You do not have to have race gas to run high compression. If the combustion chamber, piston tops and cam profiles are designed right there is no reason why you can't run 12 to 1 on 93 octane pump gas.
Can a VQ30 make 300hp na? Yes.

What will it take?
A Custom intake manifold with 6 TBs and velocity stacks
Custom cams
Custom ECU tuning
Headers that work
Higher compression
New Ti valvetrain for the higher sustained RPM
New light weight and stronger connecting rods
New pistons.


That should pretty much do it but the low end and daily drivability would be greatly compromised.

 

he ment high HP from N/A before the introduction of a F/I thats a nice car

 

Finally an intelligent answer.

 

You can't have both. The people that think this is possible obviously don't know much about cars. I didn't mean anything by calling him a moron, other than for a joke. But reading what people are saying about having NA and FI is really making me think you are morons.

Naturally aspired and forced induction are two different worlds. You need different cams for turbo cars than you would on a strictly NA car. Would you beef up your exhaust manifold for your NA car, and then through a turbo manifold on it?? You can't have both! NA cars usaully run high, high compression pistons or over bore the cylinders. How long could a turbo run with high compression pistons or incorrect cams?

When you build a car, you can't build it NA, then throug a turbo on it. Well you can, but it wouldn't make sense.

 

Cams don't matter they just help running in the higher rpms. Turbo cams and N/A cams are different but that is just because each one will help its right application better. You could run higher compression and forced induction, you won't be able to run high psi but it is possiable just need to tune the car right. Need to keep the detonation down!

 

Cams don't matter for what?

 

im sorry. i ment a well built up engine + FI fun fun fun!

wow i swear the org has turned into a bunch of haters. probably because 80% are under 20, have altezzas and big Egos

http://maxima.cardomain.com/member_p...=182969&page=7

 

Wow, who's car is that?

 

I thought they just helped top end?

 

that is furbliss's* ride. i think i got the name wrong. he's on the org. the engine isn't running at this moment because of oil delivery problems...last i heard...looks to be one of a kind...

 

dude, all your posts are overkill. You post about him saying N/A & FI after we bust on him, then you continue to post about why you can't FI and N/A a car after people are explaining that he meant build up an engine as much as possible, then add FI. Then, in the middle of all this, you have the ***** to say settle down? Why don't you start reading the forum instead of just posting.....

didn't the 300zx have a VQ30 in it at one point? Are there any internals that can be used from that?

Or how about forgeting NA&FI, and just going for mucho bolt-ons and turbog....

 

i said well built NA engine, i didnt say higer compression or advance timing. building an engine could just include new pistons, cams, etc... you could increase or lower the compression, i didnt say that. a fully built engine is still NA...then turbo it, THAT is that i meant.

 

No and no.
The '84 - '89 300ZX (Z31) had a choice of a VG30E or a VG30ET
The '90 - '96 300ZX (Z32) had a choice of a VG30DE or a VG30DETT


The VQ30DE was only offered in the '95 - '01 Maxima (A32 and A33)

Speaking of the North American market of course.

 

yeah so? I can build a na 2.0 liter to run 300hp na. It's just a function of fuel and rpm(provided the engine can take it). But will it be streetable? Will is pass emissions? Will it get more than 5 mpg? Will it have ANY low end??? NO ON ALL COUNTS.

Doesn't anyone think around here?

 

yea...that kinda goes beyond the point of a maxima. a n/a engine (small liter, high power) likes to rev really high, and idle funky, and sucks a lot of gas. almost every single org member uses their car to get around and drive, not just bring to the track

 

 

no we dont...thats why this thread has so many responses

 

http://maxima.cardomain.com/member_p...=182969&page=7

..hemi

 

n/a + fi = Da bomb..........priceless!!!!!!

 

ya i suck. but luckily the people who read it and didn't have a head up their own asses knew what i ment. honestly wtf all i read on this board is hate hate hate. fuqin lame.

 

noone has their head up their ***. simple fact of the matter is you said:

n/a + fi = Da bomb

being as this is physically impossible, you got flamed

anyone who 'understands what you meant' is either
a. good at reading stupid statements, or
b. just as stupid as the statement

 

There's a third possibility.

c. We're not trying to be a ****, like you.

 

The way this thread is going you'd think someone slapped somebody's mama. First of all the topic is great. There are plenty of cars that develope great gains N/A. It just that noone has, that I've heard of, has tried it on a Max.

As far all the flack about adding boost to a car initially set up performance wise to run N/A is crazy. Was the statement vague yeah, but damn. There are plenty of SC Type R Integra running stock internals. You just can't be boost happy.

Why is it so hard NOT to be an azz to fellow ORG members. To the person that said it's because of the youngsters with altezzas, you are dead wrong it's the butt plugs that THINK they know everything. All this nonsense keeps the people with insight and knowledge out of the thread. If you can't add to the thread why detract from it.

 

Maybe he ment to say A Bomb........

Who cares......stop the hate.

♪♪♪♪ We Are The World ♪♪♪♪

okay enough of that crap. either he messed up, or he is not knowledgable about the leathal combo.

Nuff Said

 

he meants a NA built engine, block up, then force iduction it. your taking a dead issue way too far, its pointless and annoying. i choose C. kenji didnt take the time to understand the meaning of the statement, then went off about it for days and days.

 

c. fits in with a.
and im not trying to be a ****, just explaining why he got flamed

SXN
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you know, i don't even have to read this post to know it's SXN being a little ***** tryin to pick a fight. not even going to indulge in his childish post

 

trying to start a fight? lol sorry for expressing my opinion, just like you did, too afraid to talk? had to ignore me? your decision atleast i was actually talking about the engine

 

this is where things go horribly wrong.......


[peacemaker] torgus, i for one had a chuckle at your post. I was pretty sure i got what you were trying o say, but the way it came out was a good laugh. If you took it personally, i personally apologize for everyone that was laughing, and continued to post about it. You didn't get flamed. I think only the old-school IRC guys know what the true meaning of getting flamed is: having your E-mail blow up with Gay **** messages, being ping attacked until you're so slow you can't post ish, having your IP spoofed and having people use your screen name on other forums and mess up your rep, etc., etc..... As far as i could see, there was no malicious intent in anything people posted about his post. We weren't flaming him, we were laughing with him.
MidknightMAx: True, the altezza rice boi ***s aren't responsible for destryoing this post.....but only because actually doing engine work instead of putting another Super-fart can exhaust on is too much for them. If you look at a lot of the other posts that were killed, it was because of this whole," my exhaust/intake/wing/bodykit/undercar neons are sooooooo much better than yours". That's the altezza kids we're reffering too.
SXN: I've agreed with most of your posts (not just on this post, but on the forums as well), however:
Just give it up and walk away.....if the dude has you ignored, it's obviously because he knows there's a problem there (for whatever reason). There's no need to instigate more.
Kenji: no more smart-azz posts after this to drag it out further, OK? If you bock someone, you lose the right to respond to what they say. A forum doesen't work unless everyone is heard.

And to everyone else: we got the answer to the topic question, can we continue with it, (specs for the parts, price, etc.) or do you want what could be a great thread locked for stupid ish?

Ok i'm done [/peacemaker]

 

werd

 

alright, me and kenji general have issues, but i choose not to ignore him, because everyone says worth while stuff ocassionally, and i do like to read the thread in its entirety.

 

I plan on being close to 400 hp N/A, but I'm not gonna say exactly how. It is going to cost a little over 5000 when said and done, and thats with alot of free stuff. It's not going to be a true VQ30 anymore either. Displacement will be around 3609cc hence a VQ36, running around 11:1 compression, but the higher numbers are possible, just not for cheap.

David

 

why?

 

 

Very cool. I'm looking foward to seeing that when it finally happens. I have one question (and feel free not to answer it if you don't want to): Why all the secrecy? Unless there is the possibility of making money off of this, why hide it? The only things that you'd get from the people here is advice, possibly some place than can manufacture the custom parts cheaper, so it doesen't have to be $5000. I understand that even without money being involved, it's cool to have omething of your own, but if anything, the people interested in this thread are working towards the same goal as you.