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Old 01-12-2006 | 09:23 PM
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What were the opinions on the WSP Super-Flo Y-Pipe?

I never paid too much attention to the various Y-pipe threads that I've passed over in the year or so I've been on this forum, because I had always thought I would buy brand new from Budget/LSS exhaust, and therefore can't remember anything about WSP's Super-Flo Y-pipe (which I don't even know if they make anymore). Now I've gotten in the habit for searching for used parts, and need to know what the problems were with the Super-Flo's. I've spent the last hour almost trying to find the various threads, but haven't been successful: I've only found a few that aren't answering the questions I have.
Basically, the Super-Flo uses an un-flexible flex section, rather than their weaved flex on the normal Y's. IIRC, someone made a comment about how it would be bad to have no flex section at all on the exhaust, and have it be stiff. Can anyone comment on this?
Besides one review which noted a leaky pipe, I haven't seen much debate on this ypipe. The only thing I remember is one guy buying a faulty one (he was one of the first to buy the new design), and he ended up fixing it himself.
If anyone can help me out, I'd appreciate it. My OEM Y is driving me crazy since the flex is shot and I have that awful drone.
Old 01-12-2006 | 09:36 PM
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I remember reading somwhere about "Bees in a can" Making a strong presence in the Super-Flo....but im not even sure they make them anymore. Budget=Better and probably cheaper....
Old 01-12-2006 | 09:41 PM
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That's the thing - I found a used Super-Flo that I can probably pick up pretty cheap as long as the owner is realistic, but any amount of money spent on a leaky, poorly built y-pipe is too much, which is why I humbled myself to post a y-pipe thread...
Old 01-12-2006 | 09:44 PM
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both enjoyincubus and I had the Superflo and had nothing but problems w/ it. I wouldnt recommend it.
Old 01-12-2006 | 09:55 PM
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Thanks for the input. What kind of problems did you have? Are they resolved? I remembered people having problems, but never heard anything since.
Old 01-12-2006 | 10:17 PM
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I have also wondered what ever happened to the Super-Flo Y. The design looks solid but that uni-flex doesn't seem to do as good of a job as a regular flex section. The downside to the regular flex section would be that as it ages, the flex would start to collapse in thus progressively restrict flow. This is why buying a used Y-pipe is a waste of money. Sure you can find a new flex section and weld it in place. But by the time everything is all said and done, the money you have spend in it would almost equal the same price for a new Y-pipe. IMO, buy it new. WSP or Budget, it sure beats buying an OEM replacement and you get a nice gain with it.

Also, I don't think the bees-in-the-can sound can totally be eliminated. It depends also on design, ie: equal length of each of the leg in the Y.
Old 01-13-2006 | 08:13 AM
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Well an OEM Y-Pipe should automatically be out of the question, the dealer quoted me at 850 dollars just for the y-pipe, and another 100 to get it put in. I walked on that little encounter.. My WSP aluminized (regular flex) is doing very well, I had it put on near the end of fall, and its held up VERY well over the winter so far. The welds and the flange are rusting, but thats expected. The pipe iself is still in pristine condition. I am completely behind my WSP.
Old 01-13-2006 | 08:52 AM
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Ive had mine on my car for 2 years or so now. No problems and no bees.
Old 01-13-2006 | 09:45 AM
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i had 3 different ones that WSP sent me all of which leaked at the flex section. I was on the phone w/ Dallas almost daily trying to troubleshoot problems and got my 3rd pipe to not leak for about 2 weeks. They need to redesign the gasket at the flex and it would be a great pipe (it was so quiet when it was working for a little while). I finally just got the original pipe from WSP - they were very helpful through all this.
Old 01-13-2006 | 11:02 AM
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Whats the usual instal price for a Y pipe? I need a Cat Back and I got a price of 70 for that. Im thinking about just throwing a Y pipe in there too if it wouldnt jake the price... then tho, it begs the question: DO you wanna replace all that and leave an old catalyic converter on there???? Gah!
Old 01-13-2006 | 11:03 AM
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The y-pipe needs to have some flex in order to absorb the vibration caused by bumps. This is why all exhaust systems hang from rubber hangars insted of it being welded. If the exhaust is too rigid sooner or later the aluminum will flex to the point that it fails.

If we use the OEM gasket wouldn't that help out with the leaks? I'm having the same thing now and thought that tightening it would help. Well it did for the first couple of miles but than it started to leak. Also just a little off topic question, but is anyone having fitmen problems with WS's hangar? I'm only able to fit one hanger.
Old 01-14-2006 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dubbya
Ive had mine on my car for 2 years or so now. No problems and no bees.
Is this the regular flex or the super-flo flex?

What if I can pick up one of these for less than $70? The seller already says I would need to replace that gasket at the flex and says Napa carries them for up to $15. Would replacing this gasket fix the problem, or is there a design flaw in the Super-Flo that makes new gaskets fail prematurely?
Old 01-14-2006 | 10:40 AM
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40K miles on my WSP, no bees, love it.
Old 01-14-2006 | 03:21 PM
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Haha, I remember me and NCSU_MAX unsuccessfully pioneered the super-flo. The part in the super-flo that leaked was a gasket-type peice inside of it. Where the flex section connects to the pipe, before it splits into two to connect to the exhaust manifold... there is a metal gasket. It is not secure because the exhaust fumes burn off whatever type of adhesive that is put there. I think that if it was welded in place, (whether it's a new gasket like you mentioned, or the old one) it would not leak. But the super-flo is narrower at some points (2") than a regular lined flex y-pipe (2.5"). I'd say go for it, and try the welding thing. If that doesn't work then just replaced the ball-joint flex section in the super-flo with a regular lined-flex section... shouldn't cost that much. That would be the best route with the super-flo in my opinion... because the ball-joint flex section is an inpractical idea. It's just not meant to move as effectively as the lined flex. It will eventually break. If you want my honest opinion though... just save up the $200 and get a budget. It's stainless steel, so you won't have to worry about it rotting away on you ever, and it sounds good. I've had mine since I got rid of the super-flo, no problems. Good luck.
Old 01-14-2006 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by speed racer
The y-pipe needs to have some flex in order to absorb the vibration caused by bumps. This is why all exhaust systems hang from rubber hangars insted of it being welded. If the exhaust is too rigid sooner or later the aluminum will flex to the point that it fails.

If we use the OEM gasket wouldn't that help out with the leaks? I'm having the same thing now and thought that tightening it would help. Well it did for the first couple of miles but than it started to leak. Also just a little off topic question, but is anyone having fitmen problems with WS's hangar? I'm only able to fit one hanger.
The flex section isn't for bumps... it's for when you rev your engine. As long as the exhaust has proper rubber gaskets, bumps won't really effect your flex section. I'm assuming you have the super-flo? What gasket are you speaking of? If your y-pipe is like my old one, and every other super-flo I've heard about, it's not the 3 gaskets you are thinking of. It's a fourth gasket that only the super-flo has, since lined-flex y-pipes don't need it. Read my previous posts for a better explanation. And no, I never had problems with the fitment or installation of my super-flo.
Old 01-14-2006 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lilaclucymaxima
Haha, I remember me and NCSU_MAX unsuccessfully pioneered the super-flo.
Good times lol.
Old 01-14-2006 | 06:12 PM
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i just ordered the warpspeed y and high flow cat that they listed on ebay. i used to have a 93 se 5spd and also on that car i had warpspeeds stuff. never had a problem and the fitment went on easy. this was their mandrel bend aluminized pipe. i wanted the t304 but cash is abit short its not that imp.
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