I got BEES with Budget WTH
07-07-2005, 02:49 PM
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I got BEES with Budget WTH
I got a Budget Y pipe and it was fine up until two later when this sorta metallic ringing sound started popping up when I get on the throttle at around 3k and past.
Does exhaust wrap actually help and do I wrap just the flex section? I know exhaust wrap is more likely to retain moisture etc etc but I live in Cali and I figured its a SS pipe. I was really disappointed. I went with Budget because very few people have had problems with them, and I jsut happen to be one of them who did.
Anyway, as for the exhaust wrap, should I do the whole pipe or just the flex section.
Does exhaust wrap actually help and do I wrap just the flex section? I know exhaust wrap is more likely to retain moisture etc etc but I live in Cali and I figured its a SS pipe. I was really disappointed. I went with Budget because very few people have had problems with them, and I jsut happen to be one of them who did.
Anyway, as for the exhaust wrap, should I do the whole pipe or just the flex section.
07-07-2005, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by egxflash
I got a Budget Y pipe and it was fine up until two later when this sorta metallic ringing sound started popping up when I get on the throttle at around 3k and past.
Does exhaust wrap actually help and do I wrap just the flex section? I know exhaust wrap is more likely to retain moisture etc etc but I live in Cali and I figured its a SS pipe. I was really disappointed. I went with Budget because very few people have had problems with them, and I jsut happen to be one of them who did.
Anyway, as for the exhaust wrap, should I do the whole pipe or just the flex section.
Does exhaust wrap actually help and do I wrap just the flex section? I know exhaust wrap is more likely to retain moisture etc etc but I live in Cali and I figured its a SS pipe. I was really disappointed. I went with Budget because very few people have had problems with them, and I jsut happen to be one of them who did.
Anyway, as for the exhaust wrap, should I do the whole pipe or just the flex section.
07-07-2005, 03:14 PM
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hmm...had my budget for 2 yrs and no bees. slight growl at low rpm but thats it.
07-07-2005, 03:17 PM
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when did you get the pipe? seems like there have been a couple of duds in the last few weeks. i'm kinda bummed, because I'd been looking forward to ordering one... now i'm wondering if the extra cost of Cattman is worth it to save some aggravation. 
07-07-2005, 03:29 PM
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Iam kind of in the same boat. I'm about to order a y pipe and i was going to go budget but it seems like a few people have complained about there y pipes in the past few weeks. One guy said he found leaks and a bad o2 sensor bung.
07-07-2005, 03:29 PM
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i got the pipe 2-3 weeks ago. I just noticed that a lot of people have been getting poor quality pipes from Budget recently too, (and i realized that after I got my pipe ack!)
Anyway, the car feels excellent though. You can really feel the power increase in the midrange and boy, DO YOU FEEL IT! Excellent bang for the buck...except of course for that annoying metallic noise.
Cruising around its OK. You cant hear the bees when youre easy on the throttle..but after a certain point at your tip in, that damn noise pops up and its SOOOO noticeable.
Anyway, I seriously want to get rid of it because I get picky with my car like that but I dont really want to spend that much anymore. I figure Ill just wrap it now and when it goes bad, just buy a diff pipe.
Anybody have advice on exhaust wrap?
Anyway, the car feels excellent though. You can really feel the power increase in the midrange and boy, DO YOU FEEL IT! Excellent bang for the buck...except of course for that annoying metallic noise.
Cruising around its OK. You cant hear the bees when youre easy on the throttle..but after a certain point at your tip in, that damn noise pops up and its SOOOO noticeable.
Anyway, I seriously want to get rid of it because I get picky with my car like that but I dont really want to spend that much anymore. I figure Ill just wrap it now and when it goes bad, just buy a diff pipe.
Anybody have advice on exhaust wrap?
07-07-2005, 03:31 PM
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Did you install it? There should be no bees in the can. I certainly haven't had any in the 13 months I've had my stainless steel Budget y-pipe. Avoid the exhaust wrap. It's primarily application is to wrap racing headers and I've been told to avoid it by two racing shops as far as a daily driver is concerned..
07-07-2005, 03:34 PM
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Also do you have a stock airbox and stock air filter or some other contraption. If its not the stock airbox perhaps the intake, popcharger or whatever is part of the problem.
All I have is a K&N panel filter with my Budget y and there is absolutely no sound difference at idle or when cruising, just a bit of a growl at WOT and I had that with the K&N panel filter before I had the Budget y installed a few weeks later.
I would blame the problem on installation or an intake or a combination thereof. Were there any noticeable defects in the Budget y prior to its installation, eg cracks, fault welds?
All I have is a K&N panel filter with my Budget y and there is absolutely no sound difference at idle or when cruising, just a bit of a growl at WOT and I had that with the K&N panel filter before I had the Budget y installed a few weeks later.
I would blame the problem on installation or an intake or a combination thereof. Were there any noticeable defects in the Budget y prior to its installation, eg cracks, fault welds?
07-07-2005, 03:41 PM
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what about warpspeed i know this has been brought up plenty of times before but i just would like to hear a few pros and cons of the warpspeed pipes. Just the regular one not the superflex joint one.
07-07-2005, 03:44 PM
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I run the stock airbox, with the silencer box (at the bottom of the snorkel) removed and plugged up. After I did this (i didnt have the y pipe at this point) there was a tiny bit more growl but sounded rather stock.
Anyway, after the Y pipe install, the car sounded great. The car sounded like it was SUCKING a ton of air in. Like a friggen vacuum....and I stress this, because the car sounded awesome. Other than that, theres that rasp at idle and low rpms and no bees. The next day or two, the problem popped up again. I already tried everything. I ran it without the cat converter shield, without the hanger bracket (i thought those might have been rattling) but the bees was still there.
And yes, I replaced the crush rings when i took it off and fiddled with it...the cat to y pipe gasket from Budget was still fine so i lay off of it.
Anyway, the thing has been put in more than once already and I gotta tell you, I made sure that every nut and bolt went into the right place because I didnt want to have to take off again cuz its a hassle.
Anyway, after the Y pipe install, the car sounded great. The car sounded like it was SUCKING a ton of air in. Like a friggen vacuum....and I stress this, because the car sounded awesome. Other than that, theres that rasp at idle and low rpms and no bees. The next day or two, the problem popped up again. I already tried everything. I ran it without the cat converter shield, without the hanger bracket (i thought those might have been rattling) but the bees was still there.
And yes, I replaced the crush rings when i took it off and fiddled with it...the cat to y pipe gasket from Budget was still fine so i lay off of it.
Anyway, the thing has been put in more than once already and I gotta tell you, I made sure that every nut and bolt went into the right place because I didnt want to have to take off again cuz its a hassle.
07-07-2005, 03:44 PM
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oh and PS.. Only other thing is that I have K&N air filter.
07-07-2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by egxflash
I got a Budget Y pipe and it was fine up until two later when this sorta metallic ringing sound started popping up when I get on the throttle at around 3k and past.
I thought it might have been banging against the center underbody beam. But the problem actually went away by itself after a couple weeks, and it's been noise-free for 6+ months now.
07-07-2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ewuzh
I had this EXACT noise for the first week or so after I installed my Warpspeed Y-pipe. Metallic ringing around 3-4k at WOT.
I thought it might have been banging against the center underbody beam. But the problem actually went away by itself after a couple weeks, and it's been noise-free for 6+ months now.
I thought it might have been banging against the center underbody beam. But the problem actually went away by itself after a couple weeks, and it's been noise-free for 6+ months now.
That's great news Eric. I really do hope thats the case.
07-07-2005, 04:04 PM
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a tiny exaust leak would make the "bees in the can" sound too.
07-07-2005, 04:07 PM
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bees in the can? i have budget, and i can hear a sound, but i like it, im not sure if that is the bees in the can sound, i have no complaints about it. My car sounds good so i dont know if im having that problem or not.
07-07-2005, 04:12 PM
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I highly doubt its an air leak since the sound is non existent except for at those rpms WHEN the throttle is past a certain point. If Im almost just feathering the gas, theres no noise.
07-07-2005, 04:16 PM
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Whatever you do don't wrap it. I had a perfectly sounding exhaust and I wrapped my flex section. Now I took the wrap off and it sounds like poo. The wrap kind of rusted the flex and now there's tiny pinholes in it.
07-07-2005, 04:21 PM
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Warp speed is only found on ebay right?
07-07-2005, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 90stanza
Warp speed is only found on ebay right?
call them
tell them your from the .org and you'll get the alum mandrel bent pipe for 160 shipped
07-07-2005, 04:35 PM
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my sounds great, i got my budget like 4 months ago. They said something like it was one of the last one before they had to make another set. The welds were not great, same with the b pipe but it sounds great.
07-07-2005, 04:53 PM
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im just hope it ends up being the same thing as it was in Ewuzh's car. Hopefully the sound just goes away cuz im running out of optionsa
07-07-2005, 06:06 PM
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a tiny exaust leak would make the "bees in the can" sound too.
07-07-2005, 06:28 PM
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This "bees in a can" sound, does it sound like a heat shield vibrating?
07-07-2005, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximus_95
bees in the can? i have budget, and i can hear a sound, but i like it, im not sure if that is the bees in the can sound, i have no complaints about it. My car sounds good so i dont know if im having that problem or not.
i have that too. but i don't think that it is BITC either. just the raspyness of the engine becoming more apparent. although i have never heard an exhaust with bee-in-the-can so i don't have anything to compare it to. does anyone have a clip that has really evident BITC noise? i'd just be curious to hear what it sounds like.
thanks
07-07-2005, 07:45 PM
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Yea, Stillen cost big bucks and I guess I got bees in a can...
07-07-2005, 08:16 PM
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I have a recording of it on video. But I want to make sure it is the correct noise. Someone needs to verify if the bees in a can sounds like a heat shield vibrating a little bit...
07-07-2005, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized Jiggs
Can any one actually maybe record this noise, I am just curious what it sounds like. Is it that bad or can you deal with it.
YA i wanna know what it sounds like aswell....i was also interested in budget a long time ago...like in the winter...but then i also wanted to get a system...and thats what i got...
so....stay away from WSP theyll get BITC in a few weeks
and cattman i think nobody has had problems with but its like 300 bucks...i guess i have no choice then....
07-07-2005, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Maxima
This "bees in a can" sound, does it sound like a heat shield vibrating?
07-07-2005, 09:44 PM
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the bees in a can sound is what almost every freaking honda sounds like. that "improved flow" by removing the entire exhaust. the annoying "bwaaaaahhhh" sound I hate. Personally I like the muffled sound catalytic converters give. If I could make my max sound like a G35 or a 350z I would be in heaven. But having half a liter less and the absence of variable intake I don't think I'll ever get that sound.
07-07-2005, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zander
the bees in a can sound is what almost every freaking honda sounds like. that "improved flow" by removing the entire exhaust. the annoying "bwaaaaahhhh" sound I hate. Personally I like the muffled sound catalytic converters give. If I could make my max sound like a G35 or a 350z I would be in heaven. But having half a liter less and the absence of variable intake I don't think I'll ever get that sound.
like ive previously stated, its not a "bwaaaah" sound. It's a slight metallic ringing noise that crops up at half throttle to WOT around 3-5k.
07-07-2005, 09:52 PM
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I think our bwahh sounds are different. I'm pretty sure I know the sound though. Its kinda high pitched? I got that sound in my jetta when I got a header that eliminated the cat, horribly annoying. But maybe the sound I'm thinking of is totally different.
07-08-2005, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by zander
the bees in a can sound is what almost every freaking honda sounds like. that "improved flow" by removing the entire exhaust. the annoying "bwaaaaahhhh" sound I hate. Personally I like the muffled sound catalytic converters give. If I could make my max sound like a G35 or a 350z I would be in heaven. But having half a liter less and the absence of variable intake I don't think I'll ever get that sound.
07-08-2005, 08:48 AM
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OK so "bees in a can" is not a heat shield rattling sound? Because I hear a noise that sounds exactly like 3 bees in a coffee can buzzing around. Sounds like a headshield or something. To me a loud, obnoxious noise doesn't sound like bees.
07-08-2005, 09:53 AM
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I got & installed an aluminzed budget y about a month ago, no bees. however, now with custom non-resonated 2.5" b-pipe, i get some "rasp" when off the throttle after a run up to 4-5k or between shifts when driving spiritedly. I don't think its BITC though, and i kind of like it.