and keep it sounding stock? i know many of you like more aggressive sound, but i dont want to draw that much attention to my car.

 

What would be the purpose of having a catback exhaust? They have minimal HP gains, low end TQ loss, not really worth it except to have an aggresive sounding exhaust and a lighter wallet. Get a B-pipe from Warpspeed and put that on, you can get it w/ or w/o resonator and will still have factory muffler. Only cost about 100 bucks compared to 500-600 bucks.

 

i was under the impression that to fully utilize the gains of a ypipe that i need a fullcatback?

this isnt true???

 

Uh I don't know where you've been getting your information, but its not correct! Minimal HP gain? I don't think so! I would say that putting the HKS ignition upgrade on your car would give you minimal gains! Look at all the dynos guy. In fact, go look at SCC's dyno of their project Maxima that came out in 2000. Catbacks and Y's give you the most hp as far as simple bolt ons go. The factory muffler gets overloaded by just removing the resonator, so I don't see how putting a bigger b pipe on would help you any. The stock muffler would still be your limiting factor. BTW, according to the butt dyno I haven't loss a drop of low end TQ (in fact I have gained TQ) and have gained top end accel, plus hp.

 

from what I heard....u can keep ur stock cat back and just a ypipe and a good intake will get you up to 15hp to the wheel....(heard some ppl dynoed 20hp gain). a lot of people here are using stock catback with aftermarket ypipe.


ypipe - my next toy after smog check in the end of this year.

 

btw, I just recalled this...back to import tuner Oct '01....they tested a 5spd 2k max with HKS muffler, dynoed it at 192hp...with a K&N drop-in....dynoed to 196.....

without the HKS....I doubt it will kick up that much just with a drop-in.

 

Yes! Oh yeah that was the ZEX maxima. Good find I totally forgot about that test. SCC's one was STe maxima

 

okay, now that we have that cleared up.

back to my question.

i'm thinking it's not possible?

bigger exhaust = bigger sound

no simple way "around" this?

by simple i mean... affordable and within reason.

 

And on that point I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree, CIRCO. Yes, you'll lose perhaps 2 to 3 hp keeping the OEM muffler. But what you'll get back is a relatively quiet exhaust even with 2.5" piping and a Y-pipe.

The choice for me was running a straight-through muffler OR installing a Y-pipe. The two of them together were just TOO FREAKING LOUD for my taste. I opted for a Cattman Y-pipe and my OEM muffler rather than my OEM Y-pipe and an aftermarket muffler. From the standpoint of performance, I'm certain you'd agree I made the best decision under the circumstances.

 

Sorry got off track there. To answer your question, no you cannot have a soft exhaust if you think stock is loud. Changing anything in the exhaust area will make your car louder. It all depends on your tolerance of loud. To me my car with just the Y and stock exhuast was still soft. Now with Y and exhuast its very loud but in a good way. My suggestion is to keep stock exhuast and change Y. See how loud that is before you put an exhaust on! But to realize the full potential of the Y you would have to change exhausts. The quietest exhaust out there is the greddy evo. Plus, it is very thin piping so weight reduction is alway a plus.

 

You can do pretty much whatever you want to do with your exhaust and if you keep your stock rear section, the sound won't be that noticeable. That's the simplest and most affordable way to accomplish what you're after. But don't expect much in the way of performance gains. To achieve any significant gains, you have to install a Y-pipe.

 

Yes I agree with you y2kse you made the right decision, but it seems you are agreeing with me also.

 

That's true, CIRCO. The muffler is the limiting factor and you can do something about it if you're prepared to live with a lot more exhaust noise. Of course if noise is not an issue, you could remove the muffler altogether. I'm aware of at least one person here who did precisely that!

 

Let me tell you I am almost there! Its so loud already why not! BTW I think hayames are like the loudest exhuasts out there.

 

don't fret boys, the ypipe is a given. i'll be purchasing one by the time summer is out.

thanks for answering my question.

 

But if you really want some HP (edit: not hp, its just weight reduction by reducing rotational mass) without boost or nitrious try changing out your flywheel.

 

I would want something quiet too....so I can enjoy my drug music.

 

Don't most exhausts have a silencer available? It's a cap that you attach to the end of the muffler tip and it's supposed to quiet it down. Not sure how restrictive it is to exhaust flow, but it's supposed to make it a lot quieter.

 

word. that's a bit costly though isnt it... im trying to sustain my social life too.

im also saving up for the bose lifestyle 50 home theatre. its like 3k!!!



hahaha...

 

Nah only like 4-5bills plus installation and clutch. Nothing close to the cost of a SC.

My question is why the lifestyle? Its definately not worth the money guy! I'll put money down that says my Yamaha receiver/amp with the Energy TAKE 5 plus a sub will take the bose any day. Plus I have the option of running DTS or Dolby Digital. Where as the bose only runs dolby digital.

 

why? bc it looks sweet as fukk.

hahaha i know stupid reason.



and oh, are you talking about the stillens flywheels? is there anything i should be concerned about this mod? i havent done any research on it yet...

 

Check out the TAKE 5 its even sweeter! I think its called take 6 now. I am totally serious you are only paying for the name for bose. Next time you are at the grocery store pick up a sound and vision mag and read up. Its up to you.

No actually i was talking about the Unorthodox flywheel. I'll give you a full update in a month because my installer is on vacation so I can't get the flywheel in. Research is so limited on this but you can be concerned about a quicker reving engine, and a faster max!

 

i'll check it out tonight, dood.

and looking forward to your critique of the flywheel mod.

 

Ok, but i totally forgot you are running a 2k2 right? Is your flywheel out yet?

 

nahhhhhhh, im 2000 SE.

btw, im reading about the take 5 now... HOLYYYYYYYY @#$@#$!!! nice. the reviews have me convinced. nearly 98% consumers are satisfied and they ADORE the system. are you sure theres a take 6 out yet? because my searches have been coming up empty for them. do you have the take 5's? what receiver are you using?

 

You see! I don't talk $hit man! Energy is based out of Canada and they have won awards for their Take 5 system. I have the Yamaha RX-V2200 (100watts RMS per channel) and am running the Matching Energy 10" powered sub I forget the model number.

 

Most people that buy bose simply think they are getting the best. Those of us who actually know home theatre, know that you can get a much better system for the price.

 

Which Y pipe is the best? Prices?

 

but you see, the bose lifestylels come with it all. the ability to listen to cd's, watch dvd's, etc. in a tiny, stylish unit! PLUS the kicka$$ sound it gives from an array of small tiny cube speakers and a relatively small sub. it's amazing! it's digital too.

if i take CIRCO's advice and buy the energy take 5 home theater, it's only the speakers. now i have to shell out even more cash for a dvd player, cd player, etc. that came included with the bose! buying all of the component's could become quite costly... especially because i dig the fancy ones; i'm vain like that.

 

From all the exhaust Ive seen and heard. I think you would be happy with the Cattman. If they have worked out their fittment issues, it is a quiet exhaust compared to most others, and its S/S .... Looks stock too.

 

It's small and looks stylish, but I have to disagree on the sound. For that kind of money you can get MUCH improved sound and I'm not talking about the take 5 system. The Bose subwoofers try to fill too much of the listening band frequencies rather than just being a sub. Sound is also subjective as is anything visual, so to each his own definately applies here. I like my max, others don't

 

I am going to have to agree with you Virus, there are a ton of different systems that would sound way better than the bose. Another tip for lcf is that the bose is like 3k or more. The take 5 with sub shouldn't be more than 1,500. Receiver would be like 1K and a progressive scan DVD player would still be under 3K.

 

i agree. that's why im taking your advice (and the awesome product reviews by hundreds of people on audioreview.com) and buy the take 5.2's.

i've already found a authorized energy dealer around town and im planning on paying them a visit to compare prices to what i see on ebay. but even so, i still maintain that the bose system just kicks a$$ and for the average person it is more than sufficient; all your needs in one. i have a thing where i always try to buy the "best" or what "seems" to be the best. it's going to be the end of me someday, heh. either way, since i'm going to get the take 5.2, NOW i have to look for a receiver with a remote as cool as the lifestyle 50's remote!



CIRCO -- how much is the avg install for the flywheels?

 

lcf the average install for flywheel and clutch was about 468 from a nissan dealer. Mind you thats here in Hawaii and their prices might be a little higher.

As for the bose being a compact great home theater system...uh maybe to the average joe. But think about this, there are no upgrades to the bose. If you want to go louder or add on features its not possible. Plus you will never find a bose system being THX certified.

 

Yea, I'm real happy with my cattman exhaust and y. Worth it for sound and power.