maximamoose

has anyone raced an audi s4? those things are quick. i pulled up to one at a stop light. he sat there and revved his engine at me. i had my g/f in my car, and he had a girl in his. he had an aftermarket exhaust on that thing, unless stock is really wide in the back. i don't know what else he had. we took off, and he pulled on me. i caught up, and he just gunned it. we were both stick. then we saw a cop on the other side of the road, so we both hit the brakes. should i be disappointed in my max, or are those things just that quick?

CoOlKidS1979

Man you should know what your racing before you race it.

maximamoose

i have never even heard of the things before that night. i thought that it was just an a4 or something with a badge on it

Keven97SE

They have a 2.7L twin turbo V6. Stock they are 250 HP, more torque. They have standard upgrade kits that are typically exhaust/intake/ECU, and easily put out 300+ HP.

They are as fast if not faster than the previous-gen M3 (240 HP). Modified, even faster.

You got schooled by a much faster car, so don't be disappointed in the least.

BEJAY1

iTrader: (19)

S4's start with 250hp. Chipping em can add another 60-70hp. Other bolt-ons can bring em close to 350hp. - you just never know beforehand.

97BlackMax

in other words, those cars are bad-***!!...don't feel bad about losing, as Keven97SE has provided some nice details as to why

Vyrus

iTrader: (4)

You forgot to mention they are AWD. 250hp May sound whimpy but they do 0-60MpH in the mid-5s.
-Cyrus

maximamoose

thanks then guys. i don't feel bad anymore, and i realize that my car isn't a piece. you have made me want to race again(not against a s4 though).

JAY25

iTrader: (38)

250Ponies AWD, no this **** is sad a $250-$350 chip brings them up 60HP plus, WTF!!!so is an underrated 250 HP plus car then. Amazing why cant we get a chip that can bring us up to 240HP like that. That says alot about European vehicles doesnt it. I would like to run one, when I get my Y pipe Ill rev and see how fast they really are against a supercharged Max!!!

JR_Anders

The chip adjust the psi of the boost. Stock I think is 4-6 psi, with a chip it's up to around 16psi. I wanted an A4 1.8t quattro but for my situation a 4th gen Maxima will suit me better. I test drove an S4 though and it was the best car I've been in, too bad it was $35,000 and a '99 with 40,000 miles.

gtr_rider

iTrader: (50)

YOu may get owned

spiff56747

iTrader: (-1)

Its not amazing that we can't get a chip that brings us to 240 HP, since we dont have a turbo that comes from the factory. If nissan bolted on a biturbo system onto the VQ engine, the maxima would have just as much potential as an S4 (with 4 wheel drive also).

Also, this doesn't say jack about European vehicles, except that if you have a lot of money, you can buy a ridiculously fast European car.

Just setting the facts straight

MAX95RUS

maximamoose! Don't be disappointed, at least you raced that A$$4 before coming to maxima forum you know what I mean

hakk97se

I drove around in a friends S4 before and it's an amazing car. The road feel is great, and the AWD is incredible. However, hers was chipped. I was thinking... that 250hp rating is a peak, at the crank rating, after the turbos are all spun up (we're talkin stock here). That means probably about 230hp to the wheels at turbos spun up. Now also take into account that the S4 is a 3700 lbs car because of heavy turbos and AWD and ammenities. (Hence, it's less than stellar 0-60). Granted the S4 has huge modding potential, but in the context of a street race, I would wager that a roughly 3000lbs Max 4th gen, 5 speed, with intake and exhaust could at least keep up with the S4 off the line for the 1/4. Throw a Variable Intake on the Max into the equation (yet 1/4mi unprooven) and the NA Max would have a pretty good shot against the stock biturbo S4. It should be noted however, that the S4's turbo lag is very minimal due to the biturbo design, but trust me, it still exists. Just a thought on that.

black019

i raced an s8 once

well actually, i watched an s8 once. i wouldnt call it a race...

mzmtg

iTrader: (11)

Um, no.

Ask Jambo, he has both

Jimbrowski

Stock S4's probably put out about 220 ish to the wheels, as the 250HP figure is underrated. There is about 18-25% drivetrain loss due to the AWD system, but you gain approx 4-8% in driveline efficiency due to having all wheels driven with no parasitic losses due to a two wheels just rotating. Total driveline loss is approx. 10-17%, not nearly as much as people think there should be.
For a more realistic quess, stock S4's are in the ballpark of 260-265hp. (based upon HP calculations, my A6 is about 263)

S4's and A6's are not geared for optimal standing start acceleration, they just happen to be pretty quick in the 1/4 mile. Due to a torque "plateau" (max torque from 1800-4500rpm) they can boogie very well in a short sprint. In my A6 6spd (if your friends is a 6 spd the same would apply) the fun really begins in 3rd gear. The top 3 gears are spaced rather closely, so once on a roll, the car will accelerate harder that many cars with higher HP numbers.
There was a fellow with a 6spd A6 with a chip and full exhaust (stock turbos) who could run neck and neck with an M5 on the interstate from low speeds up until about 120, when the M5 will start to leave him. This same fellow just upgraded his turbo's so he should be north of 400hp now.

breaux124

iTrader: (1)

Here's a really Fast S4 for sale, Zerin's S4 with KO4 Turbos + other goodies.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1827475589

dwapenyi

iTrader: (3)

OK Awesome car. But what the hell is that DVD screen doing in the trunk!

DW

Gary95

I'll bet they have the reserve at something like $55k. Even with 60k on the odometer, it's such a unique car I wouldn't be surprised if they get someone to leap over the reserve. 15 bids already.

csnow

"Amazing why cant we get a chip that can bring us up to 240HP like that."

and you've been a memeber here for how long?

JAY25

iTrader: (38)

That is a lot to spend on a car, so you got a good point

avalon42

iTrader: (2)

Here here. I say bring me a AWD+turbo Nissan, say the VQ35DET or even TT, and it would whoop that Audi S4 a$$ hands down.

$55K (Audi) vs. ~$30 (Maxima-when new)? C'mon, that's a lot more jing. Give me an extra $25K in my Max and I guarantee I will smoke that Audi.

hakk97se

Sticker on a new S4, loaded with options, is less than $45k tho. The chip will run you a few hundred more.

RastaManMax

iTrader: (5)

Wow, i wonder what that guy's running to run with that 400HP BEAST... I saw one of those once, 'cruising' at what must be 170km/h on the way home from NY! I might be able to beat one, if only his car was parked

deezo

iTrader: (3)

Don't feel bad. You win some and you'll lose some. I got my a$$ kicked by an A8 and I knew it had 300HP waiting. It was terrible.

Big_Ham

iTrader: (1)

I have two words,
You're Nuts.

That car will spank a modded N/A Max in the 1/4 EVERY TIME. And yes, even stock.

hakk97se

Bullsh!t. My friend used to run 14.5's in her S4 with a chip cause she was a lousy driver. I understand that more experienced drivers still run 13.5's in a stock S4. Infact, here is a direct quote from Edmunds:

"On the drag strip, the unfailing grip of the all-wheel-drive system made for awkward launches, but we managed a respectable 6.0-second zero-to-60 time and crossed the quarter-mile timers in 14.55 seconds. Not quite M3 numbers, but considering the added weight of the Quattro system, we didn't expect the S4 to outrun its lighter competitor."

I consider both sources authorities on the subject. Considering that, there are N/A Max's that could easily make those numbers, and at least keep up with the S4.

Big_Ham

iTrader: (1)

Once again, someone is comparing magazine times for one car to "best of" times with their cars or the cars of others'. This has been discussed before, but in case you missed it, we talked about how the drivers in these tests are, in fact, excellent drivers. However, the person who drives the car everyday and is a good driver to begin with will produce better numbers than ANY magazine. So here's your comparison:
Car 1: N/A fully modded Max driven by Joe Blow who has had an affinity for cars since birth and has had his maxima for 4 years.
Car 2: Stock Audi S4 driven by a good driver who has been officially in it for approximately 1-6 hours tops.

Basically your argument is valid if you take the worst S4 driver and pit him against the best modded N/A Max driver. Not too fair to say ...

gtr_rider

iTrader: (50)

I can take it...

hakk97se

I am fully aware of the pitfalls of magazine numbers and driver skill, which is why I included the real track numbers from enthusiasts. A 13.5 is a good run for a stock S4 with a skilled driver. I included that. I also never claimed that said modded N/A max would beat or even tie with a stock S4, but rather that it would be close. Just like the countless other discussions about "who would win," on this forum, with this combination of cars, it would come down to driver skill.

I'm not arguing with you anymore. I don't like flame bait.

Big_Ham

iTrader: (1)

Firstly, there is no flame bait here. This is a conversation between two level headed human beings about cars. We're not Honduh kids, we can handle this.
Secondly, I was under the assumption that this argument, up until now, has been an "all things being equal" argument. You negated that by saying "with this combination of cars, it would come down to driver skill." In which case we can bring up agian, that you think that if the right combination of drivers appeared that a modded Max would be able to keep up with an S4.
Now, I don't know where you found this chick who with a chipped S4 (what chip?) ran a 14.5, but that is about the rarest case of a poor racing driver that I've ever heard. Those numbers from Edmunds for a stock S4 should be the highest numbers an S4 owner should get considering they drive the car every day.
Basically, I guess you are right, it is possible that a modded Max could keep up with an S4, but I say your chances are about 1 in a million. One would have to have every N/A engine mod available for the Max and be an excellent driver to even have a chance against the worst S4 driver. Even then, at highway speeds, we wouldn't have a chance with those turbos already spooled up.
All that said, the Maxima SHOULDN'T beat an S4, it's an unfair matchup. Give us a bi-turbo system for the VQ and we'd be zoomin past those Audi's, even modded IMHO. However, the odds of that happenning are about as good as the odds of us with our N/A cars beating an S4 off the line.
And by the way, did Edmunds test an auto or 6sp S4?