Guttermouf5150

what exactly is meant by "all motor"? i understand no turbo, or nos, but does that include bolt-ons?

Ceasars Chariot

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i believe so / no forced induction

Guttermouf5150

so having an intake, exhaust, udp
would i still be all motor?

96maxdaddy

Yes..........

nismology

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Technically, no. All motor in the race world means a race engine that has been built up with high compression pistons, cams, stroked or bored, upgraded valve springs, proper air/fuel and spark tuning, upgraded connecting rods and crank, etc. In other words, a race ready N/A motor.

Having just an intake, exhaust and UDP is just N/A (naturally aspirated).

Jime

iTrader: (10)

Thank you a man that knows what he is talking about. I don't like terms like that being misused. All motor is all motor and N/A is N/A and there is a huge difference.

Sort of like NOS and nitrous.

Linkage23

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All motor is everything you'all said but I don't believe NOS is considered to be a part of the NA world. Although it is not forced induction, NOS is not considered to be an "all motor" attribute. don't they now sell/offer race engines for the maxima? I hope so. I'm waiting patiently for the engine to die on my Max but Nissan makes them too damned well. Not complaing 'bout that though....

Jime

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I wasn't trying to suggest that NOS or nitrous had anything to do with "all motor". Just that folks keep misusing the term "NOS" for all nitrous systems like they misuse "all motor" when its really N/A.

Guttermouf5150

so you are saying that unless i have upgraded internal engine parts, i can't really say that my max is "all motor"?

i'm not so sure if i agree with that. i see what you are saying about the upgraded rods, crank, etc., but i still think it would be all motor even without those things.

when they talk about the fastest all motor maxima, does he have all those internal parts?

in my opinion, anything that is naturally aspirated and without Nos , or Nitrous; whichever you prefer, should be considered all motor.

nismology

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The problem is it's not what YOU think, it's what it is.

All-motor is a widely misused term like "intercooler" and "NOS" as Jime previously stated.

There are no all-motor Maximas that i know of.

Guttermouf5150

aahhhh now i see, so this is an absolute fact, written down in a textbook somewhere. and if i think differently, i am wrong.

nismology

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WOW.

Yes this is a fact. All-motor means a built race engine without forced induction.

Besides, what was the point of this thread if you didn't wanna hear our answers?

DuoXtreme

All motor means no forced induction. They talked about it on one of those car shows on spike tv. Said n/a and all motor are the same thing.

nismoSE

all motor just means it "all motor", not all motor and a little bit of nitrous, or all motor and a turbo/supercharger. since when does "all motor" mean you have to have a HC engine fully built and race ready? that makes no sense. a stock maxima would be considered all motor, because it has no turbo/super/nitrous. all motor just means it has no "artificial" power adder.

nismology

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^^The term for what you're describing is N/A (naturally aspirated). That doesn't necessarily make it all motor. All motor is a race term so you have to use it in a race context. I.E. fully built without any external power adders.

Guttermouf5150

i never said i didn't want to hear your answers, i just don't appreciate you belittling what i think. i just happen to have my own opinion, whether you think it is wrong or not. or whether you think it goes against what you consider absolute fact or not.

excuse the hell out of me for thinking something different.

Guttermouf5150

and apparently it seems a couple of other people happen to agree with me.

Guttermouf5150

well for being strictly a race term it sure is used alot here on the org

Guttermouf5150

to me, being "all motor" means only having modifications that would be considered "passive".like,say, a y-pipe, which simply allows the engine to breathe better.

as opposed to an "active" modification, like a turbo or supercharger, which actually does something.

the passive one simply allows the engine to operate more efficiently, while the active one forces it to by some sort of action.


or something...

Midknight MAXX

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Generally speaking the term is loosely used to signify the absence of power adders (ie. S/C, turbo, NO2) the same as naturally aspirated (N/A). I guess in the strictest since it would be considered a fully prepped race motor of the N/A variety. In most cases I believe peop;e use N/A and all motor to mean the same thing. Now can we stop bickering about something so insignificant.

nismology

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This has nothing to do with opinion. If you don't know, you don't know. I just happen to know better.

They're wrong too...

That's what you think, so that's cool. That doesn't stop it from being wrong.

Done...

Jason R

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woah man. your car looks really nice! I like what you've done with it.

DAVE Sz

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Unless you're running VERY FAST TIMES you shouldn't calling the car all-motor. If you say you're all motor and run 15s, everyone will laugh at your ***. Also keep in mind that when a car is all motor it is usually a pain to drive in traffic or around the city. The cars are built in such way that the power is mostly in the HIGH rpm range and the down low torque isn't really a concern to most of them.

Nealoc187

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I don't think these terms are defined in 'Webster's Dictionary of Car Terms' but most people describe all motor vs n/a the way that's been described above. Anyone can say anything they want, but if you are using terms in a way other than how others use them, you might end up confusing people. You might tell someone your car is all motor and they might say "oh what do you have done to it" expecting you to say it's got modified internals, cams, heads, etc, and instead you reply "uh it's got an intake."

I like to avoid this confusion by using the generally accepted terms. I go one step further by describing my car as one with n/a bolt ons.

Midknight MAXX

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Thanks I appreciate the compliment.

Ceasars Chariot

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my redneck theory bites me in the a$$ again, at least I know now , lol ! and can stop saying im all motor, at the track, when people ask if I have some type of FI. the sad thing is no one around here would even known.