4th Gen PNP Standalone+Gauging Interest/Discussion
06-13-2012, 12:32 PM
#42
I find that very hard to believe. I've swapped ecu's many times as well as simply unplugging it and its always reset the ecu. Heck, many simply disconnect their batteries for 10-15mins to reset theirs and your saying you can unplug yours for over a week and it doesn't reset?
I remember during my NATS incident I left the battery off overnight and the same ol same ol when I put the battery back in....
Matter fact.... I'm pretty sure If I charge the battery in it right now I'll have the same codes.... Car hasn't been on since Halloween 2011
Last edited by aackshun; 06-13-2012 at 12:35 PM.
06-13-2012, 12:42 PM
#43
Maybe a member-wide survey of known differences between model years, transmissions, and other things like California and Fed O2 sensors would be good. This is the forum for user knowledge of the Maxima - use it.
06-13-2012, 01:50 PM
#45
it kinda takes the place of the OEM TCU but connects to the ECU (or somewhere) for various speed, RPM and load inputs - but i really don't remember details. Streetz would know - he has one installed, last I heard. My custom Shift_Fast3 only requires RPMs, but you would NOT want to use it for DD. Racing is what it's for - and that works very well.
06-13-2012, 04:17 PM
#46
count me out 
i gotta pay for school and i still want to buy cattman header/y. i'd be down to get it even after the group deal is done. pnp = awesomeness, i hate wires and soldering
can't you reset it by turning the screw on the ecu back and forth twice? and yes i agree, unplugging it for a certain period of time resets it too.
i gotta pay for school and i still want to buy cattman header/y. i'd be down to get it even after the group deal is done. pnp = awesomeness, i hate wires and solderingI find that very hard to believe. I've swapped ecu's many times as well as simply unplugging it and its always reset the ecu. Heck, many simply disconnect their batteries for 10-15mins to reset theirs and your saying you can unplug yours for over a week and it doesn't reset?
06-13-2012, 04:26 PM
#47
id only be worried about cam/crank sensor reading
seems like it could do it but that would be my main concern
it will have to do a wasted spark for the coils
not sure how it will drive all 6 injectors tho i assume just like the wasted spark - which pairs of cyl fire fuel at the same time?
seems like it could do it but that would be my main concern
it will have to do a wasted spark for the coils
not sure how it will drive all 6 injectors tho i assume just like the wasted spark - which pairs of cyl fire fuel at the same time?
06-13-2012, 05:28 PM
#48
count me out i gotta pay for school and i still want to buy cattman header/y. i'd be down to get it even after the group deal is done. pnp = awesomeness, i hate wires and soldering
can't you reset it by turning the screw on the ecu back and forth twice? and yes i agree, unplugging it for a certain period of time resets it too.
i gotta pay for school and i still want to buy cattman header/y. i'd be down to get it even after the group deal is done. pnp = awesomeness, i hate wires and solderingcan't you reset it by turning the screw on the ecu back and forth twice? and yes i agree, unplugging it for a certain period of time resets it too.
My experience backs that up.
DW
06-13-2012, 09:09 PM
#49
id only be worried about cam/crank sensor reading
seems like it could do it but that would be my main concern
it will have to do a wasted spark for the coils
not sure how it will drive all 6 injectors tho i assume just like the wasted spark - which pairs of cyl fire fuel at the same time?
seems like it could do it but that would be my main concern
it will have to do a wasted spark for the coils
not sure how it will drive all 6 injectors tho i assume just like the wasted spark - which pairs of cyl fire fuel at the same time?
I'll get with the dealer on that stuff, but to my knowledge it will do 6 injectors and 6 coil packs individually. I doubt MS would invent an inferior system for vehicles which already have excellent aftermarket tuning support.
Like I thought, it's just a 99 only thing in which the ECU never forgets....
Last edited by aackshun; 06-13-2012 at 09:13 PM.
06-14-2012, 07:43 AM
#50
Cam/Crank sensor for our style of motors have already been done.
I'll get with the dealer on that stuff, but to my knowledge it will do 6 injectors and 6 coil packs individually. I doubt MS would invent an inferior system for vehicles which already have excellent aftermarket tuning support.
Like I thought, it's just a 99 only thing in which the ECU never forgets....
I'll get with the dealer on that stuff, but to my knowledge it will do 6 injectors and 6 coil packs individually. I doubt MS would invent an inferior system for vehicles which already have excellent aftermarket tuning support.
Like I thought, it's just a 99 only thing in which the ECU never forgets....
When I got everything back together the car had the hardest time starting. The ECU was learning everything all over again. Unpredictable idle etc for at least 1/2 hour.
DW
06-14-2012, 07:57 AM
#51
This should apply to 99s as well. I did my friend's 99 california I30 knock sensor/IACV/EGR cleaning. Took the manifold off yada yada etc. The process took me 2 days
When I got everything back together the car had the hardest time starting. The ECU was learning everything all over again. Unpredictable idle etc for at least 1/2 hour.
DW
When I got everything back together the car had the hardest time starting. The ECU was learning everything all over again. Unpredictable idle etc for at least 1/2 hour.
DW
06-14-2012, 08:30 AM
#52
I don't see how the 99 ecu is any different then the other 4th gen ecus in regards to losing its settings after losing power. In order for it to keep its learned parameters after being unplugged it would need to have some sort of internal battery backup.
But back to the original topic, having a full stand alone for the A32 would be a great thing, especially if it were PNP. I just wouldn't call it a hot swappable option.
But back to the original topic, having a full stand alone for the A32 would be a great thing, especially if it were PNP. I just wouldn't call it a hot swappable option.
06-14-2012, 09:03 AM
#53
Cam/Crank sensor for our style of motors have already been done.
I'll get with the dealer on that stuff, but to my knowledge it will do 6 injectors and 6 coil packs individually. I doubt MS would invent an inferior system for vehicles which already have excellent aftermarket tuning support.
I'll get with the dealer on that stuff, but to my knowledge it will do 6 injectors and 6 coil packs individually. I doubt MS would invent an inferior system for vehicles which already have excellent aftermarket tuning support.
What really is required for the MS sensor timing? I assume the front crank sensor and cam sensor, but what about the flywheel? Is the missing-tooth location critical? Because my flywheel location is random, since the key pin on the 3.5 crank has no matching hole in the 3.0 flex plate and I just drilled a hole in it to mount the plate.
Please get details.EDIT Later: Looks like the MS II could have true sequential coil-over-plug and injector control. Here's a link to the Sequencer option: This is a Good Thing.
http://www.megamanual.com/seq/
Last edited by grey99max; 06-14-2012 at 12:18 PM.
06-14-2012, 03:19 PM
#54
What do you mean its been done?
We have it on the EU (i have one) but thats because we (dandy) gave the oscilloscope graphs of each of the sensors so they could program it into the eu software. Are you saying you have done the same?
We have it on the EU (i have one) but thats because we (dandy) gave the oscilloscope graphs of each of the sensors so they could program it into the eu software. Are you saying you have done the same?
06-15-2012, 12:03 AM
#55
Looks like the MS II could have true sequential coil-over-plug and injector control. Here's a link to the Sequencer option: This is a Good Thing.
http://www.megamanual.com/seq/
http://www.megamanual.com/seq/
on the other hand, what we're looking at working with is the MS3 anyway which, as this chart shows, is more advanced so it makes no difference what the sequencer can do.
06-15-2012, 01:33 AM
#56
I am interested to see where this goes... Now how will this work for those with 3.5 swaps using 3.0 timing? I am assuming you just loose the ability to do the variable timing on the 3.5 or am I missing something?
I also have a 99.... Just want to confirm Will this bypass the NATS? If so I may be interested for sure...
I also have a 99.... Just want to confirm Will this bypass the NATS? If so I may be interested for sure...
06-15-2012, 07:17 AM
#57
i've been looking and looking and looking... i've found a lot of talk about the ms2 sequencer but haven't been able to find one for sale.
on the other hand, what we're looking at working with is the MS3 anyway which, as this chart shows, is more advanced so it makes no difference what the sequencer can do.
on the other hand, what we're looking at working with is the MS3 anyway which, as this chart shows, is more advanced so it makes no difference what the sequencer can do.
I have a full DEK swap in my 96, could I get it mapped from MS for the larger DEK injectors?
06-15-2012, 09:01 AM
#59
What really is required for the MS sensor timing? I assume the front crank sensor and cam sensor, but what about the flywheel? Is the missing-tooth location critical? Because my flywheel location is random, since the key pin on the 3.5 crank has no matching hole in the 3.0 flex plate and I just drilled a hole in it to mount the plate. Please get details.
Please get details.I don't see how the 99 ecu is any different then the other 4th gen ecus in regards to losing its settings after losing power. In order for it to keep its learned parameters after being unplugged it would need to have some sort of internal battery backup.
But back to the original topic, having a full stand alone for the A32 would be a great thing, especially if it were PNP. I just wouldn't call it a hot swappable option.
But back to the original topic, having a full stand alone for the A32 would be a great thing, especially if it were PNP. I just wouldn't call it a hot swappable option.
But where I got my assumption was the OBDII miatas have a similar engine setup w/ the Crank and Cam sensors. The VQ30 didn't re-invent the wheel by a long shot, a lot of late 90s cars run like ours does..... Just that the VQ30 was only in a platform that's not well supported by aftermarket companies... That's what makes it so hard to get stuff to run because we're doing it on our own, but since MS is doing the configuring on their behalf we don't have anything to worry about....
EDIT:
I'm wrong apparently the 97 Miata's still use a Crank Angle Sensor type setup....
Well still the above paragraph applies....
I am interested to see where this goes... Now how will this work for those with 3.5 swaps using 3.0 timing? I am assuming you just loose the ability to do the variable timing on the 3.5 or am I missing something?
I also have a 99.... Just want to confirm Will this bypass the NATS? If so I may be interested for sure...
I also have a 99.... Just want to confirm Will this bypass the NATS? If so I may be interested for sure...
Yup!! Your security light will stay on but that's it.
Last edited by aackshun; 06-15-2012 at 09:52 AM.
06-15-2012, 10:56 AM
#62
06-15-2012, 11:01 AM
#63
+
http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/m...-iii-c-76.html
And you have to come up with your own map.....
Not until I get 10 people interested and a car to Suwannee, GA. No.
06-15-2012, 03:30 PM
#66
So this will only be for 3.0 ? Thats a bummer because Im sure if anyone boosted blows their 3.0 why buy another 3.0 when you can get a more powerful 3.5 and do the swap probably for about the same price.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
06-15-2012, 03:33 PM
#67
So this will only be for 3.0 ? Thats a bummer because Im sure if anyone boosted blows their 3.0 why buy another 3.0 when you can get a more powerful 3.5 and do the swap probably for about the same price.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
3.0 timing on a 3.5 would not really make a diff, system should work the same.
unless you mean 3.5 w 3.5 timing.
06-15-2012, 05:11 PM
#68
06-16-2012, 07:45 AM
#69
06-18-2012, 06:34 AM
#71
Well my car is complicated slightly... i got a 99 se-l running cali emissions 99 ecu... 97 fed spec engine and my harness will be rewired to a 97 ecu shortly how does this system work in conjunction of a 99 ecu harness versus all other 4th gens? Remember that our crank wires and a few others need to be repinned on a different pin in order to run another ecu... are they takin this into consideration as well or is that something they are going to put in software or will there be a 99 specific standalone??
06-18-2012, 06:46 AM
#72
So this will only be for 3.0 ? Thats a bummer because Im sure if anyone boosted blows their 3.0 why buy another 3.0 when you can get a more powerful 3.5 and do the swap probably for about the same price.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
Im figuring on buying a bigger turbo for that very reason.. If I blow my 14 year old 3.0 engine I will go with a 3.5 swap. And Im auto FYI not sure if that will be a problem with this stand alone.
He just needs more convincing.... He won't be doing anything with his car for some time soooo he should just get it running again so we can take it to GA
Well my car is complicated slightly... i got a 99 se-l running cali emissions 99 ecu... 97 fed spec engine and my harness will be rewired to a 97 ecu shortly how does this system work in conjunction of a 99 ecu harness versus all other 4th gens? Remember that our crank wires and a few others need to be repinned on a different pin in order to run another ecu... are they takin this into consideration as well or is that something they are going to put in software or will there be a 99 specific standalone??
And it's not that hard, ever heard of a Jumper Harness? Honda's do it all of the time for PNP ECU's or just for chipped OEM ECU's when they do Motor swaps.....
06-18-2012, 06:54 AM
#73
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I'd be willing to do this and helping all the 4th gens with this would be really nice. I could manage without a car for a month but hate to say it like this but "what is in it for me to be without my car a WHOLE month"? Will I get discount pricing over everyone else. If it was just a week no biggie, plus spending the extra cash to drive there would be $150 in fuel (my car plus a tail vehicle) alone (5 hour drive).
Let me know, I'm will to work this out if we get the 10 people and I can speak ahead of time with the company to find out where they will be keeping my car (inside locked down) security type stuff.
Let me know, I'm will to work this out if we get the 10 people and I can speak ahead of time with the company to find out where they will be keeping my car (inside locked down) security type stuff.
Last edited by max1008; 06-18-2012 at 07:11 AM.
06-18-2012, 06:29 PM
#74
lol
anyway, i've got to swap the harness, rebuild the motor, get it registered, get it inspected, etc. das a lot to do! not to mention the rebuild will have nothing to do with my performance build, grrr.
06-19-2012, 05:27 AM
#75
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Posts: 344
Hey I'm completely offering up my car. Get two more people and lets get this done! I can't believe that we are only two people away..the hardest part of dropping off a car for a month and no one is pushing this. I mean I posted this yesterday at 8 basically and only one reply since then and it was mightymax95 explaining to you why he didn't want to do it. Quit bugging him about it, sounds like the things he needs to do with it might take some time. I have a 99 max with CAI, full header back exhaust, test pipe, lightweight fly wheel & crank pulley, 6 puck clutch, LSD trans, motor is in top notch shape no leaks. If we are going to do this with my car I'm going to go ahead and swap over to the 00VI before it goes up north.
06-19-2012, 06:53 AM
#76
And you can always sell a working VQ30 for $300.....
Don't matter, this guy -V- is up for the task.
Hey I'm completely offering up my car. Get two more people and lets get this done! I can't believe that we are only two people away..the hardest part of dropping off a car for a month and no one is pushing this. I mean I posted this yesterday at 8 basically and only one reply since then and it was mightymax95 explaining to you why he didn't want to do it. Quit bugging him about it, sounds like the things he needs to do with it might take some time. I have a 99 max with CAI, full header back exhaust, test pipe, lightweight fly wheel & crank pulley, 6 puck clutch, LSD trans, motor is in top notch shape no leaks. If we are going to do this with my car I'm going to go ahead and swap over to the 00VI before it goes up north.
And no I will not stop bugging mightymax
Car sounds awesome too! But I would prefer you would keep the 00VI off of it for testing sake, we just need the standalone running the car efficiently w/ things how it sets, extra variables like 00VI's/MEVI's would not be preferred, just for the fact they can screw with idle settings, exhaust mods would only potentially throw off AFR by a little bit, but that would need to be adjusted on anyone's vehicle.
I will get in contact with the dealer again to see if the person taking the big hit on being the test dummy can get any extra incentives.
06-19-2012, 11:34 AM
#79
I know what you mean, I'll catch up with 'em this afternoon.