deezo

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First I'm going to say, slow your roll with the attitude or else your outta here for good.

Second, like I said, I have the Motivational Mounts and H&R springs and the mounts didn't make them sag. Plus, how does a mount with the same mounting height make a car sit lower than the stock mounts?

DanNY

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how about i bet 100K that you'll be banned within 24 hours? c'mon it's only 100K...i know you have it big baller.

Fulltone74

Hi all:

I started a thread a few days ago about the mounts. Maybe i am "that other guy" who is referred to earlier in this thread.

I looked at my original thread a few days ago, and it seemed it was getting into a flamewar, like this one is.

As for my previous thead, I don't believe I said my ride was "better" WITHOUT the mounts. It is "smoother" with Ben's mounts, but I simply ended up preferring the responsiveness of my particular car without the mounts, even if the ride stiffened up somewhat.

What is "better" or "worse" is all subjective to each driver.

Maybe certain spring/shock/shock-adjustment combinations don't sag as much or at all with the modified mounts. If other people have a different experience from mine, I can accept that -- and I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone.

And like I said in my earlier thread, I think the modified mounts would be a good choice for aggressively lowered cars. Any ride-height or sagging argument becomes a moot point for people with coilovers.

I don't see why some people are going ballistic and losing their heads over this matter. It is just like any other product on the market. Some like it and others don't.

njmaxseltd

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Actually Ben's mounting plate is a touch thicker then the stock mounts. Plus it's flat, not curved inwards like the stock mounts. Therefore, if the OEM rubber spring seat is used which sits on top of the mount, not in the slightly camfered (sp?) grove which is in the OEM mount, then the rear actually raises about 1/32 of an inch.

Common sense people, put the two mounts with the rubber seats on them side by side on a tabe and you'll see for yourself. It's impossible for the mount to cause a lower ride height. If anything it could raise it by a couple of milimeters.

My set up, (sig pic) H&R springs with Motivational rear mounts. If you look at the wheel well gaps, there even, but if you measure from the rocker to the street you'll find the car actually sits slightly raked down twards the front. Stop measuring your wheel well gaps and look at the rocker to the street distance. I'm sure you'll find the car sits level however the wheel well gaps make the appearance of a rear sag. Our cars have larger front wheel to fender clearances by design up front so the wheel doesn't hit the fender when it's turned and the suspension is fully compressed.

I don't like the design of Ben's mounts, they have no support for side to side movement of the rubber spring seat which could cause the spring to shift. The Motivational mounts have groves that hold the rubber spring seat and spring in place. Neither mount can cause a noticable change in the ride height of the vehicle, they only change the shock piston mounting location.

mzmtg

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Cutler

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You sir are a tard

95maxrider

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Thank you for clearing that up in a mature manner. And thanks to Tom for clearing it up even further. Ben, do you have anything to add

mzmtg

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I'll add the following:

The mounts DO NOT change ride height with regular springs.

I've never heard of anyone having problems with the springs drifting off-center.

Most noise issues are easily fixed with careful installation.

Also, there's probably another group buy with a price break coming up...

deezo

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On that note, thread closed and idiots will get time off.