Haha, actually I'd rather have Cattman but I want Hotshot to make them and Orgers to try them and report back. If HS are good quality I'd definitely take them if they're cheaper. Headers are low-priority for me at the moment but I'm still interested in how this develops.

 

why guys?
you are willing to spend 600 bucks + a ***** of an install which most ORGers will pay a shop another 2-3 to have them installed...to gain at peak 5hp more then a y pipe?
These would be practically unless you have a super charger. and even then it's arguable about the hp to $$ ratio...I'd rather spend the extra 600 on a MEVI or ECU which will actually make my car faster on the track and street.
5hp on the 1/4 = nada
just my opinion. feel free to comment. you all usually do.

 

i'm liking what i see. but i would like to see them make cali. spec. since most cali. spec cars are not in the state of cali. figure that one out. be cool to have a set, and finnally complete my exhaust.

 

well...I am going to supercharge soon...so these would really benefit me, and you can't beat the sound of equal length primaries--which the hotshot ones will be....(if you have ever rode in a car with cattman headers, you will understand!!) in either case, most people get headers for the sound and prestige on our cars...if you already have an ecu and mevi, and are trying to squeeze every drop of NA performane out of our cars, then headers are the way to go...

 

i'v ridden in a maxima with full headers. I was NOT impressed at all. not by the sound. not by the performance. and especially not by the COST.

Prestige? of having headers? what are you talking about. it's a ****ing exhaust, not a chromed up turbo.

If all your after is sound...lol go buy a new muffler ricer, and when i say ricer i mean it in the nicest possible way just to let you know...

 

no matter what muffler you get, you can only go so far with the exhaust coming from each bank at different points in the collector and the waves hitting eachother causing turbulence....which inherently changes the sound, the equal length primaries will take you current exhaust setup and change the sound almost entirely...
the cost for performance ratio is definitely poor at best, but nonetheless for boosted applications it is worth it's weight in T304 stainless....lol....

in either case for NA guys, the headers give every last drop of performance for those that already have all the other bolt-ons...

and the headers on our cars make them sound a whole lot less ricey...a lot more refined....anyone who has switched from their intake and put the stock resonator back on or has put on the mevi and compared it to the sounds of the USIM would understand how going from rough and loud to smooth and refined sounds can be a very nice change!

is it possible to get a nasty sound out of the cattman headers (ricey, farty, unrefined, loud, raspy, etc.) of course, but if you look into it, those people usually have straight pipes and unresonated b pipes attached to straight through near "coffee-can" mufflers

whereas with just a y pipe, there is a limit to how refined and smooth your exhaust can be (regardless of the setup)...simple nature of sound waves and turbulence...it's why the old vipers were complained about as being strange/ugly sounding...as each bank was unbalanced....new viper, they included an x pipe type design that balanced the two banks...result...beautiful V10 sound...

I love my full WSP mandrel resonated aluminized setup! don't get me wrong, but I am going boost soon, but to each his own I guess...

 

I don't care what anyone says...i'd get them just for the sound. I'm tired of the low-rumble, dump truck-sounding exhaust tone I have with the aftermarket y-pipe. I want my exhaust to sing like V-Dub V6's with a tasteful exhaust. If that makes me a ricer, so be it. Like michaelnyden said, the exhaust pulses from both cylinder banks are colliding, resulting in a low baritone sound that doesn't match the intake tone, and i wanna do away with that.

I'm also going with a 3.5 in the somewhat near future so there will be greater gains for me.

 

how does a 19 yr old afford for a 3.5 swap?

 

free bump i want headers

 

I said somewhat near future. That means months from now. Apart from buying the engine itself, there's nothing else that i would have to pay for since I'm gonna be doing the labor myself.

 

Why you always so negative Torgus? How does an 18 year old buy a supercharger? C'mon man. Go sell your car or something.

 

i have a thread on the org with detailed 1/4 mile track data comparing the warpspeed y pipe with the cattman headers. its worth taking a look at and posting up your thoughts and opinons on the information. car is a 97 maxima se/ 5 speed

here is the link:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....74#post3726574

 

oh the chariot is slower? now isn't that interesting...
i wouldn't think the temps would effect it that much but i'm just guessing...

broaner:
yes recently i have been rather negative because i'v been driving lots of different cars and talking to alot of other people with cars that react much better to modifications then ours do. **** with every bolt on were still under 200hp/tq and still in the 14's unless your on slicks and a serious diet...and if your an auto forget about it.

oh but for what it's worth have hotshot make the headers. competition is good. and can only mean better prices for you customers...

 

you do understand that the VQ engine was concieved in the late 80's and was first introduced in the '95 maxima....give it a break....for no variable timing control or lift, and no variable intake manifold stock or super high compression heads like current hondas, what kind of specific output are you expecting....

our engine don't respond well to mods??? look at most civics (owners I know personally), they gain on average 12-15whp with intake, bored TB, port matched and honed manifolds, UDP's, headers, full catbacks....and maybe 25whp with cams and cam gears and all the above...

a lot of guys with S2000's are loosing power when they mod them sometimes, cause the parts are so unrestricted and well tuned from the factory...

we gain nearly that much power with $600 in exhaust work!!! talk about responding well to mods, yes they are NA cars, but so are we, so mods don't do nearly as much as they do on boosted cars, let's compare apples to apples...

for most cars made in the the mid-late 90's...it is unheard of to go from 155 whp stock to 205 whp with just bolt-ons!!! but it has been done many times on 4th gen's...you can shave an entire second sometimes more off a stock 5spd 4th gen with all the bolt-ons....and that doesn't cost that much!!! stock run 15.2's....most guys with full-bolt ons run 14.2's...and such...what more do you want...that is incredible in itself!!!

 

Good point of coming out of the factory designed well. Let's compare the same headers (Cattman) on the 3.5, night and day difference and DYNO proven for once.

The 3.0 units are adequate for the job on the 3.0. Now for the 3.5, well that's an entirely different story.

 

which is why when you throw a S/C'er on our 3.0's the headers do so much...you are way maxing out the stock headers at that point...

what kind of #'s do the headers produce for the 3.5L 5.5gen max's? over an aftermarket y pipe??, not over the stock y pipe mind you...

 

The gain is also attributed to all 2k2+ being Cali spec, so the y-pipes available are only "1/2" a y-pipe compared to what we're used to on the 3.0s.

 

Let's not forget the 5.5 gen headers remove the precats which is responsible for most of the gains, just like a y-pipe on a 4th gen. Headers on the 5.5 gen gain about 20whp. Headers on the 4th gen gain about 16whp.

 

What kind of cars have you been driving? LS1 F-Bodies and EVOs?

A 5 speed 4th gen with a Y-pipe, intake, MEVI, and JWT ECU on 15" rims makes about 200-205whp and 195-200wtq. That's been verified on numerous occasions. Add the DEK intake manifold and the numbers jump by about 12whp/14tq. I personally witnessed BSwithTF's auto 95 GXE make 193whp/193tq with the DEK manifold/JWT ECU/UDP/Y-pipe/catback. I would imagine a 5 speed should make around 215whp/210tq. That's not bad considering this is an internally untouched 3.0 V6 with no fancy variable cam/timing/lift wizardy and in a car that only weighs 2900-3000lbs from the factory. I think it's quite a feat to take a car that typically runs low 15s and drop it into the low 14s with very minimal work.

I can't think of one late model NA motor that can claim a gain of 35% gain in whp by adding some bolt-ons that don't include going into the motor (heads, cams, stroking).

I could only wish that my G35 could make the gains my old Maxima did. The only way I can gain 35% in whp on my G35 is by getting a supercharger. Headers, cams, intake, exhaust, ecu, etc. You name the NA mod and it isn't going to cut it. I'd need to go from 215whp to 284whp. 245whp is about the limit for bolt-ons with the auto.

 

Good stuff...

 

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