Hello guys.

I have a friend on MSN messneger who happens to own an 88 Integra 2 door on a rebuild engine & manual tranny. We always talk about cars and this guy decided to post a thread on integra forums discussing our cars performance.

Everyone agreed that My maxima SE would beat his integra down performance wise. eventually this thread went on to a point where now they are comparing the cars handling. Integra owners at that forum say that their Integra outhandles our maxima in everyway. Since im a new maxima owner and generally dont know much about cars, i just wanted to hear your opinions and feedback on this.
I asked them to post a thread here and discuss it but we decided that i post a thread and they just view it and post comments if interested.

The integra thread can be found here:
http://www.g1teg.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7596

 

him asdfasfd

 

Yes i have already agreen that their car hanles much better in corners but they say that their car also outhandles us down the freeway doing 100 mph. whats ur comment on this?

 

yeah him. Outhandle at 100mph?, tell him to try to turn his wheels at 100mph and see if he lives to tell about it, he'll go sliding around like crazy. By the way I wanna swap the 3rd gen's rear independent suspension into a 4th gen, start the flames people...

 

still him asfdasfd

 

even in ride quality?

 

ride quality you

BTW you are 0 and 2 now. 1st with the Focus and now with a 88 teg.

 

HAHAHAH SVT FOCUS 5spd. shame on that foo beating an automatic 4 door with 3 passenger inside by half a car!

 

Again Doggy, I will say ......

Handling = Suspension Dynamics , handling does not have to deal with how a car can cruise at 100mph down a freeway.

ANY modern car can handle cruising at 100mph with ease if give the proper, and in good condition tires.

If i say my Integras can outhandle your Maxima @ 100mph , i am speaking of the type of handling that actually MATTERS.

Braking
Emergency Manuvers
Accident Avoidment

Because it is an overall better handling car, due to lighter weight , lower center of gravity. And the Integra line has always been focused around phenominally great handling cars.

Even the first Gen with its Torsion Bar + Shock , and Semi Independent Rear was a excellent handling car , even in stock form.

The Maxima is a very similar setup , especially the SE model , tuned toward "sports".

But due to its concept of 4 doors , and an extensive larger amount of heft (weight) ....

That would be its largest handicap.

Now the Gen you speak of is even a little more complex than lets say ...its previous fully independent suspension relative ....

(not sure why nissan had to go the cheapo route on that one)

 

 

I feel Doggy on that rice shyt...those people in the civics and integras and svt's will say just about anything to make them think they can beat a Max. Even after they lose a race, they will still talk, guess they cant believe they got smoked by a 4door lolol right in front of their eyes. i think the 88 integra will handle the same as a max se but after 100mph, the integra might start 2 fall apart..

 

Yup , ever Car scene has its fair share of idiots. I have been beat by a Maxima on a SuperCharger ..and i wasnt suprised. I mean it has a 300zx engine, how can it not be capable of awesome performance.

But your comment on "integra @ 100mph would fall apart"

Just shows you dont know much about Honda's.

I have had both my Integras to some pretty high triple digit speeds

130 mph in the ZC power G1 (89) Integra
150+ mph in the 2001 Integra Type R

NO! they did not fall apart, only some lift in the G1. But nothing truly major.

If anything is going to fall apart. It would be a nissan.

Nissan = The General Motors of Japanese Automakers ....

if you dont know what that means .....i'll spell it out ....

(subpar quality compared to other Japanese Automakers like Toyota, Honda, Subabru)

 

Doggy you need to do alot more research, you dont know what you're talking about ur 0 - 3, teg, focus, and SE edition lol. i think you need to realize that regardless of if you're an auto or 5 speed the focus took you, and you're just trying to justify a reason to make it look like it doesnt matter

 

Are we talking about stock or modified. If we're talking stock to stock down to the tires, the Integra GSR will probably outhandle a 95-99 Maxima SE on the skid pad and they'd probably be equal in the slalom due to the Maxima's superior beam axle rear (better for slalom). Braking wise, they're probably within 5-10' of each other.

With suspension mods, I'd put my 96 SE with light 17s, Z-rated tires, stage I/II subframe connectors, H&R springs, Motivational rear strut mounts, and Koni/AGX struts up against any Integra with a similar setup and street tires. The only advantage I see is the fact that the Integra is smaller which gives the car more room for correction and that the rear IRS on the Integra can deal better with bumpy turns. Weight wise, the 4th gen Maxima isn't terribly heavy with weights ranging from 2900-3000lbs without driver. This is not a heavy sedan. My friend as a stock Integra GSR and I've driven it. It doesn't hold a candle to what my car can do in terms of handling. Other friends have modified Del Sols and Civics. We toy around on highway entrance ramps and I can stay with them. My car isn't as composed, but it still stays very close to the Del Sols with quality coilovers, light 15s, and Z-rated tires.


Dave

 

I have a 90 SE 5spd. Its my old max. About 3-4 years ago I matched up with an integra and I had him from start to finish. The integra isnt any faster than the maxima. Well after it was done we talked, he ended up blaming the loss on his new rims, which appeared to be racing style type with all the thin spokes. So I know what u mean about them still talking afterwards.

 

The GSR will probably in the salom because they are smaller/lighter. The stock GSR handles like a modified maxima. I can only imagine what a highly modified gsr could do. Since they race these things, there is much more aftermarket support out there for them.

 

You think a Stock Gs-R handles well , you should see a Type R ....

 

My brother has a gsr w/ AGXs/springs and 16" rims. I have a 3-gen with shocks/springs frt/rear SBs and 17x8s" We can play along with each other fine. I can follow him and he can follow me no problem. But when I drove his car, the same moves are much easier. Turn-ins are quick and precise. If he was driving my car and I was driving his car, I could probably leave him fairly easy. The teg is just that much more nimble/light than the maxima.

 

Jeff, you were in top form in that thread

Stock for stock even if it's a first-gen I'm going overall handling-wise with the integ. If you get into aftermarket 95-99 maxima vs. stock 1st gen integra coupe, you blur a lot of lines. equal aftermarket attention, I can't really vouch for, but I would just guess the integra.

I felt a lot more comfortable/safe in my stock G2 integra LS going 130mph than I did going 105mph on the same highway in my stock 4th-gen SE 5-speed max, both with the same make/model of rubber (different sizes) with decent tread. I was scared with the way the maxima floated and responded at 105mph. Both cars were very solid during the runs, but the max was much more refined...but what's refined when you're fearing for life and limb?

 

word to the wise:

NEVER buy a car from a company that also makes weedeaters

 

Actually Nissans rank higher than Subarus for longevity. If anything Mistubishi is the worst out of all the Jap car manufacturers. Nissan always sports the highest horsepower and most luxury in the same class comapred with Toyota & Honda. With that extra baggage you'd have to expect it to be the first to have probs, as small as they may be.

 

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what? whats 0-3 man?
i never raced any 88 teg's, what u smoking dude? SE edition? uh?

i only lost to that svt focus cuz i had late start. if that sissy didnt turn into freeway, id ask him for a 2nd run and show him what SVT FOCUS is capable of doing. it can only KEEP UP with my automatic max! shame on Special Vehicle Team, Focus

 

to TsunamiDC2R, who has one of the top 10 best V6 out there, not honduh or intergra. General motors???? the civic is a fuel saver car, i never see the point to floor it with fuel savers...honda can keep making their weedwakers.Maybe i dont know alot about hondas and ac integras, but i do know everytime they lose races 2 me, they blame it on some bs...

 

hehe General Motors of Japan. Its funny how VQ series engine(Under the hood of maxima's) has been winning awards year after year and Nissan Altima was named 2002 north american car of the year and then g35 was name best new car of 2003 by motor trend. but all that makes us the GM of japan, imagine what the rest are !

 

it IS a shame your ride quality (with all that wheel gap) is nice and cushy, but not good for agressive handling

 

you just wait and gimmi time. Progress springs and illuminas will be down my house soon. you just wait, ok? !

 

soon means by christmas

 

soon mean "eventually" why didnt u just edit ur previous post?

 

lol GM of japan.. that's funny, because GM makes some of the fastest cars in the domestic market, like the vette. They also make trucks that last longer than any other thing on the road. I had a GMC PU that I beat the crap out of, and it held together like say. "a rock"... excuse the cheese. I find your comparison pretty weak.. btw, I know that hondas tend to last forever, but so do nissans. I am unbiased, and have no hatred toward hondas (other than the fact every frat boy and his mom and sorority sister has one) I know that all motor 4 cyl hondas are more capable than all motor nissans. My friend has an lsvtec and it hauls ***, I wouldn't even try to race him with my 4 door grocery getter N/A V6 that weighs 500+ pounds more and makes less power.

However I would urge you to take a closer look at the Japanese racing scene (the most competitive in the world) and see what 2 cars dominate the 4 cyl and 6 cyl scene. Definately not 'subpar quality' cars. and 10/1 odds they are both nissans (i'll let you figure out which ones)

 

the 4 and 6 cyl cars dominating japans racing scene? lol.............. IMO not nissans

 

That's pretty funny.

I did, well my wife and I did. We are very happy with our little 2000 Civic EX coupe. She wanted to buy a smaller car for her. I tried to get her to look at the Altimas at the time, but she really liked CC, what our kids call the car . Sure the thing even with the "VTEC" is no torque monster or anything close to a rocket but it has been very reliable, great mileage on that 87 octane gas, and for the price, it handles very nicely, specially with the Yokohamas that are now on it. It sure feels better than my Max did when the Max had the stock suspension, specially around the corners. I like driving it around once in a while, and when I miss the power I just jump right back into the Max .

 

ok, I was the one who originally compared nissan with GM, and here is what I mean by that.

GM makes great engines, super reliable. so does nissan.

nissan makes GREAT engines. every bit as reliable and with as much longevity as honda and toyota. its not the engine where Nissan falls short of the other two. it's everything else.

it's the overall build quality of the WHOLE CAR that makes them fall short. great engines, mediocre clutch, mediocre fit & finish, uncomfortable seats, and CRAPPY brakes. nissan makes some of the worst brakes in the business (and trust me, i should know, i drive a 97 200SX SE-R regularly, and I own a 79 porsche 924.. which has braking performance on par with a C5 corvette)

this SE-R has 92k miles on it. the brakes are about shot. (not sure of the mileage on the brakes), whereas my integra's brakes have had 60,000 miles of ABUSE and they still look MUCH, MUCH better than the nissan's)

 

humm?.........can you say SR20DET,SR20DE,RB26DETT,RB25DET

what motors are YOU talking about bro.
name ONE motor that can compete with the SR20 that has not changed(as the SR20 has not)since its first year of production in 1991.

oh, sorry time's up...YOU CAN'T

even better how about the SR20DE VVL?

 

I agree with you on some of these, but mediocre clutch?...max still laying down full power with 140,000 mi. on stock clutch. uncomfortable seats?...91-94 sentra se-r. I agree with you on brakes.

 

Just read through both this and the Teg board threads. In terms of handling I would think autocrossing would be a great comparison.

Stock vs stock the Integra (especially TypeR) usually outperforms the 4th gen Maxima in tight maneuvers with it's lighter weight and lower stance. Lots of braking and accelerating transitions can give the edge to the Maxima though because of the greater torque.

I like what Shawn on the other board said.That absolutely correct. Without similar prepped cars and drivers it's very hard to compare.

My Max usually beats up on the local Integra's here in autox. But for regional events better drivers in Teg's can beat up on me.
August in Milwaukee for instance...

• '01 Integra on race rubber -- 105.6s
• '97 Maxima on street rubber - 110.9s
• '98 Integra on street rubber - 113.4s

The SCCA lines up our cars like this for classing
Integra Type R - stands alone except for the new Sentra SpecV
Maxima 92+ = Integra 90+
Maxima 91 and before = Integra 86-89

Over the years neither has proved a significant overdog over the other.

Good timing on the post - tomorrows Chitown event is called the VTEC challenge with a course designed with Honda/Acura's in mind.
http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/200...ent6_flyer.pdf

We'll see how it all shakes out