rich1223

I am thinking of trading my 99 Se 5 speed for a 2001 Se 5 speed i was just wondering ive heard people say the 2001 is a bit slower than the 4th gen max even though it has more horse power is this true?Thanx

los-maxin

I don't know about speed but I know the 5th gen is heavier.

Phoneix

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It could be due to the weight difference. If the '01 SE is heavier than than '99 the '01 will be slower (even though it has 222 vs. 190). I hope that helps

96shogunmax

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I beat an 01 auto maxima, but I am 5spd. Havent gotten my MEVI yet either and I think the 5th Gens have them.

slavik'sMAX

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Yes, the 2000-2001 maximas are slower than 4th gen.
If I am not mistaken, the 5th gen weighs 300 lbs more.....that would definately nullify its power advantage.

SteVTEC

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ns/index.shtml

rich1223

Ok i am back to looking at the 2002 Se auto i looked at first how does this compare to my 99 se 5 speed it has to be prety close i would imagine.

bb0ys

it has half a liter more of NISSAN engineered displacement.

spiff56747

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get a 2002 6 speed that thing will blow away your 99 5 speed in terms of straight line performance

MONTE 01&97 SE

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Alot of 02 autos are running mid to high 14's stock and are trapping at 3-4 mph higher than most stock 4th gen manuals wheras 4th gen manuals are running 15's stock. I would give it to the 02 auto from experience.

99Maxima5sp

Go with the 02, but as is the case with my search, i cant find any 6sp for a decent price, where-as i can find auto 2K2s here allll day long for 16-17K...No 6sps under 21-22K here...


Eric

maximum810

The 2k1 will top better than the 99..well, I would imagine...

nismology

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The fourth-gen runs a 0-60 quicker than the 5th gen (6.6 vs. 6.7) but the 5th-gen is faster in the 1/4 mile (15.1 vs. 15.2) due to it's better top end. If you're thinking about getting a 2002 Maxima, think about it's aftermarket tuning potential. Yea the 3.5 will be much faster stock for stock, but IMHO the 3.0 will be able to make more power for cheaper. You might be able to get intake, exhaust or even headers for the 3.5, but the big power is gonna come from forced induction. Good look on finding a kit for the 2002 Maxima anytime soon, unless money grows on trees.

SteVTEC

Yes, this explains why stock for stock and mod vs mod, the 4th Gen's generally put down BETTER 1/4 mile times than the 5th Gen's.

Read and edj0ocate yourself

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ns/index.shtml

nismology

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Hmm... I wasn't saying one would be faster than the other. I was just giving him #'s to help him make a decision about which car to get. Stock for stock a 5th gen WILL pull on a 4th gen, no doubt. Especially his year Max, as the 97-99 are the slowest 4th gens due to their added weight. And honestly most of the time racing is not done on the 1/4 mile strip. It happens invariably on the highway where top end counts. The real arguement I was trying to get at was 99Maxima5sp comment about getting the 2002 Max. I just wanted to person with the original question to look beyond the stock power difference between the 3.0 and 3.5 and take potential power into consideration according to aftermarket support.

Dev

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97-99's are the slowest 4th gens?
that would explain a 97 being the FASTEST right?
5th gen will pull on 4th gen stock? i've witnessed it the other way around a few times. (3.0...not 3.5)

like Stevtec said...u need to do some more reading...or some more racing

nismology

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Wow. First of all, I was reffering to a 2000-2001 5th gen versus 4th gen. Second of all, of course a 97+ 4th gen can be made fast ultimately like any other Max. I was just saying the difference in performance stock for stock will be more noticable if you go from a 97+ to a 2001 than if you started with a 95-96. If YOU read up on things, you would know that in 97 they reinforced the Max with added material for better crash protection. Guess what, that equals more weight, albeit a marginal difference, but it counts. And as for the fastest Maxima being a 98 GXE, he had substantial weight reduction done so that arguement doesnt apply. You can lighten ANY car. Most of us arent gonna go ahead and remove our seats and battery and spare tire and blah blah blah. And I was talking from personal experience when I said a 5th gen will pull on a 4th gen. Once again, Im not talking about the 1/4 mile, because in the real world, races dont stop there. I've driven a stock 96 SE against my brother's then stock 2001 SE (both 5-speeds) and lost consistently on 2nd gear punches to about 110. And although the 95-96 GXE is the lightest 4th gen, I doubt it would have faired any better.

Dev

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as a matter of fact...the 97 i was talking about is STOCK. it ran a 14.7.
i guess that puts your fast 95-96 theory to rest.
so no...i don't need to read anymore.
as for that retard icon...you should post that on your own forehead

as for your theory on 2001 is faster than 4th gens?
well i have a 99...the slowest 4th gen in your eyes due to extra weight right?

well i beat both of them in the ET, and had higher traps, and they had MORE performance mods than me, all 5spd.
higher trap...meaning...after the race ended...i was going about 2mph faster than they were.
and both of these people drive better than me...so thats not the issue.

as for you losing to your brother...i can't comment on that...but you should have won. maybe switch drivers and try again.

SteVTEC

Thank you for quoting nearly irrelevant mag times. This forum was not born yesterday, in case you haven't noticed. Wow...thanks for your contribution.

So a 5th Gen has 32 HP and 12 TQ extra. Oh yeah, you forgot to mention the 200 lb of extra curb weight and another effective 250 lb of unsprung weight on top of that which cancels all of the effective power and then some.

Yeah, the whopping 7 lb of added curb weight or whatever it was really made a big difference.

That's YOUR perogative. Where I live it's so crowded that there simply isn't any place you can get to where you can get a nice open area to top speed race your car. Top-end is pointless because you'll never be able to utilize it. That's why my "weak" 190HP 4th Gen will stomp all over so many "faster" cars around here.

Yeah that's right. Those heavy 17" rims on most 2000-2001 Maximas sop up every last bit of extra power the car has, along with that +200lb of curb weight. 95/96 and 97-99 are both quicker overall than 00-01. The quickets 00-01's are the ones with 16" or smaller rims. Then they only have the extra 200lb of curb weight to deal with and not the +250lb of unsprung weight on top of that.

Yeah, about 7 lbs

And I am speaking from a technical perspective having written several technical articles on these cars via dyno analysis when I am saying that the opposite can and often is true.

If all you want is top-end power then yeah, a 5th Gen is a better choice. As I stated above though, this is YOUR perogative, and not everybody is stupid enough to be racing at triple digit speeds anyways.

Around in my area there is NO place to race like this. You street race from a light up to about 70-80 mph tops, or occasionally a little highway run barely up to triple digits and that's it.

Considering it's not until about 80 mph where a 5th Gen really starts to move, and you were racing to 110 mph, I can see why you lost. Hint: MEVI


Here's another hint.


You just registered a month ago, and have a whopping 20 odd posts. And according to your profile, you just turned 18. Maybe you don't realize this, but this forum was not born yesterday, and there are people here that have been racing and tuning these cars long before you even had a driver's license. So instead of talking all big with your mag times, I suggest READING and LEARNING about what these cars are really capable of instead of mouthing off to people that have been here AGES longer than you and getting flamed and making a complete **** out of yourself. This isn't some retarded "Honduh" board where anybody that can put together complete and gramatically correct sentences is thought to be a genius. On THIS forum, you actually need that PLUS information that is actually intelligent and correct, okay? You will not fool anybody here.


Here is another hint. Try opening your viewpoint a bit to consider more than just your "little world". I used to own a Honda and thought it was the ****. The problem was that it didn't really get going until about 80 mph. Now, since I live in an area where it's nearly impossible to even get up to 80 mph in the first place, you can see how that MIGHT be a bit of a problem. There are good things and bad things about both of these gens. And if you had bothered reading that article you might realize what those things are.


Thank you for keeping me entertained.