Valve Cover gasket replacement question.
06-01-2005, 12:43 PM
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Valve Cover gasket replacement question.
Im about to replace my valve/rocker cover gaskets... However, I noticed in the FSM that there is more than one gasket. Other than the perimeter/main gasket, there are also 3 'ring' gaskets that seal around where the spark plug holes are.
Do these need to be replaced? Because i only purchased the larger perimeter gasket from the dealer.
Has anyone done this?
Do these need to be replaced? Because i only purchased the larger perimeter gasket from the dealer.
Has anyone done this?
06-01-2005, 12:48 PM
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I'll jump in for the ride. I just posted this last night:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=407617
Why are you replacing your gasket? I need to replace the o-rings (spark plug tube seals) because I am getting oil seepage into cylinder #5s spark plug chamber. If you have everything open, I would recommend replacing these seals while you are in there - since they are prone to leak. I am also going to replace the grommets/washers that are on each cover bolt (10 per cover).
Are you doing the front or the rear valve cover?
Hopefully we can help each other!
Btw, I ordered the entire gasket kit (includes everything for the front and rear, main gasket, tube seals and grommets) from rockauto.com - 50 bucks shipped for the works. You might want to do that instead - buying piecemeal from the dealer works out to be 90-100 bucks per valve cover. Since I am doing the rear and need to pull the plenum, I'm going to replace that gasket too - its only a few bucks.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=407617
Why are you replacing your gasket? I need to replace the o-rings (spark plug tube seals) because I am getting oil seepage into cylinder #5s spark plug chamber. If you have everything open, I would recommend replacing these seals while you are in there - since they are prone to leak. I am also going to replace the grommets/washers that are on each cover bolt (10 per cover).
Are you doing the front or the rear valve cover?
Hopefully we can help each other!
Btw, I ordered the entire gasket kit (includes everything for the front and rear, main gasket, tube seals and grommets) from rockauto.com - 50 bucks shipped for the works. You might want to do that instead - buying piecemeal from the dealer works out to be 90-100 bucks per valve cover. Since I am doing the rear and need to pull the plenum, I'm going to replace that gasket too - its only a few bucks.
06-01-2005, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Fck, I only purchased the big ones too. Ehh, I will clean up the ring gaskets and reuse them 
06-01-2005, 01:03 PM
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06-01-2005, 01:06 PM
#9
Yup - those are the spark plug tube seals...
I don't know if its absolutely necessary, but there are washers/grommets that are on each bolt - you may want to buy those and replace them too (cheap):
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...IengineID=2884
I just bought the FEL-PRO kit that includes everything:
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...IengineID=2884
I don't know if its absolutely necessary, but there are washers/grommets that are on each bolt - you may want to buy those and replace them too (cheap):
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...IengineID=2884
I just bought the FEL-PRO kit that includes everything:
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...IengineID=2884
06-01-2005, 01:07 PM
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Btw, can anyone make sense of the FSMs picture showing exactly where to apply the sealant. It looks like its only pointing to two specific areas.. I can't tell if the sealent goes around the whole cover and the heads or what... I would hate to put it all back together and have a new leak... aagh!
06-01-2005, 01:13 PM
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http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=803&ptset=A
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
06-01-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
I'll jump in for the ride. I just posted this last night:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=407617
Why are you replacing your gasket? I need to replace the o-rings (spark plug tube seals) because I am getting oil seepage into cylinder #5s spark plug chamber. If you have everything open, I would recommend replacing these seals while you are in there - since they are prone to leak. I am also going to replace the grommets/washers that are on each cover bolt (10 per cover).
Are you doing the front or the rear valve cover?
Hopefully we can help each other!
Btw, I ordered the entire gasket kit (includes everything for the front and rear, main gasket, tube seals and grommets) from rockauto.com - 50 bucks shipped for the works. You might want to do that instead - buying piecemeal from the dealer works out to be 90-100 bucks per valve cover. Since I am doing the rear and need to pull the plenum, I'm going to replace that gasket too - its only a few bucks.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=407617
Why are you replacing your gasket? I need to replace the o-rings (spark plug tube seals) because I am getting oil seepage into cylinder #5s spark plug chamber. If you have everything open, I would recommend replacing these seals while you are in there - since they are prone to leak. I am also going to replace the grommets/washers that are on each cover bolt (10 per cover).
Are you doing the front or the rear valve cover?
Hopefully we can help each other!
Btw, I ordered the entire gasket kit (includes everything for the front and rear, main gasket, tube seals and grommets) from rockauto.com - 50 bucks shipped for the works. You might want to do that instead - buying piecemeal from the dealer works out to be 90-100 bucks per valve cover. Since I am doing the rear and need to pull the plenum, I'm going to replace that gasket too - its only a few bucks.
Hehe, i just replied to the last post in your thread. (Didnt realize it was you)
I need to replace my gaskets for BOTH covers- because im getting leaks... Everywhere!
Yes intake plenum gasket replacement is also necessary when replacing the rear/RH rocker cover gasket (obviously b/c you will need to remove the manifold to remove the rocker cover)
Furthermore, Im going to eventually replace, the liquid gaskets, for both my oil pans (upper and lower) and also my water pump gasket and MAYBE my rear main seal.
The leaks arent bad, there are alot of them, but they arent bad. Im not losing anything but maybe 1/4 of a quart every 3000 miles. I want to use synthetic oil, and i dont want to use synthetic when i got leaks!
BTW, I'd rather not go with gaskets other than Nissan OEM parts.... just my preference...
I have 138,000 miles on my MAX.
06-01-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Acutally Nissan ones are the bad ones since they are the ones leaking 
I know not the best train of thought, but it is very true sometimes. Such as teh oil pressure switch.
I know not the best train of thought, but it is very true sometimes. Such as teh oil pressure switch.
06-01-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=803&ptset=A
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
06-01-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=803&ptset=A
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
I will buy it in town from there.
Also I have some fairly new grommets off a 5th gen that I can use
What Pagein hte FSM
06-01-2005, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
Kevlo, They lasted my 130K miles. I dont think they're THAT bad.
actually I ended up buying the FEL-PRO kit because I read a lot of good things about their gaskets... I debated a lot between OEM vs. aftermarket... cost is 1/2 too - the full kit with OEM pieces prices at 60 bucks per valve cover, so thats $120 for both. I got the FEL-PRO kit for 50 bucks that includes everything for both covers... hopefully I won't be disappointed.
06-01-2005, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
Btw, can anyone make sense of the FSMs picture showing exactly where to apply the sealant. It looks like its only pointing to two specific areas.. I can't tell if the sealent goes around the whole cover and the heads or what... I would hate to put it all back together and have a new leak... aagh!
The picture is showing the covers from the underside. (They're flipped over)
06-01-2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
It is indeed pointing to only 2 locations. You can get a better picture if you look in the timing chain removal secion, page: EM-18 (thats from MY 97 FSM, not sure if it would be the same page for yours)
The picture is showing the covers from the underside. (They're flipped over)
The picture is showing the covers from the underside. (They're flipped over)
Thanks! Now I'm ready! 
Any other tricks we need to be aware of? I assume the tube seals just get "pushed/compressed" against the top of the valve cover after sliding over the plug tubes... is there something that holds them in place while you line up the cover? or should I slide them over the plug tubes instead and put the cover over them... I'm a
I know. I just don't want any new leaks... I've never even pull the IM before - so this is a big job for me!
06-01-2005, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Partnumber please 
The washers for the bolts are a number 13268-31U01.
I'm useful once in a while 
06-01-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
actually I ended up buying the FEL-PRO kit because I read a lot of good things about their gaskets... I debated a lot between OEM vs. aftermarket... cost is 1/2 too - the full kit with OEM pieces prices at 60 bucks per valve cover, so thats $120 for both. I got the FEL-PRO kit for 50 bucks that includes everything for both covers... hopefully I won't be disappointed.
06-01-2005, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
I guess i can understand... But since i know that my original ones, from 1997, lasterd 8 yrs and approx 130k miles. Im gonna stick to what i KNOW works.
I use OEM for virtually everything (even belts)...
06-01-2005, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Ya, it is only pointing to 2 locations, what kind of liquid gasket do I buy?
In case you're interested, its called
1207C Silicone Gasket
Part #: 999MP-A7007
I believe however that you can just use any HI-temp RTV silicone gasket sealant.
06-01-2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
Now you're making me second guess my decision on going with aftermarket... aaagh!... I use OEM for virtually everything (even belts)...
I use OEM for virtually everything (even belts)...
06-01-2005, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
haha, im sorry pal... If i were you i'd stick with them. im sure they'll last at least 50k
we can have a head-to-head gasket comparo... haha.. I'll mark the mileage and you mark yours and kevlo can mark his and we'll see who gets the first leak 
06-01-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
I bought OEM RTV silicone gasket sealant from dealer, it was approx $16.
In case you're interested, its called
1207C Silicone Gasket
Part #: 999MP-A7007
I believe however that you can just use any HI-temp RTV silicone gasket sealant.
In case you're interested, its called
1207C Silicone Gasket
Part #: 999MP-A7007
I believe however that you can just use any HI-temp RTV silicone gasket sealant.
for the actual gaskets, I'll probably pick up some permatex or loctite hi-temp silicon RTV from the local auto store too... Something like: http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=22072
06-01-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
HAHA! btw, im not starting min till maybe tomorrow or next week. so be sure to take pics and notes for me! if you dont mind! (I always take pics and notes when i work on my car, just for future reference, it REALLY helps)
I will definitely take pics along the way...
06-01-2005, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
Ok - now here is a serious OEM parts disciple! Since I've already gone to the dark side for the actual gaskets, I'll probably pick up some permatex or loctite hi-temp silicon RTV from the local auto store too...
Something like: http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=22072
for the actual gaskets, I'll probably pick up some permatex or loctite hi-temp silicon RTV from the local auto store too... Something like: http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=22072
06-01-2005, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
Ok - now here is a serious OEM parts disciple! Since I've already gone to the dark side for the actual gaskets, I'll probably pick up some permatex or loctite hi-temp silicon RTV from the local auto store too...
Something like: http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=22072
for the actual gaskets, I'll probably pick up some permatex or loctite hi-temp silicon RTV from the local auto store too... Something like: http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=22072
http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=82194
06-01-2005, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
So, it will go -
Head-Vavlecovergasket-RTV/Permantex sealent on specified location///vavlecover
Head-Vavlecovergasket-RTV/Permantex sealent on specified location///vavlecover
1. Apply sealant to the valve cover as specified
2. Secure gasket into cover - let the sealant set - this helps hold the gasket in place while you are lining it up over the head.
2b. I'm not sure whats keeping the spark plug tube seals from falling out yet... hopefully it will be more clear once I get in there to do this... or I'll just wait for you both to figure it out and follow your nice how-to with pictures and a step-by-step video...
3. Put cover/gasket onto head
4. Tighten in order stated in FSM
06-01-2005, 02:11 PM
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There's a sealant in most auto stores called "GREAT STUFF" it really is great.
I used to have to change valve cover gaskets twice a year in my car. They'd always leak.
Its been 2 years now and no more gasket changes. It comes in a can and it dries absolutely flawlessly if you have nicks or pits on the surfaces.
I recommend this over any valve cover gasket
I used to have to change valve cover gaskets twice a year in my car. They'd always leak.
Its been 2 years now and no more gasket changes. It comes in a can and it dries absolutely flawlessly if you have nicks or pits on the surfaces.
I recommend this over any valve cover gasket
06-02-2005, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Chickan
Pulled my plugs the other day and noticed two had small pools of oil in them (not in cylinder, above the plug). Sounds like spark tube seals. Called the local dealer $5.60 a pop for them.
06-02-2005, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by njmodi
Just called permatex out of curiosity (since they have various hi-temp silicon RTVs)... the tech guy recommended this one instead:
http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=82194
http://permatex.com/auto/autouh.asp?...&item_no=82194
nj, did he say why? the black one seems just fine IMO? you think you can find out? thanks.
06-02-2005, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eturnl
nj, did he say why? the black one seems just fine IMO? you think you can find out? thanks.