WHY AM I GETTING BEES IN A CAN!????!!!


nobody else is...so please help...it sounds very raspy like motorvates car...gross...

 

sounds like you got what you paid for

 

nobody else? only 2 people have probably bought this pipe...and you were one of them. shouldve bought a budget ypipe

 

yeah and the other buyers dont have the bees in a can sound...i dunno why you guys are saying "you get what you paid for" and stuff like that....because that really isnt gonna help any...there atleast eleven for sale also...and they sold on..not two...BUT ELEVEN!nobody else got bees in can...so the next time you wanna flame someone make sure your resources are creditable...none of those "probably" and should've stuff around here.....geeze...some poeple in this org can't seem to be nice...its not like i made a poor decision...nobody else have tried buying the ypipe...except the few that did...we didnt make any poor decisions...cause the ypipe is worth+ we got it a discounted price..

...i asked for help...not to be flamed...

 

oh yeah...if there were two other people happy with the install...here they are...first one is GSMITH795 and the second is DJ-Rip

just picked up my car from Meineke after having my Topspeed ypipe installed... and all I can say is: WOW! I never expected to feel this much of a difference. Throttle response is amazing and I can really feel my car accelerate more quickly. I know many people say you can't notice a sound difference with a new ypipe but on my way home i had the window rolled down and shut the radio off and i can definitely hear a little bit of a growl coming from under the car. Not much, but its there At WOT I the car moves throuh the RPM's more smoothly and the engine seems to be doing less work. At lower speeds I am at fewer RPM's than at the same speeds with the stock ypipe. If anyone wants pics let me know. I hope this little summary can assist in supporting dr-rjp's claims and people will stop flaming this new ypipe.


Thanks, anj109. Here was my original thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=404028

You can get my impressions from there...and you can see how badly I got flamed for not having "hard data" on what it can do.

I really do not notice any increase in noise, and as I mentioned, it actually rides quieter when accelerating from 20mph-60mph than it did before the install. There is a slightly deeper sound under 20mph when running in 4th.

One thing I noticed straightaway after the install was a lot more wheel spin on takeoff. Sort of a "Good News-Bad News" scenario since it indicates a gain in torque, but a loss in terms of takeoffs since wheel spin costs you in ET's.

Overall, the engine is working less hard; i.e., fewer rpms are needed to produce the same speeds as before.

Throttle response is a lot better...but here again, it's a two-edged sword since my auto tranny wants to kick it into 2nd instead of 3rd with very little pedal pressure.

Bottom line is that I have had to relearn my gas pedal modulations in order to shift the way I want it to.

Not a big deal, though.

The fitment wsas not a problem -- it bolted right onto the stock cat. However, it did require a little trimming of the heat shield.

Then, there is the small issue of the 3rd 02 bung hole. I plugged mine with a 1/2" x 18mm bolt that I got from my local auto parts store.

 

Who the hell was flaming you? I wasnt.

Use your head though. Find out what other mods people have w/ this no-name Y pipe. Compare your mods to theirs....(exhaust preferebly) - Of course it'll sound different if there are different set ups. Maybe you got a defective one. Who knows.....but posting about 'bees in a can'...theres not much to tell you besides return it and try another one or deal with it.

 

howa re you at lower RPM at higher speeds...idont think thats possible, i think you transmission determines that.

you might hve a defective pipe if your getting bees in a can, maybe an improperly lined flex section. try wrapping the flex with something to muffle the noise.

 

I'm putting mine on today buddy, I'll let you know what sound I get. And there better be no bees or that bish is commin off.

 

I highly doubt there is a noticeable improvement in performance at low RPMs with this y-pipe and the notion that the vehicle is at lower RPMs at the same speed than it was pre-installation is absolutely ludicrous.

 

why would you highly doubt that??who knows what they do...i mean...come on...why does everything have to be negative about something we barely know anything about...


still no answer to my original question....

 

Bees in a can, i heard just wrap the flex section with exhuast tape. the ones that are like aluminum. and i'm glad that you tried this product out, because i was tempted to also. if you didn't want anyone to flame you that you got the top speed. all you had to do was post "i installed my y-pipe but now i'm getting bees in a can, please help" noone would be the wiser that you got a topspeed instead of WarpSpeed, budget, or cattman. because all those have had bees in a can also. Sometimes the product is more expensive because of the quality. hence you get what you paid for. Just as if paying for cheaper versus more expensive tires. My brother's BF-Goodrich KDW are really expensive not only because they grip like crazy, but also the sidewall is very hard. He got a flat and didn't even notice. They were basically runflats. Hence this is why his Volks didn't get ruined and he was able to reuse the tire unlike all the other cheapies

 

see the thing is...this is not a cheap item normally!! it was at a discounted price!

thanks for the answer though...figured out it was a leak...the rear header flanges were loose....

*for future reference guys...support your ypipe with something other than hands when installing to get proper fitment...

anyways i have new problem now....

the bolts on the flanges of the rear header have come out and won't come back in...BIG BIG problem if you ask me cause this crucial for preventing that leak...anyone know how to handle this..i dont want to break those bolts because if i do...i'll be stuck forever with a nasty sounding exhaust...(

 

Sh!tty flex = bees in can.

 

so if i cover the flex...i'd be fine right???



dang...6,450 posts...thats a loooong time!

 

like i said, its a stillen design....... hence the bees noise normally associated with stillens.

 

I have a Warspeed stainless steel y-pipe and mine had the bees in the can. At the time I bought it, it was one of their newer ones that had the better flex section. The only thing is that the bees were alive and well when it was installed. I first wrapped the flex, but then did the whole thing. I was pleased with the reduction in noise after that.

 

as for the bees in the can, let the pipe break in first?!?

for those with the upgraded y pipe i have some qusetions i don't mean to steal threads but i need some help

help me out guys...cause i know that in the pics you'll help!!!!

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=408610

 

what i meant was that since the exhaust gasses flow at a higher speed now, there is less backpreassure, and therefore the engine doesnt work as hard because it can "breathe" better i guess, so before my car might be at 3k rpms in 5th gear at 75mph and now i am at 2.7k rpms in 5th going 75mph, not much but its there, and i actually have noticed slight bees in can but only if i listen closely with my head out the window and rev the engine a little bit, but nothing close to making me dislike the ypipe itself. the other improvements far overshadow the BIC

 

I have to call on that

Gear ratios determing that.

 

I was told by Dallas over at WSP that the pipe does not have a breaking in period (I would assume this to be the same for the other pipes). I asked this when I was dealing with the bees. The header wrap took care of the noise for me.

I just posted a reply in your thread.

 

that doesnt make sense regardless of how you tell it. gear ratios are the determining factor, you make more power at the RPM than before, but you dont change the RPM at a given speed

 

hey nice work, you can repeat what other ppl already said!!

 

yeah i wasn't sure exactly, just kinda of made an educated guess on what was actually happening. maybe i imagined it happening?

 

im the first person who suggested its not possible. way to be owned by the PLACEBO EFFECT.

 

I agree with kevlo.....

cheap product cost = low or no quality control (not all y-pipes are carefully inspected and tested), cheap or low quality flex = bees in the can and who knows what else.

It doesn't change the fact that you do get what you paid for. If a manufacturer truely backs up his claims of good quality and performance, and if the seller is sold on those claims, then the seller wouldn't have to put the products on blow-out just to get rid of them. Would Warpspeed or Cattman put their products on blow-out like that? Perhaps no because they got research and development and hard data to back them up. Thus, we pay for that quality.

BTW, wrapping it will help bees in the can but will give you problems later on. Moisture will get trapped under it and can induce rusting or corrosion.

 

Honestly, that pipe doesn't bother me, I mean if I wanted the best solution for me, I would get that pipe(i hear the filament is good that is why) and I would replace the flex with one I KNOW will not make noise. I have a 2ply flex on my Budget ypipe(I bought the pipe w/ a busted flex) and it makes no noise compared to my buds 00 w/ Warpspeed ypipe and my buds SEL with Warpspeed ypipe.

 

Woah that's cool...NOT HAHAHA I just got a week used Stillen Y-Pipe for around $150 with all gaskets and hardware.

 

cefiro8701, understand that I'm not trying to shoot down that product at all. If any, I criticize the manufacturer and the person trying to sell it in the org. You gotta question a psychology major selling exhaust products online sometimes, but that's just me. Anyone can market a pile of dung and with some good creativity and well-chosen words, they can be successful at it.

kevlo, since you put it that way, I guess $100 for that y-pipe is not a total loss. Change the crappy flex on it and you got a bees-in-the-canless setup. BTW, what is your source for the flex and which one fits the maxima y-pipes?

 

I bought my Flex from ebay, but www.epiflex.com sells them too. Just measure the one that is on there and buy a 2ply or 3ply flex from them. 3ply will be the quietest.

 

If you live in areas with a lot of snow it may not be a good idea. I live in San Diego, but even if I did not, I was tired of the bees and would have done it anyway. Not cool for a Max to sorta sound like an old VW bug
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I did do the Dave B ( http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....light=dave+mod )mod and have been wondering how it would sound without the wrap now. I will take it off and see. I have a whole bunch of wrap left anyway.

 

send that wrap this way bro...i need it...so do i just wrap the flex pipe?can i just use an exhaust wrap...theres a repair kit at kragens...it says its OK for flexes....

 

The stuff you need is called header wrap. I bought mine for around $30 dollars from a guy on Ebay. I think the stuff at Kragens hardens over and is not the same as the header wrap.

I may need the wrap I have left (after I take the old one off and check to see if the Dave B mod helped out, it did help to get rid of the last 2 bees or so that were left after the wrap). If not I would send it to you.

 

thank you...cause right now i have a river under my car at mid throttle...water running sounds relaxing...but i dont want that while im driving...also...yes...it does sound like a bug...or some muscle car...speaking of which..some guy thought i was trying to race him...so i slammed on my gas then on my brake and he zooomed straight through a red light in front of a cop...heheh dumbarse...

 

fixed that leak....no bees....yes.....

 

good work, so you just wrapped the flex section?

 

didnt even have to...no bees at all...it was just the leak....hehe...funny thing is i only have two bolts on my header....but still..its quiet...not much of a sound change...now i cant wait for my knock sensor to come in...