Quite surprized with stock y pipe...
09-27-2006, 06:37 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by f550maranello2
I was bored and decided to put back the stock y pipe on.. i wanted to see how much of a power drop it would have.. i currently have a custom cat back with a maganflow 33 inch resonator and magnaflow muffler...
I i put the stock y pipe back on this afternoon and WOW!!!! it makes the car run 10x better, 0- 40mph is effortless.... NO JOKE all that lost low end power is back i love it the acceleration is a lot smoother and the engine sounds great at WOT.... im very pleased.. honestly i think that that warpspeed y pipe just makes the car run like **** plus it has a loud flex section... im gonna monitor the car through out the week to get a better difference between the two...
I i put the stock y pipe back on this afternoon and WOW!!!! it makes the car run 10x better, 0- 40mph is effortless.... NO JOKE all that lost low end power is back i love it the acceleration is a lot smoother and the engine sounds great at WOT.... im very pleased.. honestly i think that that warpspeed y pipe just makes the car run like **** plus it has a loud flex section... im gonna monitor the car through out the week to get a better difference between the two...
DYNO!?!?!?! Ill believe it when i see the dyno slip.
09-27-2006, 06:55 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by f550maranello2
ok u dont have to believe me then.. im not gonna go waste money just to prove a newbie a point..
09-27-2006, 07:03 PM
#46
Originally Posted by f550maranello2
well that might be because nobody realy puts the stock y pipe back on like me.. fact is that the aftermarket y pipe makes the exhaust sound like crap... you can have a fart can bolted up instead of the stock muffler with the stock y pipe and it wont sound bad... as far as power wise.. the y pipe does seem to rob low end power and it gives it back after 3k rpms.. thats what my results seem to be.. this is the second day and i have been testing the car and thats what the resluts seem to be...
How does the Y pipe make the exhaust sound like crap?
Ive had two different catback setups and on both Ive run the Budget Y pipe and my exhaust has always maintained a deep low tone.
When I first installed it the tone difference wasnt much at all from when I was running without it, a bit deeper but that was it.
If you honeslty think the OEM Y pipe with its 2 precats is more free flowing and produces more power then an aftermaket Y pipe then somethings wrong.
You have yet to prove your theory other then your butt dyno, if you dont wish to use an actual dyno with and without the aftermarket Y Pipe you cant blame people for being skeptical.
There are however dynoes out there that do show a gain by running a Y pipe.
http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/519
09-27-2006, 07:12 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
That's what they all say...
09-27-2006, 07:13 PM
#48
i have heard this before, of people putting the stock Y back on and the car feeling much better. i have not done it myself but he is not the first to feel that stock y is better.
i will put my stock y back on and see hwo it feels once i get my impact back.
i will put my stock y back on and see hwo it feels once i get my impact back.
09-27-2006, 07:13 PM
#49
Originally Posted by Flava_24/7
Why do you say that?
Y pipe compared to headers yeilded pretty much the same numbers on an NA 3.0.
For the money and ease of install the Y pipe is the way to go unless your boosted or have a 3.5.
Y pipe compared to headers yeilded pretty much the same numbers on an NA 3.0.
For the money and ease of install the Y pipe is the way to go unless your boosted or have a 3.5.
09-27-2006, 07:19 PM
#50
Originally Posted by arrrghhh
i'm about to get a cattman y-pipe, i hope it's better than these horrible warpspeed stories...
Originally Posted by d00df00d
Oh boy, is it ever. You'll see.
Cattman, Budget and then Warpspeed.
09-27-2006, 07:27 PM
#51
Let me know when a stock 4th gen goes 97mph through the traps and puts down 182whp and 189tq like my 4th gen did with just a ypipe. For reference stock 4th gen 5spds put down about 165whp and 175tq and trap 93-94mph at the absolute best, 91-92mph on average.
I guarantee any NON PROBLEMATIC y-pipe equipped car will put a hurting on a similarly equipped stock y-pipe car. It's been proven time, and time, and time again.
Butt dynos are a) good for nothing and b) very sensitive to placebos. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
I guarantee any NON PROBLEMATIC y-pipe equipped car will put a hurting on a similarly equipped stock y-pipe car. It's been proven time, and time, and time again.
Butt dynos are a) good for nothing and b) very sensitive to placebos. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
09-27-2006, 07:39 PM
#53
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if you are feeling what remotely seems to be a gain from switching to a stock y-pipe from an aftermarket, the flex section in the y may have collapsed, causing worse performance than a stock y-pipe would bring.
Other than that, I will believe a stock Y is better when it dyno's higher than a car that's equipped with an aftermarket Y.
Other than that, I will believe a stock Y is better when it dyno's higher than a car that's equipped with an aftermarket Y.
09-27-2006, 07:39 PM
#54
It's the funny truth....
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
I guarantee any NON PROBLEMATIC y-pipe equipped car will put a hurting on a similarly equipped stock y-pipe car. It's been proven time, and time, and time again.
09-27-2006, 07:45 PM
#55
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
Let me know when a stock 4th gen goes 97mph through the traps and puts down 182whp and 189tq like my 4th gen did with just a ypipe. For reference stock 4th gen 5spds put down about 165whp and 175tq and trap 93-94mph at the absolute best, 91-92mph on average.
I guarantee any NON PROBLEMATIC y-pipe equipped car will put a hurting on a similarly equipped stock y-pipe car. It's been proven time, and time, and time again.
Butt dynos are a) good for nothing and b) very sensitive to placebos. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
I guarantee any NON PROBLEMATIC y-pipe equipped car will put a hurting on a similarly equipped stock y-pipe car. It's been proven time, and time, and time again.
Butt dynos are a) good for nothing and b) very sensitive to placebos. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
09-27-2006, 07:45 PM
#56
Originally Posted by f550maranello2
well that might be because nobody realy puts the stock y pipe back on like me.. fact is that the aftermarket y pipe makes the exhaust sound like crap... you can have a fart can bolted up instead of the stock muffler with the stock y pipe and it wont sound bad... as far as power wise.. the y pipe does seem to rob low end power and it gives it back after 3k rpms.. thats what my results seem to be.. this is the second day and i have been testing the car and thats what the resluts seem to be...
Maybe it has to do with the merge section? On the Cattman pipe the two sections just flow together smoothly, whereas on the Warpspeed pipe they come together at a "Y" section, like the Budget pipe only cleaner...
09-27-2006, 07:48 PM
#57
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I have a cattman full exhaust ( no headers ) and you feel the power around 3,000 rpm and above. I have driven maxima, I30 of the same year ( 96-98 ) and there is somewhat of a lost in the low end. However it only felt from 1,500 - 2,500 rpm and after that it is a different story in my opinion. In other words stock exhaust car will get the ypipe exhaust set-up off the line but once the rpm's climb up... y-pipe vehicle is ahead. No bullsh*t. But to 100% sure a dyno test should be done with both exhaust set-ups.
09-27-2006, 07:58 PM
#58
Originally Posted by sergofast
So the budget y falls between the two as far as sound and quality. Is there really a $100 difference between cattman and budget?
Cattman, Budget and then Warpspeed.
Cattman, Budget and then Warpspeed.
EDIT: Mind you, it's a $100 difference in terms of quality but not in performance. If all you want is a big improvement in power, get the Budget. The Cattman may give you a few more horses here and there, but that's not the main benefit. The main benefit is that you know for sure that you're getting something that will fit, work well, and last forever.
09-27-2006, 08:00 PM
#59
Originally Posted by Nismo3112
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if you are feeling what remotely seems to be a gain from switching to a stock y-pipe from an aftermarket, the flex section in the y may have collapsed, causing worse performance than a stock y-pipe would bring.
09-27-2006, 08:10 PM
#60
There is your problem. Loud flex = leaky flex = loss of exhaust gas velocity = loss of power.
Been there and have done that. The warpspeed design is sound. Unfortunately, your flex isn't. Put a new flex on the WS Y and you will feel the power.
Been there and have done that. The warpspeed design is sound. Unfortunately, your flex isn't. Put a new flex on the WS Y and you will feel the power.
Originally Posted by f550maranello2
. honestly i think that that warpspeed y pipe just makes the car run like **** plus it has a loud flex section
09-27-2006, 08:34 PM
#62
Yes. Any exhaust shop has them. My crapman flex was effin' too SHORT. ie.. stiff, so instead of flexing it broke. After 2 fixes at a shop, I said eff this and bought a longer one and welded in a new longer flex. I had to reconfigure the Y to cat lengths by using a shorter 4 gen cat and rewelding shorter lengths of pipe. But from that time on, NO PROBLEMS and it's still holding up fine today
09-27-2006, 09:10 PM
#63
Originally Posted by d00df00d
Yes, there is. Put the two side by side and you will see. Cattman does not mess around...
EDIT: Mind you, it's a $100 difference in terms of quality but not in performance. If all you want is a big improvement in power, get the Budget. The Cattman may give you a few more horses here and there, but that's not the main benefit. The main benefit is that you know for sure that you're getting something that will fit, work well, and last forever.
EDIT: Mind you, it's a $100 difference in terms of quality but not in performance. If all you want is a big improvement in power, get the Budget. The Cattman may give you a few more horses here and there, but that's not the main benefit. The main benefit is that you know for sure that you're getting something that will fit, work well, and last forever.
I agree the Cattman "looks' really nice, but my Budget Y pipe has served me very well. Its been on for over 4 yrs with no issues.
09-27-2006, 10:40 PM
#64
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
There is your problem. Loud flex = leaky flex = loss of exhaust gas velocity = loss of power.
Been there and have done that. The warpspeed design is sound. Unfortunately, your flex isn't. Put a new flex on the WS Y and you will feel the power.
Been there and have done that. The warpspeed design is sound. Unfortunately, your flex isn't. Put a new flex on the WS Y and you will feel the power.
to the rest of you guys.. im not condoing the y pipe im just letting everyone know that for some reason the car is running better with the stock one..
09-27-2006, 10:46 PM
#65
Originally Posted by d00df00d
Not for me. After I installed my Cattman Y-pipe, there wasn't a single spot in the rev range at which I had less power.
Maybe it has to do with the merge section? On the Cattman pipe the two sections just flow together smoothly, whereas on the Warpspeed pipe they come together at a "Y" section, like the Budget pipe only cleaner...
Maybe it has to do with the merge section? On the Cattman pipe the two sections just flow together smoothly, whereas on the Warpspeed pipe they come together at a "Y" section, like the Budget pipe only cleaner...
's always right..
09-28-2006, 07:49 AM
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hey could some answer a quick question for me, or send me to a previous post, and im not trying to high jack this thread. How much louder will my car be with just a WSP Y-pipe and the rest stock exhuast? im hoping to just have HP gains and not atract attention of my dad or the cops. Thanks for any help
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09-28-2006, 07:55 AM
#70
You plugged the muffler up where? You mean you wrapped the flex section? Are there any black sooty marks around the flex sections' weave? Is the accordian section broken inside the flex??
Originally Posted by f550maranello2
now that i think about it you might be right jeff... but it has sounded like that since the day i got it.. its weird because when i plug up the muffler there is no exhaust leak from anywhere... i replaced both crush gaskets and cat gaskets.. and there is no leaks... i have also taken the car in many times to make sure im not crazy.. basically what it sounds like is a exhaust leak.. when i drive with the windows open and next to a building or some cars i can hear a lot of "air noise" from under the car... but again pluggin up the muffler i cant hear any leaks from the flex section....
to the rest of you guys.. im not condoing the y pipe im just letting everyone know that for some reason the car is running better with the stock one..
to the rest of you guys.. im not condoing the y pipe im just letting everyone know that for some reason the car is running better with the stock one..
09-28-2006, 08:40 AM
#72
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
You plugged the muffler up where? You mean you wrapped the flex section? Are there any black sooty marks around the flex sections' weave? Is the accordian section broken inside the flex??
no i stuck a rubber ball into the tail pipe and listened for leaks... there is absolutely no black residue on anyting this is including the muffler tip... i have had the exhaust for like a month now and even with the warpspeed y pipe there was no black residue... there is no leaks from the flex section either...
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