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Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:16 PM
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i just got out of club abyss in NJ and there was a i think 92 or 93 legend 4dr in front of me and we exited out and came right up to a red light...im like ok lemme see what he got....we punched it and i spun a little (o ya i forgot to turn my OD off) and he had a little lead at the start and started pulling on me litle by little...he almost had a car length on me then there was a truck in front of him and he started swirving..and i kept on going.....i dont know if it was modded.....and after this i hit the parkway up nd there was no one in sight and decided to get my max to 140 and it stopped at 123.....hmmm limiter? how do i fix?
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by paul-e
....we punched it and i spun a little (o ya i forgot to turn my OD off)

You do realize that the only thing that switch does is lock out 4th gear.
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:24 PM
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yes...thats what i thought...but i seen other posts that people saying to make sure and take ur OD off when you race and since i only had the car for about five months i really dont know to much about it....heh
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:29 PM
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race vs legend

i wonder what those cars run stock?
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by paul-e
yes...thats what i thought...but i seen other posts that people saying to make sure and take ur OD off when you race
That is a crock, maybe in a 1/4 drag race but regular street race that is nothing, you probably didnt get to 3rd gear, eh?

Originally posted by paul-e
since i only had the car for about five months i really dont know to much about it....heh
You come to the right place...
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 06:58 PM
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My Dad has a 93' Legend, and I must say, that thing moves!! It has gobs of torque all over the powerband, and 225 hp to boot. Handles nice too. Honda did a good job on that one.
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 07:04 PM
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limiter?????

max to 140 and it stopped at 123.....hmmm limiter? how do i fix? [/B][/QUOTE]

in your sig it say you have an SE... i have an auto se and i go above and beyond 120. so i was wondering if you are sure you have an se? just asking.. maybe this might be a sign of another problem.
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 07:13 PM
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Re: limiter?????

Originally posted by bags533
max to 140 and it stopped at 123.....hmmm limiter? how do i fix?
in your sig it say you have an SE... i have an auto se and i go above and beyond 120. so i was wondering if you are sure you have an se? just asking.. maybe this might be a sign of another problem. [/B][/QUOTE]

I have a 95 GXE and it stops at about 120-123 depending on if its downhill or not. Are you posative you have an SE? If thats what they told you when you bought it I would take it to nissan and ask them.

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Old Sep 6, 2001 | 07:14 PM
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Its no big deal you win some you lose some. But it was fun at leas up to the moment you couldn't get him. Anyway just be safe. Peace.
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 07:37 PM
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legends...

yeah, I respect legends... my friend has a '93.. and when I used to auto, here is what would happen...

off the line, if I was shifting manually on my automatic, I would get about 1 - 2cars on him.. we would stay at the same spots till he hit 3rd gear, and by 100mph he would be 3 cars ahead every time... it was insane.. their 3rd gear is OUT OF THIS WORLD!!! ..

now that i am 5spd, there is no comparison though hehe..
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 08:58 PM
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Im confused. I heard that the gxe did not come with the govoner... Was i mislead too...? I have the white guage face so i am pretty sure that i have a 96 se. Is their a simple way to take it off besides paying 400 to reprogram it or cutting the wire to the tranny...?
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 09:33 PM
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untill next time...
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 10:31 PM
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heres the concept with overdrive.... it gives you more power when youre already moving and you nail it because it keeps you in a lower gear... when you stomp on it, it doesnt have to downshift it just takes right off... if youre stopped at a light and youre going to race, it shouldnt do anything... all its doing is not letting you get into 4th gear
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 10:44 PM
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the logic says it will not make a difference... tested at the track, multiple people have said it does... ? when I had an auto I turned it off when racing just incase.. could be a folktale, but who knows
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 11:12 PM
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i have an se...it has the spoiler...white gauges..and the door handles arnt chrome
Old Sep 6, 2001 | 11:21 PM
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i might know what i did wrong...usually when i drive my max i feather the pedal to switch gears...like letting go at high rpms and then punching it again...but when i was racing this guy i jus put the pedal to the metal and the gears were switching slower....i was pretty drunk!....
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 06:34 AM
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You don't know much about the car because you've only owned it for 5 months? Heh...that's a lifetime to some people. I make sure I know a car *before* I buy it

I would have gotten a 93-95 Leg over my Maxi if there was a 6-speed coupe around. I actually came an inch away from buying a 93 Type II (230hp) 6-speed beige Leg coupe in May, but the dealership kept getting all hokey with me cause I was young. The 6-speeds ran ~6.2-6.3s stock. Autos in the low 7's/mid 15s I believe (coupes, keep in mind). Even though I very rarely race, one of these days I want to put my maxi up against my friends 92 Leg auto coupe with i/e. Think I might be able to edge him out with a good launch, since I'm manual. Auto maxi vs. auto leg, I would say the leg walks from numbers.
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 07:09 AM
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max vs leg

i have a 95 se now, but back in 99 i had a '96 gle stock and got beat by a '93 Leg 4dr in the 9th street tunnel in dc. we were both head to head til about...say...between 3rd and 4th...zoooooooooooooooom he smoked it!! I was so so close to getting a 93 Legend but i'll talk my girl into it and test it out against mine.
i notice that if i (automatic) manually do the shifting and keep o/d ON (if it's a long road) then punch the gears til i'm maxxed out at around 115mph then turn o/d off, it'll take me straight ... i mean STRAIGHT over anyone racing me and we're head to head. easily hittin 125-130! i've never shut out on any governor!!
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 09:17 AM
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Re: max vs leg

i always wanted a legend especially when i drove my friends i think it was a 94 coupe type II...really nice...this legend only beat me by maybe 1/2 car length..good race but i honestly thought i would win=(
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 09:37 AM
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i dont think legends feel fast to drive.. with the except of the 6spd big engined ones.. but what do you expect ? Automatic, once those things hit 3rd they are mad fast compared to a maxima automatic.. like I said before though, they can't come anywhere close to holdin 5spd though

anyone raced a 3.2tl typeS ? those will make you cry.. if your auto or 5spd unless your decently modded (can we say 0-60 6.2 stock..)
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by paul-e
i might know what i did wrong...usually when i drive my max i feather the pedal to switch gears...like letting go at high rpms and then punching it again...but when i was racing this guy i jus put the pedal to the metal and the gears were switching slower....i was pretty drunk!....

The car goe faster when you just floor it all the way...I promise.


If you were actually driving drunk, you are stupid. You are one of the owrst kinds of people on the planet. There is never an excuse to drive drunk, ever. I take driving very seriously and would never even consider getting behind the wheel when intoxicated. I'm serious, you suck.

If not, nevermind...
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 11:36 AM
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Limiter

There is no limiter on the SE's. Your car just topped off at 123, and it could be for a variety of reasons (e.g., slope of the road, road surface, tire size and type and rating, energy consuming components) I've found out that mileage makes a big difference too. Before when my car only had about 8000 miles, I actually hit 137 in an automagic, believe it or not. Nowadays, I can barely get the speedo to 125. And this one time in band camp.. I was racing this Prelude on the I-5 in California, and it was all modded, and the guy had his girlfriend in the car.. and and I turned OD off and I mashed it.. and and it was really cool.. I smoked him to 130mph until I realized that I was running at 6800 RPM, already over the redline in 3rd gear... that was not good. anyways.. enough of that.. u should be able to hit higher numbers than 123.. thats all.
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 11:38 AM
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This whole OD thing is still a bit confusing to me. Should I just drive with OD on all the time? When I was on the highway going about 50-60mph and wanted to pass someone, I would turn the OD off and stomp on the gas at the same time. I did noticed a bit of a difference, but not much. So, should I just leave OD on and stomp on the gas instead because there is not much difference? If it doesn't make much of a difference, I would rather leave OD on all the time because the gas mileage hurts a bit everytime I turn OD off. I think with OD off, it "feel" faster, but is it really faster, or just in our minds? If I have a choice, I would just leave OD on and leave in Drive all the time. Oh well, I will get my VB install soon, so hopefully I don't have to do the OD off and manually shifting nonesense.
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 11:56 AM
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Maybe the OD is not the problem

I have a 5 speed, and when I 1st bought it, I couldn't top out at anything past 125 mph, 4th or 5th gear. I thought "there's something not quite right here" Since the car had only 30K miles, I didn't need major maintenance, so I did 2 things, replaced the air filter and the feul filter. Bam! My car flew past 120 all the way to 137 or so. The feul filter conditon REALLY affects top end.

Your feul filter should be changed at 15K intervals.

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Old Sep 7, 2001 | 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
This whole OD thing is still a bit confusing to me. Should I just drive with OD on all the time? When I was on the highway going about 50-60mph and wanted to pass someone, I would turn the OD off and stomp on the gas at the same time. I did noticed a bit of a difference, but not much. So, should I just leave OD on and stomp on the gas instead because there is not much difference? If it doesn't make much of a difference, I would rather leave OD on all the time because the gas mileage hurts a bit everytime I turn OD off. I think with OD off, it "feel" faster, but is it really faster, or just in our minds? If I have a choice, I would just leave OD on and leave in Drive all the time. Oh well, I will get my VB install soon, so hopefully I don't have to do the OD off and manually shifting nonesense.
ok ok i'll explain it for everyone.. listen up! our automatics are basically a 4speed (4 forward) transmission. 1, 2, 3(OD off), 4(OD on) as compared to the fast 1,2,3,4,5 5spd manuals. If u apply wide open throttle (flooring the vehicle) at say about 80mph, it would accelerate the same whether you are in OD or OD off, because the car automatically downshifts to 3rd(OD off) when you floor the vehicle. The reason for OD option is that it allows you to have a bit of extra power while driving normally (not flooring it all the time). 3rd would give you a larger gear ratio, and would make climbing hills or passing cars somewhat easier, at the expense of lower fuel economy.

Lets say that you are going 60mph, and you want to go faster. a) you can just press the gas - it'll accelerate but slowly b) you can turn OD off - it'll accelerate a bit more c) you can just floor it, and it'll automatically downshift to 2nd gear and it would accelerate the same regardless of OD on or off. It would then shift automatically to 3rd/OD off once you hit about 6000 rpm, or say 70mph.

Gear speeds: here are a few numbers for you automatics, if you wanna play around with the gearing by manually shifting the chunky shifter

1st reaches 42MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 40mph or 6300 rpm
2nd reaches 80MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 75mph or 6200 rpm
3rd reaches 130MPH@ 6,800RPM
i recommend shift around 122mph or 6150 rpm
4th theoretically would reach about 145 @ 6600RPM
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
This whole OD thing is still a bit confusing to me. Should I just drive with OD on all the time? When I was on the highway going about 50-60mph and wanted to pass someone, I would turn the OD off and stomp on the gas at the same time. I did noticed a bit of a difference, but not much. So, should I just leave OD on and stomp on the gas instead because there is not much difference?
ok ok i'll explain it for everyone.. listen up! our automatics are basically a 4speed (4 forward) transmission. 1, 2, 3(OD off), 4(OD on) as compared to the faster 1,2,3,4,5 5spd manuals. If u apply wide open throttle (flooring the vehicle) at say about 80mph, it would accelerate the same whether you are in OD or OD off, because the car automatically downshifts to 3rd(OD off) when you floor the vehicle. The reason for OD option is that it allows you to have a bit of extra power while driving normally and not flooring the vehicle. 3rd would give you a larger gear ratio, and would make climbing hills or passing cars somewhat quicker and without having to press the gas pedal as much, at the expense of lower fuel economy.
The reason for manually shifting is because it takes longer for our trannies to shift for us, providing a significant reaction time after you apply to throttle to actually get moving. Manually shifting the vehicle is not recommended, but provides a somewhat fun, but weak manual shifting feel. Power is readily available when the vehicle is left in 1st or 2nd, and it also helps in slowing the vehicle down on hills especially (engine braking).

Lets say that you are going 60mph, and you want to go faster. a) you can just press the gas - it'll accelerate but slowly b) you can turn OD off and gas - it'll accelerate a bit faster c) you can just floor it, and it'll automatically downshift to 2nd gear, throw your head back, and it would accelerate the same regardless of OD on or off. It would then shift automatically to 3rd/OD off once you hit about 6000 rpm, or say about 70mph.

Gear speeds: here are a few numbers for you automatics, if you wanna play around with the gearing by manually shifting the chunky shifter

1st reaches 42MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 40mph or 6300 rpm
2nd reaches 80MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 75mph or 6200 rpm
3rd reaches 130MPH@ 6,800RPM
i recommend shift around 122mph or 6150 rpm
4th theoretically would reach about 145 @ 6600RPM
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 06:34 PM
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ummm i was doing 123 for about 2 mins...and i kept letting up on the gas and then hitting it again and the rpm's jus flew and then bam just stopped=( i tried 3 times and no going past 123....i might have been going a lil downhill, did have my system on and using stock wheels and tires
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by MaximaGTR34



1st reaches 42MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 40mph or 6300 rpm
2nd reaches 80MPH @ 6,600RPM
i recommend shift around 75mph or 6200 rpm
3rd reaches 130MPH@ 6,800RPM
i recommend shift around 122mph or 6150 rpm
4th theoretically would reach about 145 @ 6600RPM
I thought all Maximas had a rev limiter at 6500 rpm? I have a JWT ECU, and they said that they reprogrammed mine to limit at 7000 rpm. Maybe that's BS. . . I dunno.
Old Sep 7, 2001 | 09:28 PM
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I thought all Maximas had a rev limiter at 6500 rpm? I have a JWT ECU, and they said that they reprogrammed mine to limit at 7000 rpm. Maybe that's BS. . . I dunno.
maximas are rev limited to 6800 i believe.. or else my tach is busted, cuz i always hit 6800 right before the limiter kicks in.. a lil bit over the redline.
Old Sep 8, 2001 | 07:17 PM
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wrong...

Originally posted by MaximaGTR34


If u apply wide open throttle (flooring the vehicle) at say about 80mph, it would accelerate the same whether you are in OD or OD off, because the car automatically downshifts to 3rd(OD off) when you floor the vehicle.
It is not the same. True, if you go WOT at about 80mph the car will be accelerating in 3rd gear regardless of whether O/D is on or off; however, with O/D on, the torque converter will be UNLOCKED, but with O/D off, the torque converter will be LOCKED. There is a difference in acceleration and in how fast your revs rise. Try this: turn O/D off, go WOT in 3rd gear...with the pedal still floored, turn on O/D...you will see the revs instantly jump and also feel a lil' "boost". This is the TC unlocking.
Old Sep 8, 2001 | 08:03 PM
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really?

Originally posted by NightRider
My Dad has a 93' Legend, and I must say, that thing moves!! It has gobs of torque all over the powerband, and 225 hp to boot. Handles nice too. Honda did a good job on that one.
it is ironic that I saw this thread. I really have no interest in racing my stock 98 auto SE at all, I just like the site a lot for technical advice and stuff. anyways I was out of town driving and some moron comes up from behind me revving his engine and wanting to race. i just ignored him but we got to a stoplight and I looked over and (stupid me) I thought it was an early 90's accord with a spoiler, lowered, etc. so I thought ok when the light turns green ill put this guy behind me and maybe he'll quit bothering me. so the light turns green and this guy toasts me and I finally notice its a legend and it was a 5spd. it was a 2 door, he had an exhaust at least on it. do all legends have 225hp or just these 5spd 2 door models?
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