Big tax refund!!!!!! time for Illuminas+S-Techs
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Originally Posted by A Flood99
Armani, you have the most biased voice on this thread
don't think your 1.3" drop is the "best" just since you own the springs
i doubt you've ever had S-techs on your car, so don't make assumptions
also, understeer is not really increased when lowering.....it might be more because we have FWD cars
don't think your 1.3" drop is the "best" just since you own the springs
i doubt you've ever had S-techs on your car, so don't make assumptions
also, understeer is not really increased when lowering.....it might be more because we have FWD cars
Armani, don't call me silly names
i'm not bashing your spring combo, i'm just saying you don't have first hand experience with s.tech's so don't pretend to
you seem a little tense, prolly because your max still looks like a 4x4
i'm not bashing your spring combo, i'm just saying you don't have first hand experience with s.tech's so don't pretend to
you seem a little tense, prolly because your max still looks like a 4x4
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Originally Posted by Armani
there is a GD #2 on illuminas. They come out to be cheap, $408 shipped. I bought mine like 2 weeks ago. You will NOT find them cheaper anywhere.
As for H&Rs, there's also a GD which sells them for $226 shipped, which is where I also got mine. I didn't feel like waiting, but I saw them brand new on e-bay before for a little less than that. It's your call, I wanted them fast so I didn't care to save the $10 or whatever.
As for H&Rs, there's also a GD which sells them for $226 shipped, which is where I also got mine. I didn't feel like waiting, but I saw them brand new on e-bay before for a little less than that. It's your call, I wanted them fast so I didn't care to save the $10 or whatever.
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Originally Posted by A Flood99
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you seem a little tense, prolly because your max still looks like a 4x4
you seem a little tense, prolly because your max still looks like a 4x4
Anyway, a 1.5 drop makes my max a 4x4? O.K. buddy
What drop do you have going, 2.0+? ...that probably makes you more tense because now your Max looks like a riced out civic made into a lowrider.
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Originally Posted by josehernandez94
Sorry for the ignorance... what's a GD?
...here it is: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....2&page=9&pp=30
read post #255 on page 9, that's where you'll find directions on how to order and get the huge discount. $408 shipped, still valid.
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Originally Posted by Max Mutes
LMAO!! Well, before this Thread gets out of hand, we need to know what exacty you're lookin for "josehernandez94". Like I stated in my original post, do you want to go for looks or comfort/handling?
Struts:
- Tokico Illuminas = Great. Best known strut for our car out there.
Illumina paired Springs:
- H&R's = Great. Level, merely raked 1.4 F, 1.3 R Drop (like stated by Irish.) Also, it's said when paired with Ben's Rear Shock travel Mounts to be a better/moothertighter ride than Stock. So benefits over Stock on all angles.
- H-Techs = Great. Raked, 1.6 F, 1.2 R Drop. PHenry had a write-up on these. More sportier feel and better handling than H&R's, but ever so SLIGHTLY less comfortable compared to H&R's. Prolly when paired with Ben's Rear Mounts, would be just as comfortable as H&R's without the Rear Mounts.
- S-Techs = Great. Raked, 2.2 R, 1.8 R Drop (not 100% positive, but pretty sure.) Superior drop of all Strut/Spring combos out there w/o gettin Coilovers. Def. more Show than Go, as the handling actually suffers due to understeering and is said to be worse than Stock. Also, obviously the ride is not near as comfy as H&R's/H-Techs, nevermind Stock.
Notice I said "Great" for each one. That's because they are all great, but just are better in certain fields than the others. Don't forget either, that there are other things to take into account as well like whether the ride is level, raked or sagging. The list goes on tho, but I figured I'd do these 3 since they seem to be the most popular ones around. Just make sure, you know what you want and what exactly you're lookin for. Then ask for peoples opinions and suggestions on their usage of them.
Struts:
- Tokico Illuminas = Great. Best known strut for our car out there.
Illumina paired Springs:
- H&R's = Great. Level, merely raked 1.4 F, 1.3 R Drop (like stated by Irish.) Also, it's said when paired with Ben's Rear Shock travel Mounts to be a better/moothertighter ride than Stock. So benefits over Stock on all angles.
- H-Techs = Great. Raked, 1.6 F, 1.2 R Drop. PHenry had a write-up on these. More sportier feel and better handling than H&R's, but ever so SLIGHTLY less comfortable compared to H&R's. Prolly when paired with Ben's Rear Mounts, would be just as comfortable as H&R's without the Rear Mounts.
- S-Techs = Great. Raked, 2.2 R, 1.8 R Drop (not 100% positive, but pretty sure.) Superior drop of all Strut/Spring combos out there w/o gettin Coilovers. Def. more Show than Go, as the handling actually suffers due to understeering and is said to be worse than Stock. Also, obviously the ride is not near as comfy as H&R's/H-Techs, nevermind Stock.
Notice I said "Great" for each one. That's because they are all great, but just are better in certain fields than the others. Don't forget either, that there are other things to take into account as well like whether the ride is level, raked or sagging. The list goes on tho, but I figured I'd do these 3 since they seem to be the most popular ones around. Just make sure, you know what you want and what exactly you're lookin for. Then ask for peoples opinions and suggestions on their usage of them.
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Originally Posted by lil_Jay22
are h&r's for a 3rd gen diffrent than for a 4th gen because I took out a set of 3rd gens I had on my old car.
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Originally Posted by VQuick
I did my suspension months ago but somehow I missed that I should have cut the bump stop. I thought that was only for really low drops. First of all, what is the bump stop? Is it the top part of the black dust boot? Do you just cut an inch off that? And is this for both front and rear? I have Ben's modified strut mounts in the rear which give me almost an inch more of travel.
The front bumpstops are actually located within the strut boot. You have to actually tear out the bumpstops from the boot in order to cut them. They're glued inside the rubber boot. For the rears, you simply cut out two of the three ribs on the top portion of the strut boot.
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Well it seem s with much pondering, I think I'm going to go with the Illuminas and the Tokiko springs where I have a 5 speed tranny. In maxmods they say stiffness and ride quality are about the same. And the Tokikos give you a little lower drop in the front than the H&Rs. Sound good? I've seen a few pics of 5 spd Maxs with Illuminas and H&Rs and the front does sit a tad bit higher than the rear which I don't think looks good. Tokiko struts and Tokiko springs, how can you go wrong?
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Originally Posted by Armani
GD = group deal
...here it is: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....2&page=9&pp=30
read post #255 on page 9, that's where you'll find directions on how to order and get the huge discount. $408 shipped, still valid.
...here it is: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....2&page=9&pp=30
read post #255 on page 9, that's where you'll find directions on how to order and get the huge discount. $408 shipped, still valid.
Now read post 261
Originally Posted by Armani
it still works people. Post 261 was there before when I ordered mine. It's BS, some "kids" on here simply don't know how to use a computer. Why don't people actually go to the freakin site and check for themselves if it really works or not.
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Originally Posted by Zach95SE
I'm sorry but this "kid" sitting at this computer staring at your dumbass response did go to the site and was going to buy them but the fronts were sold out. So why don't you being the grown up go to the site and explain how it is still working.
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Does anyone have pics of their car w/ Illuminas and Tokiko springs and 18'' wheels? If this is you, would you post them for me. I think I'm going to go w/ Illuminas and the Tokiko springs where I have a 5 speed tranny and it's lighter. The H&R springs make the front end sit too high. The Tokikos have a lower drop and according to Maxmods, the ride quality is very similar.
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Originally Posted by josehernandez94
FYI: They're out of stock, but will be getting new stock in about a month. The deal still applies, you just have to wait awhile to get your stuff. Alternatively, you can pay them extra money to rush your order and get it immediately.
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Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
Does anyone have pics of their car w/ Illuminas and Tokiko springs and 18'' wheels? If this is you, would you post them for me. I think I'm going to go w/ Illuminas and the Tokiko springs where I have a 5 speed tranny and it's lighter. The H&R springs make the front end sit too high. The Tokikos have a lower drop and according to Maxmods, the ride quality is very similar.
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Still some wheel gappage.. still unsure whether or not to get lower springs or just stick with the tokicos. It's weird, my tokico drop doesn't look as low as other people's drops with springs which claim to be just as low as tokicos.
Edit: I also have 85 lbs of audio equipment in the trunk, so my rear is probably a bit lower than it would be otherwise.
Originally Posted by fadeaway
It's weird, my tokico drop doesn't look as low as other people's drops with springs which claim to be just as low as tokicos.
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Originally Posted by Zach95SE
I had emailed them like a week ago about it and they said they didn't know when the new ones were coming in. So I just figured it was dead. So I just went ahead about bought them off of ebay.
You can call, order, and wait for them to get them in stock. And trust me, they will very fast. $408 shipped may be the cheapest anywhere, but they still make a **** load of $$$ on us...so they win big time either way.
I have the S-tech AGX setup.
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
Originally Posted by TickingVTC
I have the S-tech AGX setup.
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
what city are you in? what are you settings on the AGX?
Originally Posted by 98MikeXimaSE
im callin BS big time. H&R doesnt even drop u by 1" so why bother cashin out almost $600 for an inch when u can go down much lower??? PERIOD
H&R= least drop not BEST. define BEST for us please
H&R= least drop not BEST. define BEST for us please
You can call BS when you state some facts to prove your theory.
Originally Posted by MDeezy
what city are you in? what are you settings on the AGX?
Deezy do you have any ideas on how to improve the ride?
Anybody here have Intrax springs or have used/rode in them? Just curious, cuz I seen an A32 I30 with them and I like the drop, a little lower than H&R's, but not too low/slammed lookin. Just curious if the ride is good, like close to H&R's comfort or bad, like as harsh/bumpy as Sprints & S-Techs. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TickingVTC
I have the S-tech AGX setup.
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
I dont like it.
Not even a little. I even have another car when the ride gets sickening but this setup makes me nay trips above 30 miles.
The drop is nice but you seriously compromise ride and safety.
The is far to little strut travel and it will cause the car to dart with even a small pothole/ imperfection in the road. It throws the camber way off and its kinda hard to get it corrected and make it stick. I may change the tires setup as well 245 45 zr17 gives a nice bite but a helluva lot of road noise. 225 50 17 all around and some Htechs or an Hr spring will give you a similar appearance in wheel gap and looks (paired with above mentioned tire) and will ride a million times better. ....but to each his own good luck with your purchase!
To sum, here are my options:
Illuminas+S-Techs: $560, drop that I want for looks, questions on handling/safety/comfort
D2 coilovers: $900, drop that I want for looks, fewer questions on handling/safety/comfort (I'm assuming this is the case at least, but don't really know much about coilovers)
Another coilover system: something cheaper than the D2s hopefully--any suggestions?
Edit: something like the Tein Basic Coilover system, although I guess it's not that much cheaper http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/t...s/dsp28-luss2/
Thanks a lot for all your help. Sorry about my indecision. I only want to do the suspension once and since new information seems to come up everday, this has made things difficult.
again s techs are a show look...i love the way the max looks....you definately get the "cut springs" wheel tuck look... but always I choose the stock auto altima on my 30 mile drive to work just because of the ride ..thats sad....and the handling goes to heck...way to much understeer...you will bottom out in the rear without custom strut mounts. (i have them) I cant enjoy the television, cant enjoy a conversation, cant enjoy the stereo on low voulme because of the ride and road noise...not to mention at 100 mph if there is a divit in the road. Remember wheel Gap is caused by spring rate and tire profile. Ive been to several alignment and body shops and they all said the same thing...car is to low for any comfort
The money for Coilovers is NOT that serious. There was just a Group Deal on D2 Coilovers for $700 shipped, it's over but if you stay patient I'm sure there will be another one or type of GD very shortly. You figure, $400 for Illuminas, $200 for S-Techs. So you're paying only $100 more for something that's gonna be better for you. If you want it that low and slammed and want a better riding car than yes just go to Coilovers, forget the Strut/Spring combo. I wouldn't recommend S-Techs unless you really desired the looks and was on a type of tight budget where $100 meant ALOT or were just used to a very sporty, harsh riding ride and could care less.
I don't have them myself, but I rode in one on 18's and it wasn't HORRIBLE, but it definately was enough to help me clarify which direction I was gonna be headin. Now, I know NC musn't have the worst of roads like if you were drivin up here in NYC, so you gotta take that into consideration as well. Overall tho, if you're lookin for such a low, slammed look then definately just go Coilovers, it's a little more but you'll be more satisfied with both, a lower drop almost tucked and the ride when compared to S-Techs.
I don't have them myself, but I rode in one on 18's and it wasn't HORRIBLE, but it definately was enough to help me clarify which direction I was gonna be headin. Now, I know NC musn't have the worst of roads like if you were drivin up here in NYC, so you gotta take that into consideration as well. Overall tho, if you're lookin for such a low, slammed look then definately just go Coilovers, it's a little more but you'll be more satisfied with both, a lower drop almost tucked and the ride when compared to S-Techs.
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Originally Posted by Max Mutes
The money for Coilovers is NOT that serious. There was just a Group Deal on D2 Coilovers for $700 shipped, it's over but if you stay patient I'm sure there will be another one or type of GD very shortly. You figure, $400 for Illuminas, $200 for S-Techs. So you're paying only $100 more for something that's gonna be better for you. If you want it that low and slammed and want a better riding car than yes just go to Coilovers, forget the Strut/Spring combo. I wouldn't recommend S-Techs unless you really desired the looks and was on a type of tight budget where $100 meant ALOT or were just used to a very sporty, harsh riding ride and could care less.
I don't have them myself, but I rode in one on 18's and it wasn't HORRIBLE, but it definately was enough to help me clarify which direction I was gonna be headin. Now, I know NC musn't have the worst of roads like if you were drivin up here in NYC, so you gotta take that into consideration as well. Overall tho, if you're lookin for such a low, slammed look then definately just go Coilovers, it's a little more but you'll be more satisfied with both, a lower drop almost tucked and the ride when compared to S-Techs.
I don't have them myself, but I rode in one on 18's and it wasn't HORRIBLE, but it definately was enough to help me clarify which direction I was gonna be headin. Now, I know NC musn't have the worst of roads like if you were drivin up here in NYC, so you gotta take that into consideration as well. Overall tho, if you're lookin for such a low, slammed look then definately just go Coilovers, it's a little more but you'll be more satisfied with both, a lower drop almost tucked and the ride when compared to S-Techs.
Awesome, thanks for the advice man. Looks like the D2s really are the way to go. And I really should change my location on my profile, because I live in Rochester, NY, where the roads are pretty bad.
On another note, does anybody know where I can find someone to do the installation? Is there anybody from Rochester on the .org?
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Originally Posted by VQuick
That's because you have 18s. Rule of thumb: the smaller the sidewall of the tire, the larger the wheel gap looks. Optical illusion.
Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
Yeah, if you go with Tokikos, like I am, because I have a 5 speed, get a tire with a slightly taller sidewall with your 18s. I was recommended by a few peeps, to get 245-40-18. That will fill up your wheel gap....
Also, if you increase or decrease the overall diameter as you're suggesting, you will be changing the overall gearing of your car. A larger overall diameter will mean your car won't get off the line quite as fast....
I'd like to know where Eibach's fit in this mix as well. Im going to go with the illumina's and would like to know ahead of time what to expect...handling wise...with this combination. Handling is my most important factor..I could care less how much it is or isn't dropped. Thanks in advance.
Originally Posted by Max1man
I'd like to know where Eibach's fit in this mix as well. Im going to go with the illumina's and would like to know ahead of time what to expect...handling wise...with this combination. Handling is my most important factor..I could care less how much it is or isn't dropped. Thanks in advance.
