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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:02 AM
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I'm not sure what the title should be...

I'm looking into positioning a bottle that can hold a good amount of water somewhere inside my engine bay that, so once the engine is at operating temp the bottle would be defrost from the heat of the engine, I also have a few concern.

1) will the water get too hot for the windshield that it may crack it?
2) what type of bottle is good that won't melt from the heat under the hood?
3) will the engine heat be able to melt a bottle of water frozen solid within 20 min max?

I'm sick of buying that $4 ish at the parts store, I need a good solution at least until winter is over here in NY
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:08 AM
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Just warm the car then set the blow to max to the windshield, in few minutes, the ice will start melting, of course you can scrap to give it some help.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:12 AM
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that's not what I meant, when the street is wet other cars splash your windshield just by driving be-hide them, that stuff is salt, and water it doesn't wipe off, and if you don't have any wiper fluid your not seeing anything
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 07:04 AM
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I don't know what do you want to do with a bottle of water, but do fill the windshield fluid often.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 09:27 AM
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Washer fluid refills FTW.

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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LuminousX
I'm looking into positioning a bottle that can hold a good amount of water somewhere inside my engine bay that, so once the engine is at operating temp the bottle would be defrost from the heat of the engine.

1) will the water get too hot for the windshield that it may crack it?
Maybe. It all depends on the differences in temperature between the water and the windshield. In colder weather, the water would tend to cool off pretty quick and freeze on the windshield.

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2) what type of bottle is good that won't melt from the heat under the hood?
A glass bottle probably would not melt, but that would be pretty fragile and would probably get broken. Plastic wouldn't break, but there are all different kinds of plastic and you need the kind of plastic that can withstand high heat. A metal bottle would work, it wouldn't break and wouldn't melt.

The water freezing in the bottle is a bigger concern/problem. Water expands when it freezes and will break glass, plastic and even metal containers.

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3) will the engine heat be able to melt a bottle of water frozen solid within 20 min max?
This depends on how close the water container is to a source of heat and how big the block of ice is and to a certain extent, how cold the block of ice is.

I think this is a waste of your time and energy. Too many variables to figure out and overcome for such a small savings in money.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 01:21 PM
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All good advices, but now I'm thinking about plan "B" wHicham is relocating the hose inside the trunk so I have easy access to it
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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I would build my own tank and place a coil of copper hose in it to run the engine coolant through. would not take too long to heat up then, and your fluid would be almost 200*.



Like this




I would mount it below the battery where at big resonator used to be attached to the intake snorkel.

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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 02:04 PM
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Takes us back to one of my concerns, would this water be too hot for the wind shield?
there's 2 sides to the radiator, what side is hotter than one, does anyone know what these Temps are? The bottom hose is suppose to be the cooler one that's been cooled by the radiator, and is going back into the engine to cool it down, that I know, but is the temp safe to use

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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 02:15 PM
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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 02:28 PM
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As much as I'd like to buy one of those, and looks like something that's gonna draw a lot of power from the battery, I think the copper coil is the best way to go, I'll just extent the hose so it will be warm by the time it gets to the wind shield, I'm going to pick up a bottle that will handle the heat, and the frozen water, then go to work, just got to go hunting on ebay for one of those coils now, and look for a splitter for the coolant hose I'm going to be running from the smaller hose on the bottom, I don't see how this wouldn't work, all advice welcome
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 05:07 PM
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You can buy the copper at the hardware store and wrap it around a piece of pipe yourself, it's pretty soft. I would tap into the heater hoses (5/8"?) or the smaller line that usually goes to the upper intake (7/16"?).

I have a 5MT and an after market radiator with built in trans cooler. Personally I would blumb my heated tank to that, and run a 12v pump circulating coolant trough the reservoir and "cooler", isolated from the cooling system coolant. One could also simply mount the tank under the battery and run a 12v pump circulating the washer fluid itself through the "cooler".
Of course these systems would still need a pump for the squirters.

Circulating coolant between the res and cooler would insure the pump would not freeze, and that the heating process would start sooner.

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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 05:13 PM
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instead of going through all that trouble, why dont you just put in a additive that will prevent your washer fluid from freezing such as some cheap alcohol
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpypickle
instead of going through all that trouble, why dont you just put in a additive that will prevent your washer fluid from freezing such as some cheap alcohol
because
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I'm sick of buying that $4 ish at the parts store, I need a good solution at least until winter is over here in NY
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 05:24 PM
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Even here on the oregon coast where it's tropic by comparison, I had a frozen tank for 4 days once. While a heated tank would not make sense here, I makes perfect sense in Minnesota, Chicago, NY, Main, Mass. etc..
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 05:39 PM
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Windshield waher fluid is $0.99 per gallon at Walmart. If you can't afford to keep the washer bottle full of the correct fluid, perhaps a bicycle would be a better choice of transportation for you.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:23 PM
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A buck a gallon sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll go treat my car to some. It's been empty for a year or so.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Windshield waher fluid is $0.99 per gallon at Walmart. If you can't afford to keep the washer bottle full of the correct fluid, perhaps a bicycle would be a better choice of transportation for you.
Is that the winter formula that won't freeze, and melts ice? Doubt it.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 07:23 PM
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upgrade your nozzels to the 6th gen ones. Makes a significant amount of difference. When it streams the distribution of fluid.
Old Feb 20, 2015 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by asand1
Is that the winter formula that won't freeze, and melts ice? Doubt it.
Winter formula isnt that expensive regardless of whether its a a dollar or 4 dollars a gallon. If OP is bored and just wants to fab up something knock himself out. I personally would just throw some rubbing alcohol in that *****.
Old Feb 21, 2015 | 04:03 AM
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Is that the winter formula that won't freeze, and melts ice? Doubt it.
that's only $1.99 for a gallon, if you are going through more than a gallon a week ...


What i do is fill up a spray bottle with deicer and saturate my windshield each time its frozen, then turn on the defroster for like 10 minutes and then the ice comes off in pieces with a few smacks from a spatula ...
Old Feb 21, 2015 | 05:22 AM
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my problem was never the ice, it's the salt, and water off the street that sticks to the wind shield, and won't come off unless you use some type of fluid
Old Feb 21, 2015 | 05:32 AM
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Is that the winter formula that won't freeze, and melts ice? Doubt it.
Winter formula? I think the freeze point is like -25. Read the bottle.
Old Feb 21, 2015 | 05:54 AM
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...pics/3638115/1

Seems the "-25" is largely false advertising.

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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 07:35 AM
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It is false advertising, its always frozen over for me. But a mix a little shield de-icer or vadka and your gucci
Old Feb 21, 2015 | 08:01 AM
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Is your windshield washer fluid (Blue) freezing? The title kinda been Windshield Washer bottle...
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