tampamax

So what would you guys spend to get your car in the 12's on a 1/4 mile pass? And how much time and trouble would you be willing to go through to get there?

skiboarder72

i would spend about 4000$ and alot of trouble haha 12's would be INSANE

maxima98vspec

yea alot of time and effort....weight reduction......turbo......fuel crap.....u know, the works

tampamax

Would it really take 4k to get into the 12's?

What if you could do it for almost half that?

tampamax

Ok, so i see your route of getting to the 12's, but what are you willing to spend to get there?

Also, how long would you commit to get your car there?

ilumo

Hopefully I will be running in the 12's in another few months That is if my tranny can handle my slicks

tampamax

So how much money do you have in speed mods so far. Or how much do you expect to have in the car to get it into the 12's?

ilumo

if you get used items, you can probably do it for around 4k. new.... 6-7k, for reliable power.

ABK

you need like 6 grand. Including turbo, you better have 5spd, good clutch, slicks, maybe weight reduction of some sort, and maybe Nitrous to get low 12s

tampamax

Wow, you guys think 12's are that far off?

I mean 6k is a lot of money to put into a car to get it to the 12's.

Turbo has come up, but i have yet to hear anyone speak of s/c or n2o.

waveridr85

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ask jime, he got there in under $1500

ABK

check out all the maxes that were in 12s. All of them but one I think were s/c or turbo, and nitrous.

For example HLH had 95 with 5spd conversion, I think slicks, 10 psi of boost (turbo) and spraying 100 shot thru 3, and 4th gear.

z-dan

I hope this guy Jime posts in this thread with more detail, as he managed a very impressive 12.1 run. If i remember correctly, with only nitrous, slicks, an auto trans (with the dropp ressistor mod) and some weight reduction. He had links to a time slip and a video in his sig. check them out at any of his posts if they are still there.

Y2KSESteve

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Yep, you could get 12s out of an auto for under $2k if you wanted to.

waveridr85

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he also had intake and exhaust, lets not forget it was a 150 shot and he sprayed out of the whole with like 12 psi in the tires

z-dan

True, but he got there for far less $$ than others.

ilumo

yea, if you want CHEAP power, go N20. but dont complain when you have to erfill the bottle all the time, and the inablity to have power at all times. and i DOUBT he just spent 1500$ to get to the 12's. The direct port nitrous setup, with the heater, purge itself is pretty damn expensive. Then the supporting mods, gauges, slicks, exhaust, clutch, etc etc... sorry, more than 1500$. if it was ONLY 1500$, many more people would be in the 12s.
correction, you can do it for 1500$, but its not gonna be that RELAIBLE. one pass, and you're grass.


it would take a lot of money to get the max into the 12s. It wasnt meant to go that fast, and our aftermarket isnt as large as others (supra, eclipse, etc etc), so parts will cost more, because of less competition.

you can get into the 12's with a S/C. I hope to do it with a S/C /mevi/ intercooled setup. no juice

maxima98vspec

y 12 psi in the tires, that's just putting more strees on the tires and stuff

Dave B

There are lots of cars in this Org that are capable of 12s. The problem is very few people are serious about racing. Just like ALL aspects of driving, the tires are the most important mod of all. Without traction, you're not performing. Basically any Maxima that's capable of 105mph+ trapspeeds is capable of a 12-second pass assuming they can get a higher 1.8 60'. If you've got the power to run 105mph+, you've got the power to pull 1.8 60 foots on slicks. The turbo cars that are pulling 114-118mph are more than capable of 11s with the right suspension and tire setup.

As for the cost to go 12s, all it takes is a 5 speed 4th gen with y-pipe/intake/100 shot/slicks or basically $1200 in mods (new). Nitrous is extremely effective in drag racing because of the immense amount of torque it makes. A 100 shot of nitrous will make about 80fwhp and a whopping 120-130fwtq. If Jime didn't spray out of the hole (I believe he uses a 50 shot off the line), there's no way he could pull the ETs he does.


Dave

tampamax

What are we making excuses cause some people have done this just not the way you would choose to?


Now back on topic.........."How much would you spend to get your maxima into the 12's? Also, how much time are you willing to give yourself to get there?"

tampamax

Dave--That 1200 figure is a bit low don't you think?

z-dan

No doubt you are right about refilling the bottle. but some would prefer having the stock power for daily driving and the juice when needed, don't you think its more reliable that way? and i heard (i don't have it) that nitrous would not harm an engine if used correctly. so i dont think you have to worry about reliabilty more than you would with a turbo or S/C.

The setup you're going for sounds sweet good luck.

felix

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Is it just me or does it sound like you're trying to sell something?

69amixam

i was thinking the exact same thing, if you have a cheap plan on getting into the 12's lets hear it

ABK

I don't know spraying 150shot on auto plus DR mod, I would be scarred ****less. all that massive amount of torque should just rip thru that tranny.

ilumo

No... N20 if used correctly is the same reliablilty as anything else. it actually ehlps the combustion process because of its endothermic reaction, and absorbs some of the heat making the cylinder temps cooler.
Blah blah, you can get to 12's for 1500$... not if you need to get all the supporting mods to run reliably. upgraded fuel accessories, clutch, rims,slicks, exhaust, monitoring gauges, etc. (not including labor if you dont know how to do it yourself)
Like I said... if its that cheap, we would have a LOT more people runnign 12s. Whether they are serious about racing or not, 1500$ is cheap enough so that almost anyone can "try" to get there. we have what, less than a handful of people in the 12s?

Dave B

$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards


Dave

ilumo

how about... if you can get soemone with a stock 4th gen maxima, and can purchase and install these mods on the car, and make it run 12s (20-30 passes)... for <1200$, ill give you 500$. I want the receipts
Then you'll have a car in the 12's and be 500$ richer.

Dave B

I wish someone would do it. With a 100 shot and the Y-pipe/intake, you're looking at ~260-270fwhp and nearly 300fwtq which is more than enough to scoot a 2900lb car into the 12s with traction. If Nealoc can pull a 13.6@101 with a 1.90 60' with 200fwhp/200fwtq and slicks, then someone should be able to go 12s with an extra 60fwhp and 100fwtq. Unbolt the muffler and dump the passenger seats and be even quicker.


Dave

Jime

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Anyone can run 12's for very little money without stressing your car to its limits. Thats been my goal right from the start.

All it took was a 35 shot to get my car to run 13.1, a 50 shot put it easily into the 12's and it could run there all day long, which is what I did for the majority of the races.

However, running 12's and running 12.1 is a whole different kettle of fish. Knocking almost a second off when your in the 12's takes humoungous more HP. A 100 shot put me at 12.6 and of course at 150 I did a 12.1.

I believe I could have run 11's with the dual stage but never did get it installed and to the track before the end of the year. The car couldn't hold traction with the 150 shot so I was losing time out of the hole even though I was running 1.7 60's, of course I was already running 1.8's with a 35 shot so you can see what was happening.

Anyone can run 12's without spending money on hi-stall convertors, MEVI's and ECU's, I refused to go that route because thats not necessary to get fast times, however, it does take a lot of work and trying many different methods and trying stuff no one has done before.

Sitting around and talking about it is ok but it doesn't prove anything, many falsehoods are generated because folks are just guessing at what may or may not be the result.

I don't recommend that anyone go out and run a 150 shot of nitrous, unless your setup is almost perfect you are going to blow. But with a 50 shot its very possible and will allow you to run with the big guys on a shoestring budget.


BTW I just picked up my 2k2 SE Auto tonight to race for this season so we will see how it performs with almost the same mods very soon.

Wisky97SE

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Jime, I was wondering if you Drive your max daily, and if so, ever use the nitrous on the street? I dont know if I could resist sometimes, expecially if its only like a 35 shot.

Jime

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I would never do that. Well maybe occasionally.

What you have to know is that I am a 56 year old Grandfather it would be unbecoming for someone of my stature to do anything like that.

Thats the other great thing about nitrous is that until you hit that switch the car is basically the same as it was when it left the factory. It takes me approx 30 mins at the track to turn it from a grocery getter to a fast grocery getter.

plurco

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well lets see what it has cost me
$650 MEVI + parts
$300 ACT Clutch
$50 Homemade ramair intake
$180 Budget Y pipe
$50 Used M&H 24.5" slicks
$600 Nitrous Express Kit running 75 shot
Total
$1830 and thus far my best is a 13.1 @ 105 with a 1.9 60'
I know with this I am capible of breaking into the 12's, I could have acheived this alot cheaper but I am also interested in NA power.

tampamax

No, although you got me thinking now. The reason for this is if this is so cheap to do, then why have there only been a few people to do this. Its been a long time since i've visited this board and i thought for sure there would be plenty of guys that are in there by now.

tampamax

So Jime, when you ran the 100-150 shots how would you compensate for the detonation you may encounter? Where you running a safegaurd? What about injectors, where you spraying a 100-150 shot on the stockies? And did you ever weigh your car at race weight? If so, what was your weight when you ran 12.1?

Jime

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You ask the right questions. No one has really done that before except when they email asking how I do stuff, but most people won't ask on the forum.

The detonation I deal with by using Pro Mk 5, 114 Octane unleaded race fuel http://www.speedwaybikes.com/sponsors/fuel.htm in a 1 gal fuel cell which just feeds the nitrous system only. The injectors use the fuel from the main tank.

Stock injectors are used because with a wet kit all the extra fuel is put through the nozzle in the intake no extra fuel is put throught the injectors like a dry shot. For the same reason you can pretty much run a 75-100 shot wet on the stock fuel system because it all runs at stock fuel pressure not driven up to very high pressure like the dry is.

Race weight is 2998 lbs with me in it. Me I am a portly 180.

ilumo

The main things you have to worry about when you are running high power like that is, timing advance, afr, intake air temp, compresion ratio, and your fuel octane... So as long as you run GOOD gas maybe even more than 93+ to get the 12.1, run on a cool day, and have a N20 kit that has its own fuel jets as well as a high flow fuel pump, then the engine should be fine, because the N20 will lower the cylinder temps. im not sure, but I think that the stock ECu might have too much advance for a 150 shot too...

You better be careful too, because if you leave your bottle warmer on too long... BOOM, 2000psi in that little can goes to atm.

For someone who wants daily drivability, power on tap, and hassle free, forget the n20. I take back you can do it for under 1500$, because with N20, your grampies datsun can reach the 12's for that much as well.

ilumo

When I read this post, I figured the guy meant acheiving 12's (12.0-12.99) on PUMP gas, with normal daily driven conditions (ie everything in car, big wheels, heatsoak, blah blah). because when we are talking about track prep, WITH n20, any car can do it for cheap. 114 octane... I dont think you can find that at mobil...

Dave B

Na, you can't back peddle now Your bet was that you couldn't make a 4th gen go 12s with the following mods:

$200 WSP non-mandrel y-pipe
$60 hacked air box with midpipe and K&N panel filter
$300 M&H slicks mounted on 15X6.5 SE rims
$910 for a nice nitrous setup with the right safeguards

Now Jime posts and you find out just how easy it is to go 12s. You never said you couldn't use race gas, street tires, pump gas, etc.



Dave

ilumo

i always knew JiMe could do 12.1. His was one of the first setups i researched. but his isnt daily driver 12s! which i assumed the threadstarter was looking for. N20 is cheap, i agree, but it s just too inconvient for everyday use =P

Im not back peddling... if someone can do 12's (20-30 passes) with that 1200$ setup... ill still in... so until i see those slips, im not YET

also, the 114 gas counts, and refilling the bottle too =P