Going 12's
#5
Originally Posted by maxima98vspec
yea alot of time and effort....weight reduction......turbo......fuel crap.....u know, the works
Ok, so i see your route of getting to the 12's, but what are you willing to spend to get there?
Also, how long would you commit to get your car there?
#6
Originally Posted by tampamax
Ok, so i see your route of getting to the 12's, but what are you willing to spend to get there?
Also, how long would you commit to get your car there?
Also, how long would you commit to get your car there?
Hopefully I will be running in the 12's in another few months That is if my tranny can handle my slicks
#7
Originally Posted by ilumo
Hopefully I will be running in the 12's in another few months That is if my tranny can handle my slicks
So how much money do you have in speed mods so far. Or how much do you expect to have in the car to get it into the 12's?
#12
check out all the maxes that were in 12s. All of them but one I think were s/c or turbo, and nitrous.
For example HLH had 95 with 5spd conversion, I think slicks, 10 psi of boost (turbo) and spraying 100 shot thru 3, and 4th gear.
For example HLH had 95 with 5spd conversion, I think slicks, 10 psi of boost (turbo) and spraying 100 shot thru 3, and 4th gear.
#13
I hope this guy Jime posts in this thread with more detail, as he managed a very impressive 12.1 run. If i remember correctly, with only nitrous, slicks, an auto trans (with the dropp ressistor mod) and some weight reduction. He had links to a time slip and a video in his sig. check them out at any of his posts if they are still there.
#17
Originally Posted by z-dan
I hope this guy Jime posts in this thread with more detail, as he managed a very impressive 12.1 run. If i remember correctly, with only nitrous, slicks, an auto trans (with the dropp ressistor mod) and some weight reduction. He had links to a time slip and a video in his sig. check them out at any of his posts if they are still there.
yea, if you want CHEAP power, go N20. but dont complain when you have to erfill the bottle all the time, and the inablity to have power at all times. and i DOUBT he just spent 1500$ to get to the 12's. The direct port nitrous setup, with the heater, purge itself is pretty damn expensive. Then the supporting mods, gauges, slicks, exhaust, clutch, etc etc... sorry, more than 1500$. if it was ONLY 1500$, many more people would be in the 12s.
correction, you can do it for 1500$, but its not gonna be that RELAIBLE. one pass, and you're grass.
it would take a lot of money to get the max into the 12s. It wasnt meant to go that fast, and our aftermarket isnt as large as others (supra, eclipse, etc etc), so parts will cost more, because of less competition.
you can get into the 12's with a S/C. I hope to do it with a S/C /mevi/ intercooled setup. no juice
#18
Originally Posted by waveridr85
he also had intake and exhaust, lets not forget it was a 150 shot and he sprayed out of the whole with like 12 psi in the tires
#19
There are lots of cars in this Org that are capable of 12s. The problem is very few people are serious about racing. Just like ALL aspects of driving, the tires are the most important mod of all. Without traction, you're not performing. Basically any Maxima that's capable of 105mph+ trapspeeds is capable of a 12-second pass assuming they can get a higher 1.8 60'. If you've got the power to run 105mph+, you've got the power to pull 1.8 60 foots on slicks. The turbo cars that are pulling 114-118mph are more than capable of 11s with the right suspension and tire setup.
As for the cost to go 12s, all it takes is a 5 speed 4th gen with y-pipe/intake/100 shot/slicks or basically $1200 in mods (new). Nitrous is extremely effective in drag racing because of the immense amount of torque it makes. A 100 shot of nitrous will make about 80fwhp and a whopping 120-130fwtq. If Jime didn't spray out of the hole (I believe he uses a 50 shot off the line), there's no way he could pull the ETs he does.
Dave
As for the cost to go 12s, all it takes is a 5 speed 4th gen with y-pipe/intake/100 shot/slicks or basically $1200 in mods (new). Nitrous is extremely effective in drag racing because of the immense amount of torque it makes. A 100 shot of nitrous will make about 80fwhp and a whopping 120-130fwtq. If Jime didn't spray out of the hole (I believe he uses a 50 shot off the line), there's no way he could pull the ETs he does.
Dave
#20
Originally Posted by waveridr85
he also had intake and exhaust, lets not forget it was a 150 shot and he sprayed out of the whole with like 12 psi in the tires
What are we making excuses cause some people have done this just not the way you would choose to?
Now back on topic.........."How much would you spend to get your maxima into the 12's? Also, how much time are you willing to give yourself to get there?"
#22
Originally Posted by ilumo
yea, if you want CHEAP power, go N20. but dont complain when you have to erfill the bottle all the time, and the inablity to have power at all times. and i DOUBT he just spent 1500$ to get to the 12's. The direct port nitrous setup, with the heater, purge itself is pretty damn expensive. Then the supporting mods, gauges, slicks, exhaust, clutch, etc etc... sorry, more than 1500$. if it was ONLY 1500$, many more people would be in the 12s.
correction, you can do it for 1500$, but its not gonna be that RELAIBLE. one pass, and you're grass.
it would take a lot of money to get the max into the 12s. It wasnt meant to go that fast, and our aftermarket isnt as large as others (supra, eclipse, etc etc), so parts will cost more, because of less competition.
you can get into the 12's with a S/C. I hope to do it with a S/C /mevi/ intercooled setup. no juice
correction, you can do it for 1500$, but its not gonna be that RELAIBLE. one pass, and you're grass.
it would take a lot of money to get the max into the 12s. It wasnt meant to go that fast, and our aftermarket isnt as large as others (supra, eclipse, etc etc), so parts will cost more, because of less competition.
you can get into the 12's with a S/C. I hope to do it with a S/C /mevi/ intercooled setup. no juice
No doubt you are right about refilling the bottle. but some would prefer having the stock power for daily driving and the juice when needed, don't you think its more reliable that way? and i heard (i don't have it) that nitrous would not harm an engine if used correctly. so i dont think you have to worry about reliabilty more than you would with a turbo or S/C.
The setup you're going for sounds sweet good luck.
#23
Originally Posted by tampamax
Now back on topic.........."How much would you spend to get your maxima into the 12's? Also, how much time are you willing to give yourself to get there?"
Is it just me or does it sound like you're trying to sell something?
#26
Originally Posted by z-dan
No doubt you are right about refilling the bottle. but some would prefer having the stock power for daily driving and the juice when needed, don't you think its more reliable that way? and i heard (i don't have it) that nitrous would not harm an engine if used correctly. so i dont think you have to worry about reliabilty more than you would with a turbo or S/C.
The setup you're going for sounds sweet good luck.
The setup you're going for sounds sweet good luck.
Blah blah, you can get to 12's for 1500$... not if you need to get all the supporting mods to run reliably. upgraded fuel accessories, clutch, rims,slicks, exhaust, monitoring gauges, etc. (not including labor if you dont know how to do it yourself)
Like I said... if its that cheap, we would have a LOT more people runnign 12s. Whether they are serious about racing or not, 1500$ is cheap enough so that almost anyone can "try" to get there. we have what, less than a handful of people in the 12s?
#27
Originally Posted by tampamax
Dave--That 1200 figure is a bit low don't you think?
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Dave
#28
Originally Posted by Dave B
$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Dave
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Dave
Then you'll have a car in the 12's and be 500$ richer.
#29
Originally Posted by ilumo
how about... if you can get soemone with a stock 4th gen maxima, and can purchase and install these mods on the car, and make it run 12s (20-30 passes)... for <1200$, ill give you 500$. I want the receipts
Then you'll have a car in the 12's and be 500$ richer.
Then you'll have a car in the 12's and be 500$ richer.
Dave
#30
Anyone can run 12's for very little money without stressing your car to its limits. Thats been my goal right from the start.
All it took was a 35 shot to get my car to run 13.1, a 50 shot put it easily into the 12's and it could run there all day long, which is what I did for the majority of the races.
However, running 12's and running 12.1 is a whole different kettle of fish. Knocking almost a second off when your in the 12's takes humoungous more HP. A 100 shot put me at 12.6 and of course at 150 I did a 12.1.
I believe I could have run 11's with the dual stage but never did get it installed and to the track before the end of the year. The car couldn't hold traction with the 150 shot so I was losing time out of the hole even though I was running 1.7 60's, of course I was already running 1.8's with a 35 shot so you can see what was happening.
Anyone can run 12's without spending money on hi-stall convertors, MEVI's and ECU's, I refused to go that route because thats not necessary to get fast times, however, it does take a lot of work and trying many different methods and trying stuff no one has done before.
Sitting around and talking about it is ok but it doesn't prove anything, many falsehoods are generated because folks are just guessing at what may or may not be the result.
I don't recommend that anyone go out and run a 150 shot of nitrous, unless your setup is almost perfect you are going to blow. But with a 50 shot its very possible and will allow you to run with the big guys on a shoestring budget.
BTW I just picked up my 2k2 SE Auto tonight to race for this season so we will see how it performs with almost the same mods very soon.
All it took was a 35 shot to get my car to run 13.1, a 50 shot put it easily into the 12's and it could run there all day long, which is what I did for the majority of the races.
However, running 12's and running 12.1 is a whole different kettle of fish. Knocking almost a second off when your in the 12's takes humoungous more HP. A 100 shot put me at 12.6 and of course at 150 I did a 12.1.
I believe I could have run 11's with the dual stage but never did get it installed and to the track before the end of the year. The car couldn't hold traction with the 150 shot so I was losing time out of the hole even though I was running 1.7 60's, of course I was already running 1.8's with a 35 shot so you can see what was happening.
Anyone can run 12's without spending money on hi-stall convertors, MEVI's and ECU's, I refused to go that route because thats not necessary to get fast times, however, it does take a lot of work and trying many different methods and trying stuff no one has done before.
Sitting around and talking about it is ok but it doesn't prove anything, many falsehoods are generated because folks are just guessing at what may or may not be the result.
I don't recommend that anyone go out and run a 150 shot of nitrous, unless your setup is almost perfect you are going to blow. But with a 50 shot its very possible and will allow you to run with the big guys on a shoestring budget.
BTW I just picked up my 2k2 SE Auto tonight to race for this season so we will see how it performs with almost the same mods very soon.
#32
Originally Posted by Wisky97SE
Jime, I was wondering if you Drive your max daily, and if so, ever use the nitrous on the street? I dont know if I could resist sometimes, expecially if its only like a 35 shot.
What you have to know is that I am a 56 year old Grandfather it would be unbecoming for someone of my stature to do anything like that.
Thats the other great thing about nitrous is that until you hit that switch the car is basically the same as it was when it left the factory. It takes me approx 30 mins at the track to turn it from a grocery getter to a fast grocery getter.
#33
well lets see what it has cost me
$650 MEVI + parts
$300 ACT Clutch
$50 Homemade ramair intake
$180 Budget Y pipe
$50 Used M&H 24.5" slicks
$600 Nitrous Express Kit running 75 shot
Total
$1830 and thus far my best is a 13.1 @ 105 with a 1.9 60'
I know with this I am capible of breaking into the 12's, I could have acheived this alot cheaper but I am also interested in NA power.
$650 MEVI + parts
$300 ACT Clutch
$50 Homemade ramair intake
$180 Budget Y pipe
$50 Used M&H 24.5" slicks
$600 Nitrous Express Kit running 75 shot
Total
$1830 and thus far my best is a 13.1 @ 105 with a 1.9 60'
I know with this I am capible of breaking into the 12's, I could have acheived this alot cheaper but I am also interested in NA power.
#34
Originally Posted by felix822
Is it just me or does it sound like you're trying to sell something?
No, although you got me thinking now. The reason for this is if this is so cheap to do, then why have there only been a few people to do this. Its been a long time since i've visited this board and i thought for sure there would be plenty of guys that are in there by now.
#35
Originally Posted by Jime
Anyone can run 12's for very little money without stressing your car to its limits. Thats been my goal right from the start.
All it took was a 35 shot to get my car to run 13.1, a 50 shot put it easily into the 12's and it could run there all day long, which is what I did for the majority of the races.
However, running 12's and running 12.1 is a whole different kettle of fish. Knocking almost a second off when your in the 12's takes humoungous more HP. A 100 shot put me at 12.6 and of course at 150 I did a 12.1.
I believe I could have run 11's with the dual stage but never did get it installed and to the track before the end of the year. The car couldn't hold traction with the 150 shot so I was losing time out of the hole even though I was running 1.7 60's, of course I was already running 1.8's with a 35 shot so you can see what was happening.
Anyone can run 12's without spending money on hi-stall convertors, MEVI's and ECU's, I refused to go that route because thats not necessary to get fast times, however, it does take a lot of work and trying many different methods and trying stuff no one has done before.
Sitting around and talking about it is ok but it doesn't prove anything, many falsehoods are generated because folks are just guessing at what may or may not be the result.
I don't recommend that anyone go out and run a 150 shot of nitrous, unless your setup is almost perfect you are going to blow. But with a 50 shot its very possible and will allow you to run with the big guys on a shoestring budget.
BTW I just picked up my 2k2 SE Auto tonight to race for this season so we will see how it performs with almost the same mods very soon.
All it took was a 35 shot to get my car to run 13.1, a 50 shot put it easily into the 12's and it could run there all day long, which is what I did for the majority of the races.
However, running 12's and running 12.1 is a whole different kettle of fish. Knocking almost a second off when your in the 12's takes humoungous more HP. A 100 shot put me at 12.6 and of course at 150 I did a 12.1.
I believe I could have run 11's with the dual stage but never did get it installed and to the track before the end of the year. The car couldn't hold traction with the 150 shot so I was losing time out of the hole even though I was running 1.7 60's, of course I was already running 1.8's with a 35 shot so you can see what was happening.
Anyone can run 12's without spending money on hi-stall convertors, MEVI's and ECU's, I refused to go that route because thats not necessary to get fast times, however, it does take a lot of work and trying many different methods and trying stuff no one has done before.
Sitting around and talking about it is ok but it doesn't prove anything, many falsehoods are generated because folks are just guessing at what may or may not be the result.
I don't recommend that anyone go out and run a 150 shot of nitrous, unless your setup is almost perfect you are going to blow. But with a 50 shot its very possible and will allow you to run with the big guys on a shoestring budget.
BTW I just picked up my 2k2 SE Auto tonight to race for this season so we will see how it performs with almost the same mods very soon.
So Jime, when you ran the 100-150 shots how would you compensate for the detonation you may encounter? Where you running a safegaurd? What about injectors, where you spraying a 100-150 shot on the stockies? And did you ever weigh your car at race weight? If so, what was your weight when you ran 12.1?
#36
Originally Posted by tampamax
So Jime, when you ran the 100-150 shots how would you compensate for the detonation you may encounter? Where you running a safegaurd? What about injectors, where you spraying a 100-150 shot on the stockies? And did you ever weigh your car at race weight? If so, what was your weight when you ran 12.1?
The detonation I deal with by using Pro Mk 5, 114 Octane unleaded race fuel http://www.speedwaybikes.com/sponsors/fuel.htm in a 1 gal fuel cell which just feeds the nitrous system only. The injectors use the fuel from the main tank.
Stock injectors are used because with a wet kit all the extra fuel is put through the nozzle in the intake no extra fuel is put throught the injectors like a dry shot. For the same reason you can pretty much run a 75-100 shot wet on the stock fuel system because it all runs at stock fuel pressure not driven up to very high pressure like the dry is.
Race weight is 2998 lbs with me in it. Me I am a portly 180.
#37
Originally Posted by tampamax
So Jime, when you ran the 100-150 shots how would you compensate for the detonation you may encounter? Where you running a safegaurd? What about injectors, where you spraying a 100-150 shot on the stockies? And did you ever weigh your car at race weight? If so, what was your weight when you ran 12.1?
You better be careful too, because if you leave your bottle warmer on too long... BOOM, 2000psi in that little can goes to atm.
For someone who wants daily drivability, power on tap, and hassle free, forget the n20. I take back you can do it for under 1500$, because with N20, your grampies datsun can reach the 12's for that much as well.
#38
When I read this post, I figured the guy meant acheiving 12's (12.0-12.99) on PUMP gas, with normal daily driven conditions (ie everything in car, big wheels, heatsoak, blah blah). because when we are talking about track prep, WITH n20, any car can do it for cheap. 114 octane... I dont think you can find that at mobil...
#39
Originally Posted by ilumo
When I read this post, I figured the guy meant acheiving 12's (12.0-12.99) on PUMP gas, with normal daily driven conditions (ie everything in car, big wheels, heatsoak, blah blah). because when we are talking about track prep, WITH n20, any car can do it for cheap. 114 octane... I dont think you can find that at mobil...
$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Now Jime posts and you find out just how easy it is to go 12s. You never said you couldn't use race gas, street tires, pump gas, etc.
Dave
#40
Originally Posted by Dave B
Na, you can't back peddle now Your bet was that you couldn't make a 4th gen go 12s with the following mods:
$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Now Jime posts and you find out just how easy it is to go 12s. You never said you couldn't use race gas, street tires, pump gas, etc.
Dave
$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards
Now Jime posts and you find out just how easy it is to go 12s. You never said you couldn't use race gas, street tires, pump gas, etc.
Dave
Im not back peddling... if someone can do 12's (20-30 passes) with that 1200$ setup... ill still in... so until i see those slips, im not YET
also, the 114 gas counts, and refilling the bottle too =P