4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999) Visit the 4th Generation forum to ask specific questions or find out more about the 4th Generation Maxima.

Ball Joint Diagnosis

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 23, 2006 | 08:13 AM
  #1  
Rickalodeon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 188
Ball Joint Diagnosis

Having replaced struts, sway bar bushings and end links, I was left with a couple of symptoms.....including an occasional clunk over small bumps and a drift to the left during low speed acceleration and sweeping right turns. I did the standard ball joint test (jack up, pry tire up & down) which seemed fine. I removed the wheels and had my son rock the steering wheel back & forth....I was almost positive that the left inner tie rod looked loose. So....I get the left and right sets (wanting to do it once), and proceed with the replacement. I didn't get as far as the castle nut cotter pin when I notice the lower ball joint was without-a-doubt the culprit.

Long story short, I thought I'd leave this tip: To really check the ball joints, you should remove tires (both sides), unlock the steering wheel (i.e. with ignition key), and turn the wheel assembly by hand (by the rotor) while observing the ball joint when the wheel hits the stop. If it's bad, you can't miss it....it'll move like it's loose.

Hope this helps someone out there.
Old May 23, 2006 | 08:35 AM
  #2  
dgeesaman's Avatar
Maintenance Monster
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,231
From: Harrisburg, PA
Nice. Thanks for the tip.

Dave
Old May 23, 2006 | 12:08 PM
  #3  
vvslavavv's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 110
Do you have a picture of what a bad ball-joint would look like. I'm trying to figure out if mine are bad. I'm not quite sure I understand your description
Old May 23, 2006 | 12:53 PM
  #4  
Delvin's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,616
From: Houston TX
Actually the proper way to check ball joints is with the weight of the car on the ball joint with the wheels on. You can jack the car up by the lower control arm and then do the pull at 6 push at 12 test. If you can't get a jack under the control arm then you need to jack the car up somewhere else and place a jack stand under the control arm. Your method isn't incorrect but you don't have to take the wheels off to do it your way either.
Old May 23, 2006 | 12:53 PM
  #5  
Fr33way™'s Avatar
Wild for Width
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,471
From: Atlanta
It will look just the same but there will be play. If it is REALLY bad, the rubber part will be torn.
Old May 23, 2006 | 01:39 PM
  #6  
dgeesaman's Avatar
Maintenance Monster
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,231
From: Harrisburg, PA
Ball Joints are designed to pivot smoothly without *any* wiggle room, aka play. The tricky part is testing them in-situ the weight of the car and the preload in the front struts puts them under load at all times, so the trick is to get enough leverage to overcome the loads on a bad joint and make it move.
It will look just the same but there will be play. If it is REALLY bad, the rubber part will be torn.
Although it can be the other way around - a torn rubber boot will lead to grease loss, which then leads to mechanical wear and then play.

Anyway, I would replace any ball joint that has a torn boot or play.

Dave
Old May 23, 2006 | 06:05 PM
  #7  
alleydawg6's Avatar
Livin dreams thru his Maxima
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by Rickalodeon
Having replaced struts, sway bar bushings and end links, I was left with a couple of symptoms.....including an occasional clunk over small bumps and a drift to the left during low speed acceleration and sweeping right turns. I did the standard ball joint test (jack up, pry tire up & down) which seemed fine. I removed the wheels and had my son rock the steering wheel back & forth....I was almost positive that the left inner tie rod looked loose. So....I get the left and right sets (wanting to do it once), and proceed with the replacement. I didn't get as far as the castle nut cotter pin when I notice the lower ball joint was without-a-doubt the culprit.

Long story short, I thought I'd leave this tip: To really check the ball joints, you should remove tires (both sides), unlock the steering wheel (i.e. with ignition key), and turn the wheel assembly by hand while observing the ball joint when the wheel hits the stop. If it's bad, you can't miss it....it'll move like it's loose.

Hope this helps someone out there.
thanx a lot man ...
Old May 23, 2006 | 07:27 PM
  #8  
vvslavavv's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 110
Maybe that's my problem, how do you get enough leverage to overcome the loads? I can't push/pull the wheel to get the joint to move!

Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Ball Joints are designed to pivot smoothly without *any* wiggle room, aka play. The tricky part is testing them in-situ the weight of the car and the preload in the front struts puts them under load at all times, so the trick is to get enough leverage to overcome the loads on a bad joint and make it move.

Although it can be the other way around - a torn rubber boot will lead to grease loss, which then leads to mechanical wear and then play.

Anyway, I would replace any ball joint that has a torn boot or play.

Dave
Old May 23, 2006 | 08:07 PM
  #9  
Rickalodeon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 188
Originally Posted by FASHIZL
Actually the proper way to check ball joints is with the weight of the car on the ball joint with the wheels on. You can jack the car up by the lower control arm and then do the pull at 6 push at 12 test. If you can't get a jack under the control arm then you need to jack the car up somewhere else and place a jack stand under the control arm. Your method isn't incorrect but you don't have to take the wheels off to do it your way either.
I tried this method and the result was no movement....which is why I moved on to the tie rods. It wasn't until I turned the wheel assembly to make it easier to change them that I noticed the ball joint movement....it was unmistakeable.
Old May 24, 2006 | 08:12 AM
  #10  
vvslavavv's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 110
I tried your trick, but couldn't get the ball-joint to move (also tried moving the wheel side-to-side, but no luck). So it must be alright. Now if I only can figure out what the hell is that scraping noise when I make right turns!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
litch
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
123
Jan 4, 2024 07:01 PM
James92SE
3rd Generation Maxima (1989-1994)
142
Jan 2, 2024 09:23 AM
user 11122324
5th Generation Maxima (2000-2003)
42
Jul 18, 2022 03:35 PM
D Mason
8th Generation Maxima (2016-)
1
Jun 21, 2016 04:43 AM
ivorton23
5th Generation Maxima (2000-2003)
7
Sep 26, 2015 09:47 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:24 AM.