help with intakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09-14-2006, 08:28 AM
#2
ok you need to read stickies....if you donate this thread shouldnt really be posted at all. So many threads already answer this.
Anyway, each intake gives higher power gains. You lose low end power with all aftermarket intakes. Stock is best for all ranges. If you want power up top go for a short ram. CAI arnt actually CAI unless you have a PR intake. They all sucks warm air and don't do better than stock. Intakes really give high range power and some nice sound. It's your choice, basically price is the factor.
Anyway, each intake gives higher power gains. You lose low end power with all aftermarket intakes. Stock is best for all ranges. If you want power up top go for a short ram. CAI arnt actually CAI unless you have a PR intake. They all sucks warm air and don't do better than stock. Intakes really give high range power and some nice sound. It's your choice, basically price is the factor.
09-14-2006, 09:12 AM
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well... not necessarily.. i installed a "cold air intake" i got off from ebay.. its weird.. i got lotta punch in the begining .. then i lose it after a while.. but it definitly helps on the highway and stuff.. a lil tap is all i need to keep it at 60-70mph. btw my intake pipe goes away the way in front of the ac fan.. i do miss the punch from my stock intake sometimes.. and i like the lil whistling noise it makes.. to girls.. im just like yea its my turbo..
09-14-2006, 09:31 AM
#10
Originally Posted by maxilover06
so what dose this mean...which is better a cold air or a short ram?
09-14-2006, 09:40 AM
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well im gunna tune thats y im wondering which sounds better and has bigger gains...a cai or a short ram and the stock one cant b better it has random dead terminals and the aftermarket has a bigger filter and bigger piping for more air-flow i may not be a genius but more air= a bigger air+fuel which = more power
09-14-2006, 09:47 AM
#12
Originally Posted by maxilover06
well im gunna tune thats y im wondering which sounds better and has bigger gains...a cai or a short ram and the stock one cant b better it has random dead terminals and the aftermarket has a bigger filter and bigger piping for more air-flow i may not be a genius but more air= a bigger air+fuel which = more power
09-14-2006, 10:44 AM
#13
Originally Posted by maxilover06
well im gunna tune thats y im wondering which sounds better and has bigger gains...a cai or a short ram and the stock one cant b better it has random dead terminals and the aftermarket has a bigger filter and bigger piping for more air-flow i may not be a genius but more air= a bigger air+fuel which = more power
wanna put money on it....read about a helmholtz resonator on the web....our intakes have them....reallly the besthing is to remove only the airbox and use true CAI piping from the MAF to inside the fender
09-14-2006, 11:13 AM
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http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1969/article.html
"The disadvantage of cancellation volumes is that they again take up space. Additionally, a variety of sizes may be needed if cancellation is to occur over a wide range of frequencies.
Normally, a mixture of techniques is used. For example, as shown here, a quarter-wavelength resonator (yellow), a Helmholtz resonator (green) and an expansion chamber (blue).
Note that all of these devices are for noise reduction, rather than intake volumetric efficiency tuning. So if any of the volumes is likely to be causing a restriction to intake airflow (and that's especially the case with a series expansion chamber), you can delete it without too much concern."
Hope this helps. P.S. The picture on the website, looks extremely similar to our intake setups. Happy reading!
"The disadvantage of cancellation volumes is that they again take up space. Additionally, a variety of sizes may be needed if cancellation is to occur over a wide range of frequencies.
Normally, a mixture of techniques is used. For example, as shown here, a quarter-wavelength resonator (yellow), a Helmholtz resonator (green) and an expansion chamber (blue).
Note that all of these devices are for noise reduction, rather than intake volumetric efficiency tuning. So if any of the volumes is likely to be causing a restriction to intake airflow (and that's especially the case with a series expansion chamber), you can delete it without too much concern."
Hope this helps. P.S. The picture on the website, looks extremely similar to our intake setups. Happy reading!
09-14-2006, 05:06 PM
#17
Well I've seen both sides in my car, but not the stock side, I bought my car with a Stillen Short Ram in it.
The Short Ram has a nice whine to it, kind of growly and you'll get the "Is that a turbo?!" a lot. You'll lose some low end power, and you'll see gains from probably around 3500 - 5500 RPM's.
I've had my true CAI (PR) in for a couple weeks, its sound is deeper, and around 5000-7000 it has a very nice sound, hard to describe, but its simply beautiful. With my CAI I saw gains over the Short-ram throughout the entire RPM band, and could feel the pull all the way to red line.
Gains winner: PRCAI
As far as prices go, your looking at a Shortram costing ~$150 for a good one, and a PRCAI is about $200-$230.
Price winner: Shortram
Installation for the two, for a Shortram take out your stock filter/airbox, and put back on the intake manifold that connects to the front of the car, the MAF, Venturi ring, and the filter.
for a PRCAI you need to take ALL of your stock intake equipment, only putting back in the MAF. You'll also need to take out the battery, battery support, fuse box, move wires, cut a 3" hole in your fender, attach the filter to the end of the pipe inside your filter, then put the battery/fusebox back in.
Installation winner: Shortram
SO as far as price/installation/gains goes the shortram wins 2-1. It all depends on your personal preferences, I hope this helped. Remember, if your running on a stock y pipe with a precat, it doesn't matter how fast the air is getting in, it needs to get out just as fast and you'll see even MORE gains if you upgrade your Exhaust.
The Short Ram has a nice whine to it, kind of growly and you'll get the "Is that a turbo?!" a lot. You'll lose some low end power, and you'll see gains from probably around 3500 - 5500 RPM's.
I've had my true CAI (PR) in for a couple weeks, its sound is deeper, and around 5000-7000 it has a very nice sound, hard to describe, but its simply beautiful. With my CAI I saw gains over the Short-ram throughout the entire RPM band, and could feel the pull all the way to red line.
Gains winner: PRCAI
As far as prices go, your looking at a Shortram costing ~$150 for a good one, and a PRCAI is about $200-$230.
Price winner: Shortram
Installation for the two, for a Shortram take out your stock filter/airbox, and put back on the intake manifold that connects to the front of the car, the MAF, Venturi ring, and the filter.
for a PRCAI you need to take ALL of your stock intake equipment, only putting back in the MAF. You'll also need to take out the battery, battery support, fuse box, move wires, cut a 3" hole in your fender, attach the filter to the end of the pipe inside your filter, then put the battery/fusebox back in.
Installation winner: Shortram
SO as far as price/installation/gains goes the shortram wins 2-1. It all depends on your personal preferences, I hope this helped. Remember, if your running on a stock y pipe with a precat, it doesn't matter how fast the air is getting in, it needs to get out just as fast and you'll see even MORE gains if you upgrade your Exhaust.
09-14-2006, 05:32 PM
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I agree Neo_Raven456. I have a Stillen/K&N shorty and the sound is great but it does slightly decrease low end torque. I can certainly feel a difference above 3000rpm as the car has a bit more HP at midrange and above. I notice that a clean filter works best too, when my K&N gets dirty I notice a loss in power (however slight) and a cleaning seems to free a couple ponys. We are not talking tremendous gains here, but I really like the sound and look of the Stillen/K&N over the stock box.
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