GoalieKeg

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You'd be in the 13's if you are a good driver.

krismax

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first off i was the very first person to put a dek on a 4th gen max and thats the way i did it i machined stuff and i gueess i was looking for the best hp i could get using the pathy TB .
If you could weld and then machine the 4th gen lower with the oovi uppers bolt pattern into a 4th gen lower it would solve many problems(a spacer may work there but the 00 vi already almost touches the hood) also in your kit include a 90 degree pipe adapter to make the pcv valve work out (dek's valvecover is diff for pcv)

also the reason i say use another TB is because with the stock with a adapter i couldnt help but have bad clocking.

This is my thread of when i finally got it up and running pics and video
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....35#post2956335

also if you look at my pics youll see i made one adapter to be two things hold the TB and hold the IACV setup

With the change of tires and vi i went from 14.65@95.5 to 13.82 100.26 this thing is the real deal ,now it will go on my 3.5 (which is getting swaped now in my 96)from initial tests the dek vi on a 3.5 also is going to be something special.

nismos14

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probably not. price would be astronomical. and most people want to have different options/choices on which product they buy for each. IE: some prefer jwt ecu over g-force and vice versa

d00df00d

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Right, I know... I was just thinking that once the VI kit comes out, maybe SSR could team up with some people who make the other parts and offer a package like that as a special thing for a good price. People already make turbo and S/C kits with "everything you need", right? This would be the NA alternative.

Done right, such a kit could make an 8k+ rpm redline possible, and it'd give a super-wide power band. Other setups with FI or 3.5 swaps could make more peak power but they'd have to redline lower (much lower with FI), so the amount of actual usable power wouldn't be that much bigger without a lot more work. Plus, FI kits and 3.5 swaps are really time consuming and a huge PITA to install, and can cause all sorts of headaches.

You'd be talking maybe $4k shipped for a complete NA package, plus it'd be completely bolt-on (except maybe the cams). Everything would be hand-picked and tuned to work well together, right out of the box.

It'd be a killer alternative to a turbo or S/C kit for the same price, especially since it would gives at least 80% the overall performance for less than half the install time and none of the trouble.

Besides, for starters, Cattman already sells most if not all of what would be needed -- they have intake, cams, ECU, headers, high-flow cat, catback, and flywheel. Seems like it could work, no?

Chief Brody

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As has been stated ad nauseum, the 00vi adapter kit would be a terrific idea. There seems to be a ton of interest in making a straightforward and standardized way to install it. Just look at the all motor forums for people who are looking for a nice write up. Good luck finding some test cars.

d00df00d

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Any news??

scrhale

Would you have to throw out your CAI if you did this? I am guessing yes but my noob mind is usually wrong.

NmexMAX

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Yes you're wrong ... CAI should still fit. Only true CAI is PR.

Kevlo911

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It doesnt fit as good as it used to, better if you redrill the hole...

Ceasars Chariot

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what the latest ?

SSR Engineering

im checking my cost on the intake manifold alone so i can do a package deal for you guys

Checked : List price on the VQ30DE-K Manifold = $480.56

Also do you guys know what Throttle bodies mate with it?

Ninos_Maxima

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I think you could put a pathfinder tb but you would need an adapter plate

krismax

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only one that seems to maten to it directly is the stock one it came with. 95-99 max doesnt and nothing else seems to. But like i was saying best TB that mounts with a plate is the one i have pathy 01 cable 3.5 TB.

SSR Engineering

Just so you guys know where at a list of

$480 Intake Manifold
$100-200 Adapter Plate
+$??? Throttle Body Adapter or Throttle Body

Total =
Low - $580 + TB Adapter / TB
High - $680 + TB Adapter / TB

We will be able to exclude the Intake Manifold as part of the price but we did a nationwide search for 00-01 DE-K Intake Manifolds and found 1, so your chances of finding one arent the greatest. However if you do, all you need is the TB it came with our our TB Adapter for a larger TB.

DAVE Sz

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Car-part.com has plenty of de-k manifolds so don't worry about that. The upper is maybe $200 shipped tops. Lower, upper, fuel rail and injectors can be had for $500 easily.

Zack342

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$580-680 for bolt on kit with new VI plenum sounds reasonable. this would be a bolt on and i would get to keep my stock lower manifold and Tb?

SSR Engineering

I think i need to research this DE-K manifold thing a little bit more.

If you have to switch fuel rails and injectors why do it?

Ninos_Maxima

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would the kit include an rpm switch?

d00df00d

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The DE-K injectors have a higher flow. You'd need to reprogram your ECU but bigger injectors never hurt.

A new ECU may seem a bit much, especially on top of the fuel stuff, but you really need one with a higher redline to make the most of the DE-K VI anyway.

On the other hand, it is a lot of work and money. So it really comes down to personal preference.

BTW, big @ the RPM switch. It's pretty freakin' important.

DAVE Sz

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Hold on. The upper from a 2k-2k1 VI can be had for way under $200 shipped from a junkyard. So what is the $600+ for? The $200 manifold and and adapter or 2?

THT

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Before you guys cream yourselves too much, let me inject a little reality. Each year of the 4th gen Maxima is different when it comes to installing the 00VI. This is due to differing emissions equipment and related vaccum sources. For instance, when Nismo3112 and I put the VI on my 96, we had a helluva time dealing with parts Nismo3112 didn't have to deal with when he installed the VI on his 95. 97, 98, and 99 owners will have the same issues. SSR Engineering will need to create different kits for each year UNLESS they choose to supply just the hardware and leave the plumbing headache to the end consumer. Just my two cents.

~THT

d00df00d

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Ouch.

Someone get in here and help SSR out! The purpose of the kit as we've been discussing it was to make the VI a complete bolt-on mod, so it'd kinda be a waste to leave the plumbing to the end user.

What needs to be done, if it's possible, is to make the kit such that all SSR has to do when adapting it to different model years is to change a few parts here and there. I'm not a Maxima guru but I definitely have a mind for these things... If there are any Maxima gurus remotely near Philadelphia, PA who can contribute to this project and need an extra person to bounce ideas off of, drop me a line.

GoalieKeg

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I agree. This is the whole point I was trying to make with the kit, so that 95-99ers will be able to bolt it on and start it up with no problems, and have all vaccum lines dealt with. But I ask that SSR Engineering deal with the vaccum lines, that's the main thing that keeps most orgers from buying the 00VI and retrofitting it to the 95-99 VQ30, whatever year it may be.

d00df00d

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What about adapting the VQ40 manifold, as was suggested on the first page of this thread? Would that make anything easier?

SSR Engineering

Guys from reading all this stuff, we're definitely not going to be able to make the kit fit each year of the maxima but we can get you guys started by making an adapter to make it work with your car, and leave the rest up to you guys.

deezo

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And I think that should be good enough. Some people want everything but don't want to put in the time to make it work.

Zack342

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good enough

Cant_Get_Ryte

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thats sufficient, if it saves having to run the new injectors and such the other portions are pretty easy.

NmexMAX

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MSmax96

ok then make the kit fit the 96 haha but ur idea works to.....i dont mind doing some work myself

zazon

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works for me, thanks for all of the work SSR

d00df00d

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So, just to get this straight:

- SSR's adapter will make the 00VI fit a 4th gen engine without changing the fuel rail, injectors, or throttle body
- Vacuum hoses will have to be taken care of by us individually

Right?

Nismo3112

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I don't know if this was mentioned already, but Krismax said if you reuse the 4th gen lower IM, it will create clearance problems with the rear coil packs. This is true. THT's car, we had to swap out my modified rear valve cover, and coil packs to make the VI fit. This problem could however be resolved if the lower to upper IM adapter plate from SSR makes the 00VI sit high enough, eliminating the need to cut your coil packs, and grind the rear VC.

My vote goes to:

A kit that supplies the 00VI to stock lower IM adapter, stock TB adapter, and do not forget an adapter for the IACV. Also I assume most people would want to retain the factory EGR system. The guide tube which would be needed, could easily be duplicated, and be a part of the kit.

Also there is little chance of any aftermarket FTSB fitting after installing a 00VI.

d00df00d

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Wouldn't it also be important to make sure that the position of the TB is as close to stock as possible so as not to screw up anyone who has a CAI or FI kit?

Stephen Max

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There is no chance of that. The 00vi moves the throttle body back towards the firewall by several inches. But that is not really too much of a problem. You just have to modify your intake tract a bit.

Also, I was able to retain my Courtesy FSTB by using the DE lower IM.

krismax

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one if they make a spacer between upper and lower to bolt them together it would have to be thin because the hood clerance is close now.
And also the 00 egr guide tube wont work because now you moved the IM farther away from the egr valve.

and also the plate they use to make the 4th gen TB bolt up all your TBs will be at a 40 degree angle.

This is gonna be one sweet mess

And the IACV whats the solution ......i have the solution to all these problems but many org'rs are extremly cheap . Im sure ssr could make a complete kit but you guys wouldnt pay the price thats why i never sold kits . My price for complete bolt on would have been $850-900 ... get the idea

NmexMAX

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Would that be a direct bolt on? I've spent more on less, so that's not that bad when you think of the low-end gain, and a 7.2k JWT

Nismo3112

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They could make their own guide tube, which would be slightly longer, make it work with the higher sitting VI.


My stock TB sat upright.

d00df00d

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but if we're really trying to keep the cost down so much, why aren't we just talking about adapting a VQ30DET or VQ40 manifold instead of the 00VI? Seems like it'd be simpler to do....

Nismo3112

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Both of those manifolds are designed for RWD cars and would look quite disoriented in a FWD car. How would that be easier than installing a 00VI?