4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999) Visit the 4th Generation forum to ask specific questions or find out more about the 4th Generation Maxima.

Axles - LSD vs. non-LSD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 10:37 AM
  #1  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Axles - LSD vs. non-LSD

I just had a wheel bearing replaced, and while the mechanic was under the car he noticed that my driver's side axle was too long, which is causing the inner CV joint to bind. I got both front axles from O'Reilly's and I guess they gave me axles for the wrong differential, seems like mine is one of the rare locking differentials.

Is this correct information - would a driver's-side LSD axle in a non-LSD manual tranny be too long? Also, it seems like the passenger-side axle is fine, just the driver's side is bad. Will the passenger side LSD axle in a non-LSD tranny be fine?
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:01 AM
  #2  
MaximaSE96's Avatar
Maxima Owner
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,036
ummmmm.....did u get ur car form canada ir swap an I30 tranny in it
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:07 AM
  #3  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
ummmmm.....did u get ur car form canada ir swap an I30 tranny in it
No, why do you ask?
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:13 AM
  #4  
Akumachan's Avatar
I never narc'd on nobody.
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 956
Only some canadian max's and i30t's have limited slip differentials, so either your mechanic is wrong or a previous owner did the swap.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:33 AM
  #5  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Originally Posted by Akumachan
Only some canadian max's and i30t's have limited slip differentials, so either your mechanic is wrong or a previous owner did the swap.
My mechanic is saying that I DO NOT have a limited slip differential. O'Reilly's apparently gave me the LSD axle, which they said is the most common and assumed that I had a LSD. I didn't know the LSD was Canadian only.

I did buy the car used ... is there a way to check for the LSD, i.e. turn the wheels when the car is on jackstands?

I'm planning to go to O'Reilly's tonight and have them exchange the supposed-LSD axle they gave me for a non-LSD version. From what you guys are saying, this should be correct?
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:34 AM
  #6  
MaximaSE96's Avatar
Maxima Owner
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,036
Originally Posted by Akumachan
Only some canadian max's and i30t's have limited slip differentials, so either your mechanic is wrong or a previous owner did the swap.

exactly......or maybe its an axle for LSD in the NON-LSD tranny
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:53 AM
  #7  
Nealoc187's Avatar
SLOW
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 14,617
From: West burbs, Chicago
LSD and non LSD axles are the exact same length - I've measured them. I don't know what would happen if you tried to put an LSD axle in a non LSD trans though, the splines are different on the very end (there is a smaller set of splines, which meshes into the viscous coupling in the very middle of the differential, which is absent in a NON LSD trans), but the larger set which would be actually meshing into the differential might have something different about it that would cause it to stick out further. I will go look later I have both types of axle out in the garage.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:57 AM
  #8  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
exactly......or maybe its an axle for LSD in the NON-LSD tranny
That's exactly what I think it is, sorry if the first post wasn't clear on that. I think the tranny is NON-LSD (and that's supported if no US max's came with them), and that O'Reilly's gave me the LSD axle by mistake.

I just wonder why would O'Reilly's tell me that the LSD verson is the most common?
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:00 PM
  #9  
MaximaSE96's Avatar
Maxima Owner
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,036
maybe people put LSDs in their car and order axles form them alot when they do it
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:02 PM
  #10  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
LSD and non LSD axles are the exact same length - I've measured them. I don't know what would happen if you tried to put an LSD axle in a non LSD trans though, the splines are different on the very end (there is a smaller set of splines, which meshes into the viscous coupling in the very middle of the differential, which is absent in a NON LSD trans), but the larger set which would be actually meshing into the differential might have something different about it that would cause it to stick out further. I will go look later I have both types of axle out in the garage.
If you don't mind please let us know what you find, I'm very interested now. It makes sense that they would be the same length, but perhaps the different splines on the LSD end are preventing the axle from fully fitting into the non-LSD tranny (even if the outer splines do mesh)? If so that would prevent enough lenth of the axle from entering the tranny, and I could see this causing the inner CV to bind.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:15 PM
  #11  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
maybe people put LSDs in their car and order axles form them alot when they do it
It's possible. Or it could be O'Reilly's just had their heads up their asses on this one, who knows?
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 02:43 PM
  #12  
Nealoc187's Avatar
SLOW
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 14,617
From: West burbs, Chicago
Here are the pics, the top axle is the LSD axle, the bottom axle is NON LSD/open diff. The outer splines (splines furthest to the right in the pic) are the same diameter. As you can see the inner CV has a different setup. The overall length of the axles are the same. I don't know what actually "stops" the axle from going "in" too far into the transmission, which surface it is that stops it. I can TRY tomorrow when I'm down at the shop to remember to take both axles with me to the shop. I've got a disassembled open diff trans down there. Being as it's out of the car, if I can quickly reassemble the diff section and bolt the case together, I may be able to test fit both axles into the open diff trans, and see if I can figure out which part of the axle actually acts as the "stop" and see if perhaps the LSD axle is able to slide further into the trans than it should, meaning the inner CV might "stretch" out which could cause binding. This all depends on how busy I am down there tomorrow though, and whether or not the owner will let me mess around off the clock after I'm supposed to leave, etc.





Old Jan 10, 2006 | 08:23 PM
  #13  
Black Max's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 56
I pulled the axle tonight, and it's actually the correct non-LSD axle.

I think the mechanic just saw that the inner boot was "scrunched" up (as seen in the top left boot in the first picture that nealoc187 posted) and thought that it was binding.

Thanks for posting the pics, that really did help verify which axle I was looking at.
Old Jan 10, 2006 | 08:44 PM
  #14  
i30ds's Avatar
Armed and Dangerous
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,412
From: Denver, CO
All this due to another mechanic being .
Old Jan 11, 2006 | 04:28 AM
  #15  
MaximaSE96's Avatar
Maxima Owner
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,036
i suggest switching mechanics
Old Jan 11, 2006 | 07:30 AM
  #16  
MDeezy's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 33,701
From: Atlanta
slap that mechanic . . .jeez
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
boomerbrian
5th Generation Maxima (2000-2003)
6
Oct 31, 2018 10:25 AM
RealityCheck
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
7
Oct 2, 2015 06:34 PM
The Wizard
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
24
Oct 1, 2015 08:47 PM
followthadollar
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
4
Sep 17, 2015 06:31 PM
FanaticMadMax
5th Generation Maxima (2000-2003)
1
Sep 4, 2015 02:45 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:38 AM.