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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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Whats the best intake for the low end power ??

whats the best intake for the low end power ?? i have been looking around for a new intake and was wondering which is the best in your opinion for the low end - i know it has all that written up in the FAQS but i cant really find anything on it for the low end let me kno what you think thanks
Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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Stock intake proved to be really good and in some ways better than aftermarket. Unless combined with exhaust relataed mods, you are looking at gaining 1-3hp tops..
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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ditto, from what i hear its all about stock. or short ram/pop charger for low end

cai for mid range
Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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what about over all power?????
Old Jul 22, 2004 | 11:58 PM
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Magik, NO. CAI is for low end, hai/hybrid is for top end.
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 01:31 AM
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Magik, NO. CAI is for low end, hai/hybrid is for top end.

Yeah. I have the Stillen filter and I love it when my car pulls hard when I downshift to 3rd while doing 70 on the freeway and burning little civics(even though I already know that they're not much of a challenge).
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It is generally known by majority of forum members that intake on a Maxima will not give you near the gains it does on accords or civics. Org member called Dave B did many test over the time with different kinds of intake and guess what - he went back to stock! Too bad search is disabled. He has some interesting posts. Once in a while you wil see threads popping up "I went back to stock intake and it feals like my car is faster, more responsive etc...."

I have a hacked airbox without resonators, purely for sound and it sounds great! Well, maybe I gained 0,1 hp

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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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Magik, NO. CAI is for low end, hai/hybrid is for top end.
no id have to disagree, ive had 4 intake setups which were stock, hybrid popcharger, hacked airbox and my injen style setup.

hybrid and hacked i suffered no power loss in bottom end, i actualy got better throttle response and it felt slightly quicker under hard acceleration. but when already in motion if im doing 40 and quickly stomp the gas the car would down shift and it would accelerate at the same speed as when i had my stock on. normal driving felt a little better down low and stayed practically the same up top. off the line if i stomp the gas it would take off quicker but i noticed no impressive gains up top

with my injen, my trottle response doesnt feel as good as with hybrid, pop, or stock. acceleration feels slow under normal acceleration untill i reach 3500 rpms where it would pick up faster. under hard acceleration the car statrs off sluggish but when i reach 3500rpms it pickks up very nicely, muh more improvment over my other setups. when cruising, if i suddenly stomp the gas the car down shifts and accelerates a lil faster with my injen compared to my other setups.

im pretty sure others have agreed that cai's are for top end and hybrid/pop are best for low end.
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Too bad. Either your car has so many problems that you don't notice the low end loss with the hybrid/hai or you should stop believing what your butt dyno feels. CAI is for low end, he others are for top-end. I doubt anyone will agree with you. Put your stock intake on for a week and then drive the hai/hybrid for a week. If you don't feel a difference I suggest you do some maintenance, KS and 02 sensors, the basic stuff.
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Too bad. Either your car has so many problems that you don't notice the low end loss with the hybrid/hai or you should stop believing what your butt dyno feels. CAI is for low end, he others are for top-end. I doubt anyone will agree with you. Put your stock intake on for a week and then drive the hai/hybrid for a week. If you don't feel a difference I suggest you do some maintenance, KS and 02 sensors, the basic stuff.
well i guess this may be tru for a placeracing cai, but for the injen style, there is no low end gains, everything begins to pick up at 3500 rpms and the gain is very noticeable at thst rpm speed. my car is in gr8 shape and i still noticed no high end pick up with popcharger type setups, and im not the only one. ive read peoples comments on how they feel about those intakes.
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 11:14 AM
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Injen is not a cold air intake for one. Place Racing/Cattman is the only true one for the 4-gen
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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How is the injen even called a CAI? It;s right by the exhaust manifold where the most heat is. Whoever designed that is a nut.
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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were do u get the place racing intake?......how much is it...im debating weather or not to get the ebay intake or the injen but u say the injen sucks and the place racing is better were can i find it and wut is better place racing or ebay?
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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for doolerster:

check out the intake links it will answer your question...

maxima.accessjdm.com
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 12:44 AM
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I have a Weapon-R Dragon Series intake installed, anyone have any experience/input on these. I noticed slight higher end gains, but mostly a nice sound is made with it in.
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Vlad
Org member called Dave B did many test over the time with different kinds of intake and guess what - he went back to stock! Too bad search is disabled. He has some interesting posts. Once in a while you wil see threads popping up "I went back to stock intake and it feals like my car is faster, more responsive etc...."

I have a hacked airbox without resonators, purely for sound and it sounds great! Well, maybe I gained 0,1 hp

Vlad
Actually, I have the Place Racing CAI and the stock resonator. It's awesome. The torque surge on shifts is lightyears ahead of hybrids and hacked airbox I had. Around town, the setup is by the best setup I've ever had. No heat induced bogging in hot weather and no lack of throttle response below 3000rpms. At the track, it's 14.4s@98mph with this CAI setup and 14.4s@98mph with the hybrid or hacked airbox setup, so basically no difference. Around town, the difference is very noticable as in positive.
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Cool! Thanks for correcting me!
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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I installed an Injen RD CAI and I experienced some slight bogging of the throddle below 3500 rpm.....,but after I had my ECU upgraded the throddle fees much better.........no bogging...maybe to much air is getting to the MAF sensor and the stock ECU is holding back....just a thought
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I doubt that.
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Actually, I have the Place Racing CAI and the stock resonator. It's awesome. The torque surge on shifts is lightyears ahead of hybrids and hacked airbox I had. Around town, the setup is by the best setup I've ever had. No heat induced bogging in hot weather and no lack of throttle response below 3000rpms. At the track, it's 14.4s@98mph with this CAI setup and 14.4s@98mph with the hybrid or hacked airbox setup, so basically no difference. Around town, the difference is very noticable as in positive.


I had the same PR CAI with stock resonator setup like you. Even though the lowend is much better with the resonator than with the midpipe, I thought the lowend was still lacking. So I put back the hacked air box setup. The lowend power definitely improved. I noticed a much better response in the lowend. However, the topend wasn't that great anymore. Not sure if had anything to do with me switching back to the hacked air box or my dumb RPM switch didn't work again. Probably something to do with the latter than the former.
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 09:02 PM
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Well.............my experience with Injen is a positive one..........my 5sp has more pull thru every gear...not to mention thr growl that can be heard down the block........
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Actually, I have the Place Racing CAI and the stock resonator. It's awesome. The torque surge on shifts is lightyears ahead of hybrids and hacked airbox I had. Around town, the setup is by the best setup I've ever had. No heat induced bogging in hot weather and no lack of throttle response below 3000rpms. At the track, it's 14.4s@98mph with this CAI setup and 14.4s@98mph with the hybrid or hacked airbox setup, so basically no difference. Around town, the difference is very noticable as in positive.
Light years ahead of hacked airbox, eh? That's a pretty strong statement...so you have the wedge shaped resonator instead of a midpipe for the CAI? Or are you talking about the dead-end silencer thing that comes off the front of the intake scoop?
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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He's talking about the resonator that is usually replaced with a mid-pipe by other intakes. There is no other resonator except the one under the battery and he can't mean that one if he has a PR CAI.
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Light years ahead of hacked airbox, eh? That's a pretty strong statement...so you have the wedge shaped resonator instead of a midpipe for the CAI? Or are you talking about the dead-end silencer thing that comes off the front of the intake scoop?
IMO, yes, it is lightyears better to me. The resonator I'm talking about is the one between the throttle body and MAF. The improved lowend response can be felt even right off idle. With the CAI/resonator, I can let the clutch without any gas and the car happily moves forward. With all the other intakes including the PR CAI with midpipe, you would need to feather the clutch carefully to keep the motor from getting really boggy before it would start to move the car. This tells me the air is far more ideal in the lower rpms. The VQ feels more punchier and responsive at all rpms. My favorite part is that on every shift (WOT and part-throttle), the car lunges forward far harder than it did with the midpipe. Overall, the VQ sounds and feels like it doesn't have to work as hard. The resonator reduces intake noise by about 20%. Around town, my VQ offers strong linear acceleration from idle to 4000rpms with no bumpiness in the powerband. With the hacked airbox and midpipe, PR CAI with midpipe, or hybrid intake, there was a "ramping" effect in acceleration. This effect can be desribed as very soft lowend torque and then around 3000rpms, the car would pick up acceleration quite quickly almost feeling like a turbo spooling up. From the seat of the pants, the midpipe feels better because your mind is tricked into believing it's accelerating harder because you go from weak acceleration to strong acceleration over a few hundred rpm. Linear acceleration, while ultimately quicker, feels slower to the mind. With the resonator in place, this ramping effect is gone. I've read quite a bit of information on Helmhotz resonators (the one used on the VQ and most late model cars) and their effects on power delivery. I've even seen dynos and it clearly shows what I'm describing. There is a marked lack of lowend HP/TQ without the resonator in place and at a certain rpm range, the power comes on very quickly, sometimes jumping the curve up 20-30%. With the resonator in place, the curve is steady and makes 20-30% more power. These gains from the resonator are low in rpm range and spread over the rpm range most people drive in. The resonator holds power just as strongly in the upper rpms too with differences in power of maybe 0-2hp in favor of a straight pipe or midpipe. 2hp won't do jack in a race.

Will having the resonator in place make you quicker and faster? No. You hardly spend any time accelerating in the idle to 4000rpms range in a race so the benefits would be basically nill. I don't see any difference in ET/MPH.

Will it make you slower? No. It is quieter which means it doesn't feel like you're accelerating as fast. Loud is equated to fast in your brain.

Will the VQ make a crapload more torque with the resonator? No, but it allows the VQ to deliver the best overall powerband. You can only expect so much torque from a tiny 3.0 V6. If you want torque, get a V8.

Have I tried the resonator with the hacked airbox and cone intakes? Yes and it felt pretty good, BUT all these intake suck in hot air and around town they all experienced heat induced bog in the lower rpms. Yuck.
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