Yesterday a friend and I were coming back home from a movie when I saw this nice black WS6 on thr thruway. So I just pulled up beside him doing about 55-60 and kept level until we decided to punch it. On the highway it wasnt that bad, I kept up with him till around 110 after which we had to slow down cos our exit came up. We finally got a chance to line up a light. Damn... that engine sure scared me! Off the line I got him till about 30 and after that it was over. He pretty much flew by like I was standing still.... and that was the last I saw of that car! Those things sure pack a punch.

 

Wow, I'm surprised you hung that well, they hit sixty in a couple of ticks past 5 seconds. And they cover1,320 feet in a mere 13.2 seconds at approximately 107-110 mph,
that's a little fast! What mods you got done to your Max mechanic.....

 

intake, y, cat, exhaust, lowered, body kit. btw do the ws6's come in auto?

 

nm

 

Was it a 93-97 WS6 T/A or a 98+?

93-97 T/As (LT1 motor) in stock form run around 13.9-14.5 @ 97-102mph in the 1/4 mile. I say 14.5 and 97mph is possible, but really only if the car is badly in need of a tuneup or has something mechanically wrong with it. Flywheel horsepower ranging from 280 to 310 depending on year and build.

98-02 T/As (LS1 motor) seem to run 12.8-13.8 @ 102-112 mph in stock form. Flywheel horsepower ranging from 320 to 375 depending on year, milage, and build (very underated motor). They get faster the newer in model year they are... GM has made minor tweaks to the LS1 as time went on, including swapping in the same heads and cam from the Z06's LS6 motor.

Whether it is a WS6 or not seems to make very little difference, a tenth of a second and 1 MPH at best.

I guess what I'm trying to say is he either had something really bad wrong with his car, or he wasn't trying. Especially if it was a 98+(LS1), not only are those things capable of very high 12s in stock form, but their top end (above 100mph) is even more incredible than their 0-100!

Trust me, I owned a '94 Z28, and currently own a '95 Maxima 5-speed. My Z would have raped my Maxima upside down and backwards without even trying. And when I used to race LS1 f-bodies, even my Z would get beat down hard... so I think something might have been awry with that race you had.

 

he said he got walked HARD...so what was wrong with that T/A??? Too bad those cars suck ***** after they hit 50K miles....

 

WS-6s only come in 6spd, but think of it this way, you'll be runnin on 150+ K miles and still goin strong while heez prolly in the shop......those things are fast az hekk though!

 

yeah you got that right man, its all good and all to have a high 13 or high 12 sec car stock, but when the interior is all typical plastic GM CRAP, and rattles, and things tend to fall off or fall apart and the car craps after 50k, i don't think the high 12's or 13's really matter I think those cars are great for dragging and all, but as far as saying there nice cars they are not for sure. If GM would only work on qaulity

 

Not true, the Ws6's do come in autos. My friend has a 2001 T/A with ram air. His best is a 13.0@108.

 

Maybe a little off topic but my '92 Z28 went through 5 engines in 6 years, the interior fell apart after a year, and just before i finally paid it off so i could get rid of it, the FRAM snapped while driving down the freeway. The welding on fram above the Lower Control Arm just came OFF.

Other problems I had:

3 starters
2 ignition switches
1 Distributor
3 Distributor Caps
1 Radiator Replacement
1 Gas Tank recall
1 Heater Core
1 Water Pump

Granted, the engines blew mostly because of the coolant problems causing overheating, and not because of the engines themselves, but an engine that blows after overheating ONLY once?!?!?

And yes, I did drive it bad, i was 18 and ignorant.

But still, I know people that BEAT on their Maximas (I have since learned better), and rarely have problems.

Sorry about the rant, but everytime I think about that S H I T T Y GM product, I get angry. I am never buying GM again...I don't care if it's a Caddie DTS or a Vette.



IanS

 

Um....I meant to say "FRAME" above, not "FRAM"

IanS

 

i wonder why people are confused... i did say i lost BADLY. anyway, i think that was an auto ws6 though cos i couldnt hear his shifts. when that guy launched his front almost lifted off the road! well they are really fast cars...

 

i'm gonna call BS on your z-28 raping your maxima 5spd. i own a 95 5spd max se and my friend has a 96' formula. we raced first from a stop and he beat me by like 3 or 4 cars, but when we went from 40 to 120 we were DEAD even (hes also an automatic, with chip, and exhaust). those things are fast and can become VERY fast, but they are still made like shlt and tend to fall apart. plus when they need a tune up you can REALLY tell.

 

I completely agree.

 

Matt spanked this WS6 at the track two times, and boy was that dude pist off. I have a friend that has one and next time we go to the track we will bring him along. Those things have corvette engines in them and yes siree they are very fast, but not fast enough to spank a supercharged max. But good run though..

 

Sorry but I've read it and re-read it and all I'm seeing is him saying that he kept up with the guy up to 110mph where they both let off.

Why the hell would I lie about my Z28 being much faster than my Maxima? I have no reason to.

I could see an LT1 f-body (93-97 camaro or firebird V8) possibly having a close race with a 4th gen maxima 5-speed if the f-body was very badly out of tune... but otherwise, no.

Go to your local track people... watch the stock 4th gen Maximas. What do they run? 15.0-16.0, some people with tons of talent and freak cars have pulled off 14.8-14.9, and some people with no driving abilities and/or factory lemon cars run 16.1 and up.

Go to the track and show me one damn 93 or above V8 fbody that is running right and doesn't miss a gear, that runs a 15 second 1/4 mile. I've never seen of it or heard of it.

If y'all are really that blinded by the rice, I invite y'all to meet up with me if you live around here. I've got access to a 98 T/A and a 98 Z28, and I would be glad to race any of you as long as you are naturally aspirated, for any sum of money you would care to bet.

I've actually seen a video of a guy running 8-9psi vortech s/c, and every other little bolt on made for the maxima, running against a bone stock '99 Trans Am... they were dead even until the max hit 4th and then the T/A slowly started pulling away.

You guys are right about the f-bodies having some serious build-quality and material-quality issues... but that isn't the subject at hand. We are talking about a race here.

Please tell me you realize how bad ANY maxima would get raped by ANY LS1 f-body out there... if not, you need to start marketing the crack you are selling, or lay of the uncle bens rice.

I joined this board because Maximas are nice cars and I wanted to get in to taking care of mine and maybe doing a little custom stuff here and there... but when y'all are trying to compare your cars in stock form to a 350 V8 LT1 or LS1 RWD sports coupe... I swear I can smell the reak of clubsi.

 

The man's got a point. The F bodies are disturbingly fast.

 

i have a friend that had a 2001 ws6 trans-am, he had never been to the track before, first run he gets a 13.4! stock and unexperienced driver, thats amazing

 

Oh, BTW- I'm gonna call BS on your friend having a chip... seeing as how 94+ f-bodies can't swap out "chips" because they are permanently integrated into the car. Nobody makes a chip for them. Nobody. Now a programmer... that's something else, and yet they do use those, but there is no chip swapping/adding/anything involved.

Hell, maybe I'll just call BS on your friend having a '96 formula while we are all calling BS on each other.

 

LT-1 f-bodys are WEAK up top...I've pulled 4 out of the 5 that I've raced on the highway OFF MY NOS...the 5th that beat me had a good number of mods...most of the guys that I've seen in LT-1s at the track run mid to low 14s....usually about 14.3 to 14.4...my buddy Nealoc187 (on the .org) has a 5-speed max with ONLY a y-pipe and he has run 14.45. How is it hard to believe that a modded max can keep up with an LT-1 f-body from a roll....hell...I've gone to the track with some LT-1 guys...one has a 95 Z28 auto with shift kit, intake, and exhaust...and when I was running 14.0@99 (50-shot NOS) in my max...he was running 14.2@96....BTW that same day at the track...another .org member with a superchared AUTO MAX ran 13.3@106 with CR@PPY stock 15s and stock tires up front. He was beating LS-1s ALL DAY.

We were never talking about a STOCK max keeping up with a LT-1.....I'm not comparing a max to a F-body for drag racing...I'm just simply stating that the max has a better chance against LT-1s than you seem to ASSUME it does.

BTW - just because a car is fast down a dragstrip doesn't mean it will be fast from a roll....case in point...Subaru WRX gets beat by high 14s cars from a roll...and can run low 14s at the strip....

 

I could have sworn we were... the guy never mentioned having any mods on his car that supposedly kept up with the WS6 from 55 to 110. Oh wait, he has intake and exhaust...well there's another 15 horsepower. So now his maxima is .1 or .2 seconds quicker in the 1/4. Oooooh.


Damn, you're not? I could have sworn you were just quoting all sorts of 1/4 mile times... and if I'm not mistaken, the 1/4 mile is the drag strip.


I didn't assume anything... I've owned both cars stock... so I know. It seems if anyone, you are the one assuming, as I doubt you have owned an LT1 f-body before. I ran a 14.0 @ 101 with my 94 Z28 with 88,000 miles and an automatic transimission my first time ever at the track. I just floored it and held on. And guess what, if I went on camaroz28.com right now and said "hey everyone! I got a 14.0 @ 101 with my bone stock LT1" they would say "woopdeedoo, you and every other person on this board has done that". If you made a post saying "Hey guys, I got a 14.0 @ 101 with my bone stock 95 Maxima" you would get a mix of guys saying that was the most incredible thing they've ever heard of and many more calling BS (from your own camp). I wonder why that is? Oh! It's because it's an everyday occurance for a stock LT1 to run 14 flat or even high 13s at the drag strip, and a stock 4th gen maxima running those times is unheard of.

Good for your friend running a mid-14 second time with nothing but a Y-pipe on his Maxima. That's crazy, and very rare as I'm sure you know. But you are trying to compare the best 1/4 mile run you've ever heard of a Maxima making to the worst time an LT1 could possibly make. And even then they are even. If we are going to play that game, I've heard of LT1s running 13.5 bone stock, and new '01 and '02 LS1s runnin 12.7 bone stock. What makes a whole lot more sense though, is comparing the norm of the cars, like I was doing before. And as much as it may upset you to realize, 14.5 is not in any way, shape, or form, the norm for a 4th gen maxima.

I wonder why that is? OH! Maybe because it's AWD and it has a significant advantage over the majority of cars which are FWD and RWD off the line! The Maxima is not AWD nor is the f-body.

 

I feel this THREXX guy is blinded by the WHEAT all up in his face. Sure some us in here overestimate the max, but for the most part, most of us know our stuff. As for Mr. Wheat as i shall call him i have been to morosso in south florida, and you that have been there know that on test n tune nights theres abouyt the sickest crap anywhere out there running. I HAVE wow i would say about 15-20 93-2000 Z28's running anywhere from 12-16's. I'm not even gonna go into the mustangs that i have on tape running mostly high 15's(94-97). But back to the f-body cars. The majority of them, well i would say about 80-85% were all running mid 14's sometimes 14.1-14.2. The slowest of the F-bodys i would have to say is the camaro, they were running mostly high 14's low 15's with people running the cars about 4-5 times down the track still pulling the same times.(remember i'm talking mostly stock here) Whats even more funny about these so called F-body beast is my fraternity brother has a 94 supra n/a with only intake and exhuast and he was running 14.7's(have that on tape too), and on the street i can't recall how many poor f-body we stunned up. Maybe its the driver of the cars or were running those in desperate need of a tune up. I was really suprised because these are supposed to be muscle cars, but they weren't much faster than the mid to low 14's most of us pull with I/Y/E. The fastest gm powered turd i have on tape would have to be a c5 or zo6 there was a sick c5 conv running 12's. I'm not here to flame, i'm just saying what i got on tape, and for the f-body fans it don't look that good

 

sometimes i swear these wheat guys are worse than rice guy

 

Mid 14's in a Camaro? Maybe Bone Stock old LT1, my 106K LT1 runs 12's at Mororso in West Palm. All I have intake, exhaust, Rocker arms, and a Stall. I am not trying to take anything away from Maximas, they are a sweet car, and I seriously considered a 02 while looking for my new car. They can be seriously fast. But my 2002 LS1 is bone stock and will walk a 02 Maxima as fast as they are. I pulled 317 RWHP STOCK! I'd like to see what modded 02 Maximas will do though. BTW, I have no rattles and been relatively hassle free with 7 years of constant beating on the car. I will agree that they have Material quality issues, but lets not start insulting the other cars, this discussion will degenerate quickly.

 

stop flaming

 

So since you "OWNED" both cars then you must have run them against each othe down a dragstrip and from a roll... And this is why you have such extensive knowledge of how it would turn out. 13.5 in a LT1!! LMAO...right dude...I was at the track a good number of times this last summer and fall...and at an F-BODY event there was not ONE stock or even nearly stock LT1 running even IN the 13s...let alone 13.5...as for your 12.7 LS1...that's almost Z06 territory....and I haven't seen a stock LS1 run lower than 13.5. This was at an F-BODY event at Byron Dragway in Byron, IL this fall when the weather was BEAUTIFUL and track conditions were perfect. Face it.....typical LS1 is mid 13s, and typical LT1 is low to mid 14s.

BUT that's not even the point here...we were talking about a race FROM A ROLL.....the dude already said he got whooped out of the light. All I am saying is that against a stock LT1, a modded max has a good chance FROM A ROLL....hello....I'm 4 for 5....and I gaurantee that the 4 LT1s that I beat were NOT in poor condidtion...the 95Z28 I beat looks MINT and has less miles than my maxima....

 

Well guess what kind of car I traded in on my Maxima? A 94 Z28 auto with the 2.73 gear. I think I can honestly compare the two. In stock form, my Z28 went 14.4@96mph with a 2.1 60'. With a catback it went 14.0@97mph with a 2.0 60'. With a Whisper MAF, MSD 6a, Borla Y-pipe, 3" Flowmaster catback, JET intake pipe, lightweight 16s, AND a chip (yes, JET did make a piggyback chip for the LT1) my best et was a 13.45@103mph with a 1.9 60'. There is NO WAY a NA 95-01 Maxima will hang with a LT1 auto/6 speed off the line, especially the auto. I can't count how many 6 speeds I could hole shot off the line with my auto Z28. The auto F-Body is just as quick as the 6 speed in the 1/4 mile. After 100mph is where the 6 speed shines. From a roll, with a stock LT1 auto, it is entirely possible for a modded 5 speed Max to hang. How do I know, because I've done it. My buddy has a stock 95 Z28 auto and I can actually hang with him from 60-100 and I walk away after 100mph. From a stop, he gets me by a car or two to 70mph. My Maxima has gone 14.7X@94-95mph many of times with a y-pipe, intake, B-pipe, and UDP. I could be much quicker if I could shed my 2.2X 60's. I find it amazing that my Maxima is nearly as quick, if not quicker (if I could lower my 60') than my stock 94 Z28. However, the LT1 is extremely kinked up intake and exhaust wise. If you think the Maxima's intake is bad, check out the intake snorkel on the LT1. It's not more than a 2" by 1" opening to the TB. Once you open that up to a full 3" diameter that sucker breathes. Simply adding a intake and exhaust will get you atleast 15rwhp and 20 ft/lbs.

I'm not ignorant enough to say that a well driven modded NA Maxima can take out a well driven modded LT1. No way, sorry. However, if the driver sucks, then anything is possible. I've beat the hell out of many LS1/LT1 F-Bodies in the 1/8th mile because they don't know how to launch or shift. I've also witnessed many modded LT1s going 14.5+ in the 1/4 mile only because of bad driving and traction. With a 2.0 60', I/E, a LT1 auto/6 speed should hit 13.7-14.0@98-102mph, easy. LS1? Forget it.



Dave

 

thank you craig!

 

my friend is in my networking class and his grandpa MADE the chip (supposedly anyways)or "programmed" the car or something or another and he took off his governor for him. (btw his grandpa owns a 99 T/A) this kids car has 25k LESS miles than my max (max has 104k) and we were dead even FROM A ROLL. i already said that he easily pulled 3 or 4 cars on me from a stop and that would equal a low 14 1/4 time to my low 15. besides, whos car is gonna be in the garage this winter? me, or the RWD? oh yeah, another buddy of mine has a 98' z-28 with 3.73 gears and that things HAULS!!! didn't the up the output or something in 98?



btw, please don't compare us to clubsi (those flaming ricebeater prlcks)

 

THANK YOU DAVE! I was simply stating EXACTLY what Dave just confirmed...that a MODDED 5-speed Max CAN hang with and possibly BEAT a stock LT1 FROM A ROLL....

 

Check out muscle mustangs and fast fords magazine... a ford magazine. They took a 100% stock '01 Z28 camaro and ran around 12.8x @ 110 and the car wasn't even broken in yet. Then go pick up a GMHTP magazine, they got a 12.9 out of a 100% stock '98 or '99 (cant remember) LS1, before GM even swapped in LS6 parts. And as you can guess, the reason the newer '01 and '02 LS1s are closing in on Z06 territory is because GM has put in the two major power-making parts from the LS6 into the LS1 while trying to keey it hush-hush.

By the way, Dave B... I think your major downfall is the 2.73 gears. The times I'm talking about are the auto 3.23 and 6-speed 3.42 (stock rear end ratios). Why GM ever decided a 2.73:1 rear end ratio would be a good thing, I have no idea. It makes a negligable difference in top speed and fuel economy. Swap in 3.23, 3.42 or even some 3.73s and it will feel like a whole different car. It's amazing what a difference in makes. Even going from 2.73:1 to 3.42:1 most f-bodies see a .4-.5 second ET gain!
Time to swap those gears out!

 

MAG RACER ALERT!!!!!!

You're straying from the point...you said a modded max doesn't stand a chance against a stock LT1.......I proved you wrong.....stop changing the subject to rear-end ratios and LS1 stuff.

 

Not at all. It's just that is the easiest thing for me to point out and say, "here is a time under 13.5 that is published". A mag racer, otherwise known as a bench racer, is somebody who says "well, motor trend got this great time with car a and this not so great time with car b, so car a is always faster than car b". Obviously if I tell you I've seen a stock LS1 run under 13 seconds (which I have and I'm friends with the guy who did it), that does no good because you weren't there to see it and I don't have a video of it. But we both have access to MM&FF and GMHTP, so you can look in there and see what they have run.


Sorry you haven't proven my wrong with anything. I'm just getting tired of arguing, it's pointless. You're going to have your opinion and I'm going to have mine.

BTW- maybe I missed it, but the guy never mentioned if it was an LT1 or an LS1...

 

I'm feelin' a lot of love in this room.

 

I never bought into the the whole gear ratio thing with my LT1. When you've got 320fwtq available at 2500rpms (as dynoed), the need for deep gear really isn't there. Many of my F-Body friends upgraded thier 2.73/3.23s to 3.42/3.73 and they were no quicker. They felt a hell of a lot faster, but they weren't when times on the track with equal 60s. Even the LS1 guys noted that the 2.73 geared cars were some of the quickest. Many of them swapped to 3.42s and then swapped back to 2.73 because of no difference or even SLOWER ets. I was still the quickest out of all my F-Body automatic buddies, regardless of gear ratio. Now, if I would have added a cam and a higher stall converter, then yes, I would have gone to 3.42s since I would have moved the power further up in rpms.

Torque makes such a huge difference. Just look at the 2k2 auotmagic Maximas. They are 1 second quicker than the 2k1 autos. The addition of displacement and super stout torque makes the auto perform even though it's still only a 4 speed and has a relatively tall ratio.


Dave

 

ROFLMAO, I hope to God I meet one of you guys some day and whoop your *** in my mostly stock (except for MSD and K&N) 91 GTA. Your guys cars are as fast out of the box as any 305 (V8 5.0L) thirdgen (82 - 92) fbody out of the box, and in most cases we still have your *** on a platter. Wake up and read the time slips boys. Oh and as for hanging and or beating from a roll, I will gladly meet up with any of your maxima owners in the MD area and prove you wrong, modded or not, but definately NA! BRING IT BOYZ, I'll meet ya at the track or on the road!

 

Check out my E.T. in my sig nerd.....I'd race you for slips.....but I don't want your POS sitting in my driveway.

Quit trolling man...you give a bad name to f-body owners everwhere...as for a 305 being as quick as a 5-speed maxima stock....

 

Excuse me, I have stepped out of line here, and I'm here to apologize. I am not trying to start a flame war, although my previous post reflects that, and I in no way, shape or form want to be a troll. Although I do back up the fact that any stock LS1 or LT1 or a lightly modded L98 (what I currently have) will walk any current stock Maxima.

As for BriGuyMax, well if you wanna do slips, bring it, although I dont think I would want your POS in my driveway either, so how about badges (This is ridiculous we probably live miles from each other anyway). I have a hard time believeing your running those times on a stock 97 SE, I'm looking at a dyno graph of a guy with the same car with a procharger intake and some kinda Y-pipe and he is putting out 172 ponies and about 193 on the torque line. I would have to see to believe it, that is, if it would run 14 flat. Are you sure your looking on the right side of the time slip

 

Tell you what, I'll race you across country and back, and after the F-Body gets out of the shop from the stress of being driven for more than a week straight, we'll talk about a speed race.

Like I said, I owned a Chevy product. Biggest POS I've ever laid my eyes on. Can't go 6 months without breaking down.

There's Max owners, on the other hand, that have 250k and have never seen the inside of a shop, except for regular maintenance.

You may go faster, but I go waaaay farther for alot less $$$.

I know this is becoming a flame war, so I'm desubscribing....just wanted to put in my .02, as someone who has experience with both types of cars.

If you love your car, then good for you. Maybe I just got a lemon. I, on the other hand wouldn't buy any GM product ever for any reason.

 

LOL, I hear ya Ian. I agree with you for the most part. I do believe that overall Nissan is building a more reliable car, but for the record I have a 89 GMC 1500 Sierra that has over 240,000 miles on it and the old problem to date is a bad coil, I also have my GTA and well check out the sig, 196,000+ miles and I'm still layin' down those times. I dont care what kind of car you have any vehicle with that kinda miles and runs those kinda times is impressive. By the way I would drive my car across country any day....and it would do just fine, and it would recieve no more stress than your car.

Just remember what were talking about here anyway...times and speed, not reliability, even though for every reliable maxima you can show me, I can show a reliable f-bod or two