapenyi

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DW

JULIAN

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3rd generation weighs about 100 pounds more than a 4th generation, I have a 1994 Maxima Sales brochure somewhere and the weight was like 3150 pounds and for the 4th generation I see in my 1995 Maxima brochure it says something like 3050 pounds. Also the 4th generation has a little more torque so with same drive in both cars and both 5 speed, the 4th generation would win judging by the numbers.

Nealoc187

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Some people get too riled up about things, debating the cars is fine, resorting to personal attacks is childish.

Nealoc187

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BTW can someone point me to a modded or stock VE 5spd dyno so that I can use it for reference in CarTest2000 and also appraise me of the weight of such a car, with or without driver (just specify which it is).

For the dyno, make sure it's one in good working condition (none of this non-working VTC crap), one we can all agree is representative of a VE powerplant.

dmontzsta

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SteVtec has already done that, thing is there isnt many dynos of the VE.

D-sta

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I should have one soon also, just gotta wait for the clutch to break in. I only have 200 miles on my set-up.

Dev

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if the VE is a high end monster, could you please share some stock as well as modded 1/4 mile trap speeds?

not trying to be rude, i just don't see any numbers for VE's cause i spend more time with 4th gens.

dmontzsta

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Well 4th gens are like civics, there are SO many of them in the Max community.

VE's run low-mid 14s modded.
Stock high-low 15s.

I dont have any slips, but trust me.

Older Nissans were geared towards performance.

Go race one and you will be surprised.

Dev

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as i said before, i only know 2 VG auto owners locally.
we don't have any VE's around here, cause no doubt i would race.

with intake and ypipe, i kept up with a 2k2 6spd.
and with intake only, i kept up with a 2001 5spd intake/ypipe/bpipe
both of these drivers are much more experienced than myself, so if driving skill is the issue, i am the one at the disadvantage.

im still getting to be a better driver, but if i see a stock or mildly modded VE running 95+mph traps, then i agree it has nice high end.

dmontzsta

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http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=159145

Is 98+mph good enough?

With only about $500 in mods?