i dont get it?

 

yeah....

 

interesting experiment.....

please make sure that all your lines are good and you don't vaporize your max

 

Nice work.

I it and started making my own but a little differently. From what I've learned, the spiral wire that melted the plastic is actually the best method for getting the gas. Also, a lot of methods I've seen use a "bubbler" which seems to make the system more efficient. Also, some sites have said about running 2 converters simultaneously for more gas and less heat from simply using one converter (like what happened with your setup). I'm going to work on a single converter for now but keep us abreast of the situation. Good luck.

 

Nice...

My guys are building a setup of two metal plates spiraling towards the center (kinda looks like a snail).

Apparently this not only uses a lot more area of effect for bubbling, but also creates a spinning action in the water making it even more effective.

You will also have to resolve the oxygen sensor issue.

g/l

 

lol ya keep it up, i wanna see you do an engine swap soon!

 

I'm planning to anyways, so this is my experimental engine

If it works though... well... MUHA HA HA!!

 

I got mine working last night and I see what you mean about the engine being so quiet. My setup is too crude, however, to use it in the car. So I'm going to redo the system. Also, for the actually leads in the water, I used two springs that I stretched out and put really close together without actually touching. Holy hydrogen making Batman In my next setup, I'm going to use four springs spaced and put close together for even more surface area.

 

 

hey kandanstev,

where are you putting your inlet? before or after the throttle body?? I'm thinking about putting it directly into the intake plenum. thoughts?

 

Sweet... Springs eh?

My inlet is currently split in two. One part is going into the intake past the cone, the other line is inserted into the PVC hose.



The reason for the split is the High-Low RPM's issue in the previous posts.

 

I looked over Smack's plans, and everything's cool except the metal plates. Doesn't make sense to me. How does each alternating plate get it's charge?
Dr J

 

hahaha!!

I really want to do this but I want one of you two to screw up first so i can learn from your mistakes.
call me selfish......but I am just plain smart.

 

well...i'm making a lot of hydrogen with the springs but i don't think its enough to carry the system into the high rpms...i would think too much hydrogen would be needed and I don't for see the system capable of making that much unless you had 3 or 4 generators working at once...but then it would be more of hydrogen charger then a gas saving technique

 

I'm going with the Smack system. Going to get the parts soon. Should be interesting.

How are the rest of you messing w/the o2 sensors?

Dr J

 

You know, as much as I want to get that 3.5 motor I am not ready to do it quite yet...

Doc, do you know much about electronics? You can either build the device yourself or you can buy a built one for about $60.

And what's the Smack system?

 

http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

$60? That's cheap. Where?

Dr J

 

You're looking for the actual build of the EFIE device.

I have some PDF documentation on the Air Sencor issue if any one is interested.

 

This site is very informative! I'm going to try and build one too! Apparently the site says that baking soda will damage the booster.

 

I am.

 

Send to my org name @ yahoo.com please?

Thanks!

Dr J

 

Sorry for the delay team, I know every one is anxious.

I've uploaded the article to http://www.thetarealms.com/images/te...e_Computer.pdf

Have fun

 

Thanks Kan..

An update as well...I started building Smack's device and expect to have it finished either today (Thursday) or tomorrow. Smack claims 1.7 liters per minute if the device is made properly, which is a substantial hydroxy output, so I'm going to try to give a test run before the weekend is over, but I need to purchase the chemical he suggested because apparently salt and baking soda ruins the device. So I'll keep everyone updated.

Also Kandanstev is probably much further along then myself or anyone else, so let us know what you've discovered or what does/doesn't work. And to any nay sayers...even if this doesn't make the system more efficient, the cost of distilled water is much less than the cost of gas

 

Well, so far I have burnt out two devices which suggests I should re-think my strategy. I had no chance to check the dynos before they burnt out but I must say that there will be no change in MPG until you mess with the O2 sensors.

Furthermore I really advise installing a water catcher. You really don't want water in the engine. I a week of driving my catcher caught about 4 oz of water, although my device was pretty cheap to begin with.

Also, too much electrolyser results in higher temperatures. Be careful. This is why both of my devices are blown.

 

Kadantsev: Thanks for the pdf's. I appreciate your willingness to be a team player. I'll contribute whatever info I have/get too. Are there any forums like .org discussing this topic? I only found the yahoo groups, but I don't like their format... too difficult to follow. Thanks!
Dr J

 

Yahoo is the only one I've seen also... I'll post if I find anything.

 

Just a quick update...not completely done with the unit yet but I decided to try and figure out where to mount it so I could get hose length and...there is no room in the 4th gen for the Smack booster!!!! Except...under the battery after you remove some of the stock air intake. Now I have an SRI, so I don't have any of the stock intake, so its easy for me to stick my head in there and see what's going on, but as far as mounting it goes, I think i will have to take off the engine tray and work from underneath the car to mount it. Just FYI for other's

 

Ohyeah! Forgot to mention that..

Eventually I ended up getting a longer hose and mounting it on the other side opposite to the battery. 4th gen are really hard on space.

 

That's where I was planning... by the windshield washer fluid and radiator fluid.

Dr J

 

I wonder if we could get away with running 87 octane with the HHO kit running and not have any knock.

 

Probably, but even more probably you would be getting a cleaner burn with 91 resulting in higher gas savings.

 

Bassman,
If you have a PHD in science why are you driving a GLX anyway?????
So to continue.. first off, the the laws of thermodynamics are very clear, however "EXCESS Energy" is created by means of the altrernator as unused potiental energy. The process is not to replace but to increase the burn rate of the exisitng fuel on board. If it's a scam as you say then why is the federal goverrnment back funding and research for the very same product?
An HHO vehicle was already created by Stan the man and he ran his VW completely on water for FOUR years. Althought the therory these users are trying may not always work it's the effort to get there that is the real reward.
Alex

 

And as an addition to what Alex1195 said, even if this device doesn't work i.e. it uses more energy than available in the current system, and it ends up requiring more energy than the motor currently puts out, it is still cheaper and much more cost effective to purchase distilled water than it is to purchase gasoline. So, the laws of physics aside, this HHO hybrid system will save its users money.

 

Received my EFIE device today from the company. Also started building the new device, hope to finish before the car goes into paint by end of next week.

Now... ahem... where is the O2 sensor?..

 

For the EFIE device, it says "Vehicles with more than one oxygen sensor need an EFIE on each oxygen sensor." So we need 3 of these devices?

P.S. Now that I think about it, I would assume yes. Is this right?

I will start building my Smack device as soon as finals are over.

 

Yeah, you might be right. I thought the same, but I read that after I placed the order. I'll see if there's any changes after I install the first one.

 

In this .PDF file, it would cost ~$100 to build, from scratch, three of the units. There is a link on that file for a Protium Fuel Systems Oxyisolator. They are $25 each, or 3 for $74. That would be a cheaper route but I am unsure of how well they would work. Are there any experiences with this and the Smack Booster?

 

No, you do not need three. You only need 2. Only the O2 sensors in front of the catalytic converter need the EFIE device. The one after the cat measures for more oxygen to make sure the cat is doing its job.

 

ordered the stuff to make smack's device.* I'm running an aPEXI neo on my car, so would I be able to lean out the intake? I'm thinking that if I get the booster working, then take it to dude's shop to wideband o2 tune it, it should be ok...any thoughts???* I'm curious as hell to see how this thing pans out!peace out.

 

We all are...

Just some quick thoughts, i modified smack's device by adding an emergency toggled-fuse switch on the device itself. So the fuse is on the device and the toggle switch is there just in case I need to shut it off for any reason while the car is running. I also ordered the Caustic Potash of KOH that smack mentioned and it should be here within the week. I'm still waiting on the EFIE's from eagle reasearch. Also, I've made a snazzy mounting bracket with foam that i drilled directly into the frame underneath the battery. So its very secure and easy for me to access and check.

But awesome...sounds like a movement here. Lets keep this thread going with updates.