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Old 03-28-2005 | 10:47 PM
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Help - Cold Air Intake took water in and car quit on me....

Any coming back from this? Anyone go through this? Car just went dead and I tried starting, but nothing? Is my engine done? What do I do, What is the damage. Someone help please.

I was driving in the rain and a small puddle turned into a 3 foot deep water ditch! Car was submerged. Anyone who can help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Old 03-28-2005 | 11:07 PM
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Get new engine
Old 03-28-2005 | 11:10 PM
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Ohhhhhhhh **** son! Sounds like hydrolock. Don't know much about this besides the fact that it's not good, man Whatever you do, don't try to start it!

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Old 03-28-2005 | 11:31 PM
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I pulled the same trick once with a Quad 4 Cutlass Calais. Locked up bigtime. Had it towed to my mechanic and he drained the oil/water mixture from the pan. Pulled the plugs to let the air displace so the water in the cylinders could drain down past the rings. He put a fan on it for the whole next day to help with the drying. I believe he also squirted a little bit of light oil into each cylinder, while it was drying, to try and minimize any rust accumulation. Then, he put new plugs,oil, oil filter, and air filter in and the puppy fired up. He told me that the motor hydraulic-ing immediately saved my a** and wallet. Just don't get in a hurry and do something stupid, trying to get it running quickly.
Old 03-28-2005 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ed zachary
I pulled the same trick once with a Quad 4 Cutlass Calais. Locked up bigtime. Had it towed to my mechanic and he drained the oil/water mixture from the pan. Pulled the plugs to let the air displace so the water in the cylinders could drain down past the rings. He put a fan on it for the whole next day to help with the drying. I believe he also squirted a little bit of light oil into each cylinder, while it was drying, to try and minimize any rust accumulation. Then, he put new plugs,oil, oil filter, and air filter in and the puppy fired up. He told me that the motor hydraulic-ing immediately saved my a** and wallet. Just don't get in a hurry and do something stupid, trying to get it running quickly.
I just had to look this one up, as I had never heard of this particular Olds - it's quite a looker! http://www.consolidateddiversions.com/calais.html
Old 03-28-2005 | 11:48 PM
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my buddy w/ a WRX ran thru a puddle (he said the water was right below his door--idiot) and blew locked up the engine. no more WRX for him

no hating in the calais, i had one of those, an olds 88, olds cutlass supreme sedan and cutlass supreme coupe. the olds 88 and cutlass sedan both went 195k before dying
Old 03-29-2005 | 03:44 PM
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take this opportunity to forget about your engine and drop in a vq35
Old 03-29-2005 | 04:57 PM
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how much does it cost to swap out for a VQ35
Old 03-29-2005 | 04:59 PM
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Old 03-29-2005 | 06:31 PM
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listen.. before you even start looking into anything, just relax for a min, and dont be so ready to write your engine off as dead.. first thing.. pull all your coils off, and take all your plugs out.. if your battery is dead, either use jumper cables or take your battery out and charge it. when its ready, hook it up, and crank you engine over without the coils and plugs. if you sucked up a large amount of water, its on your cylinders. the compression of the pistons will blow out most of the water in you cylinders through the openings for the plugs. if water comes out, then you found your probelm.. put the plugs back in, intall the coils again. id change youo oil just to be on the safe side, and then take it from there..
your enigine is basicallly a big pump. weather is pumping fuel and air, or water, its still a pump..

if your motor wont even crank .. then you got an issue..
Old 03-29-2005 | 06:41 PM
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sorry to hear bro.....and that my friends is the number one reason why I dont use a CAI on a dropped maxima!
Old 03-29-2005 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TickingVTC
sorry to hear bro.....and that my friends is the number one reason why I dont use a CAI on a dropped maxima!
a easy way around that is to switch it to a short stack during the raining seasons and back to CAI for spring/summer/fall.
Old 03-29-2005 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TickingVTC
sorry to hear bro.....and that my friends is the number one reason why I dont use a CAI on a dropped maxima!
Your drop is probly less than 2 inches...
Old 03-29-2005 | 07:23 PM
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sorry to hear that if it dont work out get VQ35
Old 03-29-2005 | 07:32 PM
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dam that sucks it happened to someon on the org as well
Old 03-29-2005 | 09:18 PM
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I would disregard all these suggestions. I bet the people suggesting putting in a 3.5 don't know 1/43536th of the work you'd have to do to get that working. Unless you have a whole lot of money burning in your pocket, just get another 3.0 and call it a day. But like Stuntin' said, relax, evaluate the situation, and go from there.
Old 03-29-2005 | 10:30 PM
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yeah that sounds like a big pain in the ***
Old 03-29-2005 | 10:30 PM
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Injen intake, I'm assuming?
Old 03-29-2005 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by VQuick
Injen intake, I'm assuming?
in 3 foot deep water I don't think it would matter
Old 03-29-2005 | 10:35 PM
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I find it funny how many companies that sell the CAIs don't tell you how bad a problem Hydrolock really is, they just sort of shrug it off as some rare desease that no one ever catches. Sorry to hear the dreaded hydrolock got you, for those who want to prevent this, do some looking around, I've heard there's a coupling that goes between the intake pipe and Throttle body that prevents this from occuring. So if you have a competent mechanic who can save your engine... you may want to research this, might save you from another costly mistake.
Old 03-29-2005 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by paultyler_82
I find it funny how many companies that sell the CAIs don't tell you how bad a problem Hydrolock really is, they just sort of shrug it off as some rare desease that no one ever catches. Sorry to hear the dreaded hydrolock got you, for those who want to prevent this, do some looking around, I've heard there's a coupling that goes between the intake pipe and Throttle body that prevents this from occuring. So if you have a competent mechanic who can save your engine... you may want to research this, might save you from another costly mistake.
yeah, when I had my teg I almost had the same issue with my cai, I dumped that crap fast and never used it again...yeah, I'm not going as fast but at least I have a car.
Old 03-30-2005 | 07:15 AM
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don't drive through deep puddles and you should be fine.
Old 03-30-2005 | 07:25 AM
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I've heard there's a coupling that goes between the intake pipe and Throttle body that prevents this from occuring.
That only works if the filter is COMPLETELY submerged. They fail to tell you this but say three quarters is submerged it wont open the valves because air is still flowing into the piping, which can still hydro lock you. They also only warranty it working if it is used on an AEM intake

(AEM Intake Bypass Valve)
Old 03-30-2005 | 07:30 AM
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That only works if the filter is COMPLETELY submerged. They fail to tell you this but say three quarters is submerged it wont open the valves because air is still flowing into the piping, which can still hydro lock you. They also only warranty it working if it is used on an AEM intake

(AEM Intake Bypass Valve)
Heh heh so true, and I just happen to have one for sale $50 OBO (slightly used)

Old 03-30-2005 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrexx
Your drop is probly less than 2 inches...
or .....its P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y not
Old 03-30-2005 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Stuntin' 101
listen.. before you even start looking into anything, just relax for a min, and dont be so ready to write your engine off as dead.. first thing.. pull all your coils off, and take all your plugs out.. if your battery is dead, either use jumper cables or take your battery out and charge it. when its ready, hook it up, and crank you engine over without the coils and plugs. if you sucked up a large amount of water, its on your cylinders. the compression of the pistons will blow out most of the water in you cylinders through the openings for the plugs. if water comes out, then you found your probelm.. put the plugs back in, intall the coils again. id change youo oil just to be on the safe side, and then take it from there..
your enigine is basicallly a big pump. weather is pumping fuel and air, or water, its still a pump..

if your motor wont even crank .. then you got an issue..
This makes the most sense!!! Don't write it off yet, this can/will blow the water out if any is in the cylinders. I hydrolocked and the car wouldn't start for about a minute but I gunned it and started and spit out a bunch of white smoke. I was almost at my house so when I got home I made sure it stayed running for about 5 more minutes to make sure all the water was burned out. A good idea is to get one of those AEM bypasses and retro fit it to your current cold air, it should be pretty easy to do, I still need to do mines I'm hoping maybe some kind of pipe cutter will work, even a hack saw if need be, you have a couple of inches to play with when you cut it so no worries. Good luck.
Old 03-30-2005 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TickingVTC
or .....its P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y not
I type probly because I say probly.

I'm saying that the average drop is 1.6 inches. It wouldn't matter if you were 1.6 inches closer to the ground when you drive through a 3 foot deep puddle.
Old 03-30-2005 | 06:28 PM
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just so everyone knows, you can run water (small amounts) though a running engine without the risk of complications. the white smoke described in one of the replies, is steam. this is actually an old trick that some people use to "steam clean" the inside on an engine. with the motor running, you can introduce a small, steady supply of water, while using the throttle linkake to keep the car from stalling. the steam "is said" to help remove carbon build up on pistons, cylinders, and valves. weather it makes any vast improvements, is beyond me, but it does not cause harm.
Old 03-30-2005 | 07:42 PM
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Ya, it's pretty simple: as long as there's enough air for the pistons to compress, you won't kill the engine. The more water you're taking in, the harder it gets for the engine to turn over since water is many times harder to compress than air. I don't know precisely how much water is too much though.
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How did you drive thru a puddle that deep?
Old 03-30-2005 | 08:08 PM
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Sorry to hear about the unfortunate accident. the vq35 swap isnt an easy drop in and done if you dont mind trouble shooting and having the max down for a bit while you figure out problems/issues then maaaan drop the vq35 in and enjoy some massive power.

If no then just get a nice low milage block and replace it, change timing chain tensioner before you drop the block in, get it nice a clean and enjoy a new low milage.
Old 03-31-2005 | 11:39 AM
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the only problem i see is that ya it does sit low the intake but the plastic gaurd under neath doesnt stay flush onto the car if that was true that could help out but getting into a puddle that big doesnt matter what kind of stuff you have under there you can have a 2inch drop and never let that happen only have to becareful where your driving or witch too short ram( what exactly is the differnce between them anyway) i have seen them both on ebay
Old 03-31-2005 | 06:37 PM
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my car stalls everytime i go through a puddle but it's because the water in the filter is not letting air into the engine...either take off the filter and remove the water or u can start your car and rev low in neutral and slowly rev it up...the car will keep stalling but keep starting the car. The reason i say take it up slowly is because u don't want to suck too much water in to your engine, but a little water wont hurt because the high temps of the IM with cause the water to evap anyways before it reaches your cylinders. just my two cents from what i've experienced
Old 03-31-2005 | 06:44 PM
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Hows the car? This happened to me last year, I went through an intersection where water had built up a bit. Sucked up the water and my car shut down on me and rolled in the middle of the intersection just as the light turned red. Luckily several people got out of their cars and helped me push her to a clearing. I cranked her a couple times and heard a litlle bit more water getting sucked in and saw a little of the steam coming up. After a couple of turnes of the key she finally started back up. I was freaked out since I still owed the bank about 6gs on her. Slowley drove home and she felt a bit sluggish. After the rain stopped I checked her out, changed the oil, and all has been well. If not for the memories I cannot tell it happened, she is still rolling like new. I cannot think of the filter brand I have but I was worried with all the rain San Antonio has had so I got a filter that had an extra rain gaurd cover over it as well. Cant tell you what brand it was at the moment cause I am in Iraq and my baby is in storage though. But, heres hoping for the best for you.
Old 03-31-2005 | 08:28 PM
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Drain all engine fluids, yank the plugs. Let it sit for a few days. Fill fluids back up, add new plugs, and you should be set.

Guy flooded a Prelude out, and the insurance company junked it. Guy I knew bought it off him, did what I just said, and it still runs to this day.
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