the max will need to work on weight reduction to make this a sure race (auto vs auto)

 

i barly beat buy a 328 only like 1/2 328 when i had y-pipe back exhaust and a intake and act and he had only a intake. we were both 5spd. and damm it was close.

those of you that have beatin um before it was probubly old guys babying their cars, or they didnt know how to drive or they were 323's ricers with a changed badge

 

Yo Harris what ever the **** you smoking, please put that **** down. Ok... Let me give you some info on the 330i.. That car is very close in performance to the E36 M3 (1995 model)... The 330is or sport, far out performs the 1997 M3.
I dont care, even with Y-pipe, cat-back, vb-mode, filter etc... You will not beat this car... You may only beat the 330 because of the driver..

Or with all those mods, you may come close to the 330xi.. The all-wheel drive version is a lot heavier.

And BTW... ECU for the 330i and 330is give gains to 20hp to the ground... And we are not including filter and exhaust mods on the sucker...

DONT SLEEP ON BMW's....

 

couldn't of said it better myself

 

Yeah I'll give you some of what I'm smoking. 325s are Sh8 I'll take a video for you everytime I race one because I walk em so bad it's not even funny. And no I do not race old people I race guys that know how to drive really good, and I've talked to a few of them and they admit the 325s are not that fast. I've only raced 2 330Ci's and beaten em both the first time a girl was driving it she had me off the line and I caught up and shut down by 80. And then the second time I raced this guy on the highway from a roll of about 70MPH and he beat me, after that we raced off the line and I had him till about 90 then shut it down and I beat him by 2 car lenghts.

 

Well as far as beating those Two 330's... It was a FLUKE!!! A gift from GOD!!!

As far as 325's I know of two 325's with ecu, exhaust, filter, and Cams and these cars are putting gains of 225whp and 230ftq on a mustang-dyno. BMW's are true machines... You must give them respect... I have a 1995 Maxima Turbo-Charged running 4psi of boost... I tried racing my friends E46 (2001) M3... And belive me he got about 5+ car lengths on me after doing 120mph from a 40mph role....

You gotta love those bimmers.

 

Yeah a fluke given to me and many other Maxima owners on this board. Don't get me wrong they're not bad cars but I would MUCH rater get a TSX, TL, EVO III, STI, for probably just as much if not less.

 

If a Manual 330 is a flat 15 to mid 15 second car, a 5 spd Maxima is the same too sometimes 14.6-15.0 so look at the facts buddy, and that's just basic bolt on's with the 5 spd I've read and seen timeslips for people here that run 14.3-14.9 STOCK in a 5spd. I give respect to M3's, M5's, M Coupes, and 540i's that's about it.

 

You're wrong.

A stick 330 runs a 14.7 at 96. Faster than any stock max. Sorry.
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I think the fastest stock Max is a 14.7/14.8. Considering that's a magazine time for the BMW, I assume a better driver with more aggressive launch could run a 14.5. I would have trouble with one.

 

Forgive me for being off by .03 seconds.

 

kloogy - 14.8 on 17s and 19s stock automatic.. im sure a stick would be quicker than 14.7 in similar conditions

 

is this why we don't talk about racing in this forum??

 

someone give this man an apple for his great realization

 

I really hope you are not including a 95-96 5-spd in that blanket statement...

Before someone else throws magazine numbers at me, I don't mag-race. I have raced them at a track... same day, same weather conditions, right next to me... and they were about par with me when I was stock... with the edge going to my stock 95 5-spd.

I'm no fabulous 5-spd driver either. But at the end I'd still say that it is a driver's race (so maybe I'm not all that bad a 5-spd driver)...

 

......ibtl

 

Yes that includes all 4gens, even the 95's and 96's. As far as the track, the driver in the bmw 330i does not know how to drive or is scared to push the car...
That car can out perform and handle a 4gen max. Even the 3.5 max cant beat the 330. So sorry dude.. Fact is fact...

 

Well, I did not talk to the BMW owners... I just beat them and got my white slips
I would hope to not have to do any "handling" in a straight line 1/4 mile...

If you are into stating what you think are "facts", here are some for you:

330i manual: 14.9 at 94.0 - lots of stock Maximas will beat that ET, including myself, but that trap is high... but I never said that a stock Maxima will take them on top end.
330Ci manual: 14.8 at 95.4 - bit faster... but again stock Maximas are capable of that (95-96 5-spds) and a 3.5 Maxima will rape that.

 

Man you need to stop swinging on BMW's nuts and get your **** straight. A 3.5 max can't take a 330i?? There are no words for that statement Nevermind the 5th gen 3.5...What about 4th gen 5-speeds that run mid-14's with just intake and y-pipe?? That sounds like a driver's race to me unless the 330i's you've seen came from the factory with a NOS setup for MaDd PoWAh yO!!!

 

Listen!!!! Stop reading "Car and Driver" Mags and get to reality... Everthing is not about 1/4 mile runs... Those number in my opnion are arbitrary... Lets get realistic... Road driving is what we are talking about... BMW's and maximas are not 1/4 mile cars... The 330i sport run way better up-top and far better than the 3.0 and 3.5 Maximas.

In my opinion, the 3.5 Max is garbage, because the quoted HP rates 265hp/252ftq.. But on the dyno, it shows the same power rating as the 3.5 Altima being (223hp/220ftq). Which means the 3.5 Max is not 265hp but realy 245hp.

 

hi there...well after all this debating thread...i had the honor to race again the 330i. Auto vs my with all my setup.

short thread....i won by 2 cars, hes a good driver and me too so...i think...my setup help me enough to smoke the bimmer. see ya



P.S. i have 2 pairs of headlamp ready to sell so...just pm me.

 

Where are all these lights hehe .

 

i myself have drivinin a 328 and its so much smoother and fells like it has more pull than a maxima. a 330 must be so much fatser .and the 330 is also lighter than the maxima. But i must say a 2k2 max should be very close with it.

To all of you guys that have beatin 330s before enjoy cause the next time you race one you wont be so lucky ifs its a real race.

P.S. , hey indigomax how much for the lights??

 

Like I said earlier, I don't mag-race... but you wanted harder facts than my proven on paper 330i-bashing timeslips so I pulled one out of your books. Racing on city streets at those speeds that you are trying to elude to is plain stupid and reckless. A 330i is too heavy to keep up with an early gen 4 Maxima (or a 3.5 for that matter) around town. No doubt it would own the Maxima on top end.

But how are 1/4 mile timeslips arbitrary if you are comparing 2 cars - both stock, on the same day, at the same time, running side-by-side??? I don't think you could get any more un-arbitrary than that for a head-to-head comparison! The slips are pretty real - lemme assure you... feels like paper and looks like ink on it!

I don't know as much about 3.5L Maximas and their dynos as I know about gen 4s so I'll leave some 2k2/2k3 owner to set the facts straight there.

 

The only respectable 3 series BMW is the M3 end of story.

 

I would have to agree with indiglo with his claims. I have an auto as well with a complete exhaust system (2 1/2 inch) with a high flow cat., flow master muffler, hybrid intake and Y pipe. I have gotten my share of 3 series with my setup. I get stock 4th gen sticks as well. Unless the bimmer has an "M" on it or "40" or greater at the end of their numbers. I know I can run with them if they are stock. You guys are making those 330's into a little more than what they aren't unless they have the sports package which is slightly faster than a regular 330.

 

hey, quick jump in here...can a 97 auto with intake y, cat back beat a 2003 ser 6 speed ? cause my friend has the ser ihave max i had my 19s on and he sorta smoked me didnt completly race but...

 

I think it would be a close race, just because you are on 19s

 

Wow, the SERs are upto 6-spd trannies now too??? Who knew that a sub-compact would ever get that advanced?? hehe

Yeah those are quick little suckers if you have an auto Maxima, riding on big, heavy rims... it would be close, with the edge going to him, I would think.